i see/hear/feel "paranormal" stuff and i used to believe in the paranormal. which is why i joined the forum at ghosts.org. anyone interested in the paranormal should check it out. now i believe that i have a more than slightly perturbed mind.
i see/hear/feel "paranormal" stuff and i used to believe in the paranormal. which is why i joined the forum at ghosts.org. anyone interested in the paranormal should check it out. now i believe that i have a more than slightly perturbed mind.
Why? Because someone else told you that you were being delusional? I have seen very little in the way of evidence that I find convincing, and many things that I don't believe to be faked, could have been, if one knew how. Now comes a good question. The people out there that claim that personal experiences are not to be taken as evidence are the same ones that would sit on a jury and sentence a criminal to death based on eyewitness testimony, which they would call "rock solid evidence." Is this a double-standard or what? :rolleyes: If it fits what they want to prove, yes, eyewitness account is perfect evidence. If it fits something they deny existence, "Oh, the mind plays tricks, and one is so easily fooled in to thinking one saw this or that but when examined by a rational mind (skeptic), it falls apart easily. Yas, you see what you want, don't you? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by blacksheep
I am a scientist who considers all hypotheses untrue unless they are overcome by consistent experimental evidence to the contrary. "Ghosts exist" is an hypothesis that has been tested many times with results that do not allow, using the rules of science, a rejection of the null hypothesis, i.e., that ghosts no not exist. Antecdotal evidence from personal experience notoriously is unreliable.
As a person whom believes through personal experience I can tell you that somethings you just cannot prove through science. I do however believe that people whom are skeptic need to express their opinions to help balance out the issues of life. I cannot explain how I knew certian things without having the schooling to back it up. I can sense cancer and serious illness within people when there is now logical way I should be able to. What happens when we do not yet have the science to back up what we know to be true when a doctor confirms what you already knew without any medical knowledge?
Again, I have to point out that you cannot 'prove' anything in science. Proofs happen in logic and math. What you do in science is develop a theory that explains all the available evidence.
pendragon, i hope i don't see what I want to see. I think that I think I'm insane because insanity runs in my family. my mother saw ghosts of her mother. my grandma has sleepwalked to cemetaries and was caught digging at a random grave while she was asleep. she was diagnosed with schizophrenia and other random diseases and was put into an asylum. when she was released, she commited suicide for unknown reasons. my mom... well, she's crazy. I hope I'm not crazy but the appearances of paranormal activity seem to fit precisely into my mood and embarrasingly, my period cycles. I have never seen anything completely solid. I've hear mostly whispers or voices that are indistinguishable. and lots of music. Whenever I do see anything, it's in the dark.
well, at least that means i havent gotten to be as insane as my grandma who saw stuff everywhere...
(don't tell me to go see a psychologist)
Since you asked me not to, I won't ask you to go. But consider this. If you are aware that an predisposure to this type of illness runs in your family, and there has already been one suicide, don't you think that you might need to get some help? I know that having to admit to a problem is hard, I have bi-polar with severe complications that make me unemployable, so I'm classified as disabled. I must take more than 14 pills daily (after my latest increase in medication, about a week ago.) I have an IQ of 140. I am shunned by many, that's true. Their loss, not mine. All I will ask is don't let this thing go so far that it destroys you because you fear getting help. If I can talk to you and help in any way here's my e-mail [email protected] Just mention blacksheep in the "about" line. Otherwise my e-mail filter might toss it. I'll be praying for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by blacksheep
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Originally Posted by Pendragon
Didn't take very long to prove that statement at all. The Dragon rests the case. Let our scientist sit on a jury, and eyewitness testimony be all the evidence they have to present, and then see if it becomes "Notoriously Unreliable."Quote:
Originally Posted by statman
When there is a scientific test that can prove I knew before a doctor even saw my Sister what medical condition she had. I have no way of knowing about such things since I never studied medicine. You only have my word and I know today one's word is not worth anything but that is all I can give.Quote:
Originally Posted by cuppajoe_9
I'm open on the subject, but very skeptical. Too many people have faked and such in the past for it to be wise to blindly believe anything. However, to be utterly honest, if I could know for ceirtain there were Ghosts and such, I would rarther not know. I get scared worryingly easily by these things.
I voted yes because i have had a few paranormal experiences.
Throughout time, and from all corners of the world, all forms of religion have had one thing in common: a belief in a spiritual realm that cannot be discerned, measured, or explained by the physical or natural world. It doesn't matter if you consider aboriginal native beliefs, prehistory peoples, death rituals, the mythologies of the Greeks, Romans, Babylonians or Chinese, the leading religions of the world such as Buddaism, Hinduism, Islam, Christianity, or the emerging religions of the future such as Scientology or what I sometimes refer to as "Starwarism" (as in "Use the force, Luke!").
How can so many people and cultures, some of them completely isolated from the others, in time, in geography, and in philosophy, all have the same idea that there is "another world out there" which has no physical properties, but rather, contains the essence or spirit of everything, and that this spiritual realm can interact with the physical realm, even though the physical realm cannot interact with the spiritual realm?
With our western devotion to science, we call this imaginary spiritual realm "the paranormal" because we cannot interact with it, sense it, or measure it in any meaningful, scientific way. Ah, but by that definition, our very thoughts must also be called "the paralogical" because there is no scientific way to measure, observe or prove thoughts, either. Therefore, I call arguments both pro and con about the existance of ghosts, spirits, the paranormal and the unexplained, "Paralogical discussions."
There is far too much diversity in the physical realm -- from the expanding universe to elemental atoms with specific properties that, when combined with other elemental atoms into molecules, exhibit completely unrelated properties, to the origins of life, to the definition of life, to the duration of life, to relativity to special relativity, to the very real probability that there are many more (perhaps endlessly more) dimensions than the four we can observe -- to dismiss the idea that a spiritual realm might also exist.
So, do I believe in ghosts? No.
Do I believe in what ghosts are about? Yes.
I believe that hautings and such things are rediculous, and created to bring tourists. But to an extent I do believe in the paranormal. Most people at my church see believing in the paranormal as ungodly, but Jesus cast out demons and such didn't he? I believe that could be classified as supernatural.
I'm not sure what I believe, and I doubt I will ever need to decide. As long as tennis balls dont start following me around I think indecision is fine ^_^
I am, as always, open-minded.
If you are a person that reads and places value in Holy Scripture, there is account given of spiritual beings existing. Some of them have been referred to as "Demons"; e.g., the third of the angels that joined Satan, Adam and Eve in the rebellion against God.
The term "ghost" is, I believe, an older word meaning a "spirit".
As for the paranormal, there is a large body of literature and much research being done in this area, like parapsychology. There is also testimony to the affects/effects of unseen forces operating about us. We cannot see some of the electromagnetic spectrum with our eyes, but with certain instruments we can. Also, we can sense/feel this radiation (and other forces) at times as many persons have testified.
ok,i know this sounds a little bit crazy,but i have nightmares about ghosts and zombies and vampires and,etc.and i think they are real!!!
Take a look..
(these things are from my computer,but my sister got them from the internet .if i found out wich site it is I'll give it to you).
Mm, I didn't look, but what's wrong with that? If you don't have something big in your life going on or changing, then you don't have to worry about them. It's more important what is going in your waking life. Your dreams should fade away, I should think. - er, I know that that sounds bad, but you know what I mean. I don't mean dreams as in aspirations, but tell me, are your nightmares a problem? I have nightmares occasionally but seldom. I don't think there's any problem.
Or do you mean when you wake up you think that you have actually been visited by ghosts and zombies?
I'm sure I've had zombie dreams, hell I've watched 28 days later enough times for that. Lately I haven't really been remembering my dreams.