Do Not Swear

I do not want swearing in this forum.

No fake swearing, no trying to get around the word filters. Unless you want to be punished or banned. I want this forum to be appropriate for all ages, I don't want this forum to be blocked by filtering software at schools or wherever.

If you want to get a point across that requires you to swear, swear normally. It will be blocked by the word filters. However, like TV bleeps, everyone will know what you mean. Except for the little innocent kids.

I hate you ****ing *******.

You know what I said don't you? If you don't know exactly what I said you get the general drift right? See, so why do you need to trick the word filters?

Don't do it.

Its about time. Only the weak minded need to swear to get their point across.

In my opinion, swearing applies acceptably in colloquail discourse and the "f" word has a certain force that sometimes gets a point across casually or humourously. Only in arguments is swearing a sign of lack of education or thinking. It's an old rule anyway - once you've begun swearing you've lost the argument.

I have no problem with swearing, hell, I do it myself all day (but recently I've been trying to cut it down). It's not my site, not my rules, but I'd say to those who find swearing so gut-wrenching and upsetting to read need to tolerate what are really only four letter variations of an alphabet that ultimately is to be used at one's own desire or need. If that need is so rough and stupid, then it is the "swearers" problem that they find trouble in articulating their own thoughts. I want to avoid being a preacher, but the standards of todays' media requires a lot of tolerance.

I agree with munro... I think swearing in this forum has gotten more noticeable and common since filters were put in. Though I suppose some things are pretty inappropriate.

I guess when you tell people not to do something, they do that thing more. To quote Oblex "These people are crazy"-tapping side of head-.

lol, I haven't read Asterix in aaaaaages.

Man I love those cartoons. They were sooo cool.

Did you read that one with Cleopatra?

There were more than one I think. Asterix & Cleopatra is probably the one you're referring to. I believe she appears on The Son of Asterix and one or two more. Great cartoons. I had the complete collection at one time...

I think I swore once, sorry if I did. But I agree with the no swearing, but the F word does cary force that no other word can match. And it can make or break a joke. Its a risky word to use, so I generally stay away from it unless I am really angry.

I'm pretty sure you can swear, as long as it's not gratuitous, and you respect the sovereignty of the asterisks. The point of this alert thread was after Abdo was banned, I think (right?), just to remind everyone else that you aren't allowed to fool the censor function by putting a space in the middle of a swear word so it gets through, or use numbers instead of letters... stuff like that.

So is that who you think I am? Abdo?

I had begun to suspect, but I've changed my mind. No, you're you. :D

Well thank you. I like being me, so ****ing **** off you ****ing ****.

Just kidding. I guess that is what emily655321 meant when she said "brass and confrontational" in regards to me...

Can we say **** or ***? What about **** or **** or cooter?

One of my words made it thru, so I asterisked it. Cooter is from TeleTubbies by the way.

Man you have too much time.;)

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Originally Posted by crisaor

There were more than one I think. Asterix & Cleopatra is probably the one you're referring to. I believe she appears on The Son of Asterix and one or two more. Great cartoons. I had the complete collection at one time...

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You had the complete collection??? *drooling*

To those who think that swearing is just part of the alphabet or another form of normal expression. I ask you these questions: Do you swear at your boss, clients or children when you want to "effectively" get your point across? If not, then you need to apply the same reasons why when "expressing" yourself here.

Also when being politely asked not to(whether in a forum or in social situations, it is appropriate manners to politely say ok.

It means you should want someone to "think" that you are dumb knowing in your own mind that you aren't, rather than to say something (like you have) and let them know that in fact you are really dumb. "Let them think what they want, for I know the truth."

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Originally Posted by fayefaye

You had the complete collection??? *drooling*

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Yeah. I lost a few ones (the last ones published, the last ones I bought). And then I loaned two which weren't returned to this day. Still, it's a pretty decent collection. ;)

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Originally Posted by shell

To those who think that swearing is just part of the alphabet or another form of normal expression. I ask you these questions: Do you swear at your boss, clients or children when you want to "effectively" get your point across? If not, then you need to apply the same reasons why when "expressing" yourself here.

Also when being politely asked not to(whether in a forum or in social situations, it is appropriate manners to politely say ok.

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I swore at my pc, many times..i swore at strangers who intentionally smoke in public places..obviously i can't get my point accros to these two "brainless" things

LOL @ sub.

Sometimes swearing can be appropriate... I wouldnt want a world where all is only politeness all the time... Of course it's a matter of sensibility and probably cleverness to know when to use the right way of expression...

well ,i rarly swear once i say the truth but no one believe me

Greetings from a new person. It is pleasant to find a forum where people can exchange ideas (in a polite way). I look forward to exploring the site and participating in book discussions!

Don't swear just find words that mean the same thing but in a nice way.

2004.09.26 19:30(gmt+2)

5 minutes ago I have posted a thread titled "Treatise on Life." One of the main characters is a talking goat. In order to emphasize the oddity of a talking goat I, in the stead of stating that the goat (called Judas) looked at me, opined that "The goat ****ed me a beamer."

Upon later perusion, I noticed that the word ****ed now reads ***ked, and I thus changed it to co*ked, which still appears somewhat odd! ( c o c k e d me a beamer = pertaining to see or look).

I do support the administrator wholeheartedly, and thank him for rooting out willful swearing. However, if the intent is for a character to act according to his person, is it not possible that special permission can be acquired in advance from the administrator?

Myself being the moderator of three other forums, I appreciate the difficulty of such, and want to assure the administrator that should he decide not to let my "Treatise on Life" stand, it will be accepted as necessary.

Furthermore, I have unfortunately only read this thread pertaining to swear words after I have posted "Treatise."

Appreciatively your's,
Prof.

2004.09.27 19:45(gmt+2)

Complimentary to my previous post, it must be added that an administrator or moderator is under exceptional pressure regarding the safeguard of the site's intent. If only all the visitors adhere to such (intent), it might well be possible for the moderators to allow swearing, which will, ipso facto always be in context.

Unfortunately it is often a case of contributors pushing their 'luck." Thus the administrator is forced to adapt measures which also penalise those whose intent is most noble.

Of course there is a need for people to blow off steam, to let go with an expletive or two. But for that there are specific sites, or forums. I myself moderate one titled 'Insultingly Your's," where you only get deleted for being too "nice," or for demeaning women. Accordingly one must accept that utilising a specific site, obliges one to adhere to the rules of such.

Prof.

My very rudimentary understanding of this issue is, there is code used to recognise selected words chosen by Admin that he wishes to not see used here. It's across the boards, can't be selective, by member, it's an all or nothing thing.

I know a few get frustrated by this code when a selected words contains one of these words, or, is used in a seemingbly benign way, it still censors them. There's not much that can be done to get around this fact.

prof, admin is under pressure from no one but himself to disallow swearing. and though it may be in context, he prefers that it not appear here; we respect that, because this is, after all, a Wonderful site.

2004.09.28 17:30(gmt+2)

My dear Logos and Amuse,

Of course I abide wholeheartedly by your writs; even more decidedly so by the ever necessary rules, and specifically the intent of the Administrator. The latter being the most pertinent.

My "attitude" thus established, I, not for a moment, perceive that with the filtering of possible uncouth language do the Aministrator( whatever is his/ her name?) intent to stifle possible creativenes. Perusing said Administrator, and moderator's writs here, I am impressed with the helpful and friendly manner of such.

Which allows me to once more, in good faith, present an instance where the word filters might possibly be somewhat too effective. It, of course pertains to the male member of the fowl species (the opposite of a hen). The **** crows us awake, can indicate a self-assured person(****y), pertains to readying a revolver(****), can be a manner of addressing someone ( "And why so glum this morning, old ****?"), be the name of an establishment ( The "**** and bull" pub), or be slang for a specific action ( He ****ed me a beamer).

Of course the word can equally be utilised to express a vulgarity.

The conundrum now being that an instance may arise where the use of the c-word (either as part off, or on its own) is an integral part of a writ. However, the flow and intent of a paragraph may well be nullified by not allowing such.

Surely one would never, per example, have refused, say...Joseph Wambaugh, should he have wished to announce his novel "Black Marble" here? In it he introduces one to a cop whom would shame a pig! What a likeable character! Said cop is so disgusting that one can not wait for him to shock you once more. But estremely humane he is too.

The question thus being: Is there not even a remote possibility to accomodate members whose intent is above board? For instance, can the poster not submit his/her writ in advance to a moderator? It need not be the complete writ, only the paragraph or two which is contentious.

My experience is that sooner than later the authorities know eactly whom to accord pro forma permission. Please be assured that my intent is not to repeatedly flog a dead horse, and I shall willingly abide by whatever is decided.

Lastly, I must esxpress my sincerest appreciation for the privilege of being allowed to utilise such a meaningful site.

Prof.

it is probably my fault that the male rooster/overly egotistical person isn't allowed to be expressed as a four letter word. mea culpa...i seem to say this every month i think. i was vulgar at one point; vane had been misspelled as vein - (my mind went to weather vanes, otherwise known as, well) and i wrote the said word in a rather cheeky reply. and from the next day on, it was banned.

oof...and poof.
again, my apologies.

Hmmm.....me thinks that Joseph Wampaugh surely can and may express himself with as many vulgarities as he pleases. After all, he is not exactly churning out quality literature, but escape fiction. But this website strives for a little more quality, a little more verve than Joey aims for. Many users of this site are, or are being, well educated (not to mention fairly young) and need little use for substitutions where a more literate form of a word or expression may be used. Besides, anyone can utter curses, but it takes effort and ability to clearly communicate with the written word. Foul language only displays an inability to use a dictionary. I say save it for the street where it is more appreciated. And, yes, there is a time and place in literature where truth of reality may call for the use of colourful language. There is also a time and place for 'same' on the internet. This site is not one of them.

i can actually use a dictionary :p, and it was actually funny to reference "vein" (which was supposed to be "vane") in the manner i did. but that's old news.

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Originally Posted by Prof

The conundrum now being that an instance may arise where the use of the c-word (either as part off, or on its own) is an integral part of a writ. However, the flow and intent of a paragraph may well be nullified by not allowing such.

Prof.

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Oh yah baby, the 'C' word!!! Covetous cornucopia! Copulate!Courtesan!Court! Curry, Cusp and cushy!! Curious cutless culling cursed customs. Customary cuttlefish's cute cutaneous cyst!! Cordially corny correspondence. Counter-revolution. Cow, crap, courage and convictions. And one of my particular favorites, contumacious!! Convinced??

*bows to baddad

Thank you! I love your post!

2004.09.29 16:00(gmt+2)

My dear Baddad,
I most certainly appreciate, and equally laud your very considerate, thoroughly contemplated answer. However, it is preferable (and here I point the first finger at myself) that the utmost caution must be excercised not to let one's personal preferences interfere with one's sound judgement.

A tad of sarcasm often is not amiss either, but usually only serves to inflame an otherwise amicable "disagreement." Of course I can attempt to disprove your statement that "Foul language only displays an inability to use a dictionary," and substitute Wambaugh for Mailer, but such deviations will only serve to inflame an otherwise friendly discourse.

I have quite clearly, and repeatedly declared my unqualified support for the Administrator and moderators regarding the issue of uncouth language. However, I am sure that it is not deemed untoward to approach them regarding possible repercussions which might manifestate itself at a later stage. Surely we can accept that they welcome any approach regarding the site, provided such is performed in good faith, which is how I beg you to perceive my contribution.

Of course those of an impressible nature (children) must always be considered, but the "educated" visitors will appreciate that a character always acts or speaks within his or milieu. Besides, when telling fairy stories to the young ones, it is debateble whether or not it is to the child's advantage to end the story with "Then the prince married the princess, and they lived happily ever after." What about the reality of setbacks?

Equally so, is it kosher to present every character as a soft-speaking well behaved gentleman/lady?

Please do not conclude that I am an advocate of debauching literature, far from it. I only proposed that it might be possible for someone of noble intent to be penalised for the greater good, and whether it be possible for such to be circumvented by means of pre-emptive submission of contentious writs to a moderator?

Of course I respect your obvious determination in this regard, and should my enquiry be the cause of friction here, I would rather leave it be. Kindly accept that I am actually Afrikaans speaking, and might not always be able to express myself in such a manner as to compete with the very eloquent members here (like you!), which of course is no excuse.

Sincerely your's,
Prof.

Being speaker of 3 languages myself, I tend to think that languages - especially English language - are rich enough in their vocabularies to enable us to carry on valuable and colourful discourses without resorting to offensive and less favourable/desirable/crude selections available.

However, this merely being my own humble opinion on the issue, I hereby apologise to those who disagree or are offended by my statement.

Yours Faithfully,

Scheherazade

Ok, well, Prof, you have some interesting ideas, especially regarding the possibility to submit potential posts to a moderator like me, or to Admin

I don't know if he has time to deal with this, but I would be willing to discuss the idea with him if he thinks it's something he would like to see on his site.

You have to understand though, this issue of `censorship' or `dictatorship' as some have come to call it has come up many many times before on this forum. People have had entire posts and topics locked censored or deleted. Most of the members who have been here for a few months have seen some sort of debate/discussion go on about it.

There are still rules to adhere to, to maintain the integrity and `vision' of this site; that being online literature texts accessible to anyone, any age, any language or background. The forums here are a bonus, a place for discussion of said literature.

Mods and Admin do not always see each and every post made here, some things go under our moderation radar, which is a good reason why such selective `bleeping out' of words is done automatically.

The fact is, some words are not allowed here. That is a fact. However it does bring up this most subjective discussion and debate at times, sarcastic or not, where there are no definitive answers, everyone has an opinion about it, and while I'm happy to see discussion about it, and appreciate your input, it still may not change the facts.

There are also many free online blog hosting websites where you can post your unvarnished writing, maybe this is something for you to consider too? Then you could post about it and invite your own form of discussion there?