Hatuey ---- Another Innocent Victim of Christian Lunacy

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09-19-2016, 12:51 PM
Red Terror

Hatuey ---- Another Innocent Victim of Christian Lunacy

The great Indian leader of the Taino tribe resisted Spanish subjugation of Hispaniola and later Cuba. He fought as long as he could but he was captured and sentenced to death. At his execution the priests laid out the two alternatives he had before him: conversion to Christianity ( i.e. baptism) before execution and then celestial paradise or rejection of Christianity and hence eternal perdition in hell. Hatuey asked the priest where do the Spanish go when they die. The priest answered that if they are baptized the Spanish go to heaven. "Well do not baptize me," Hatuey remarked. "I prefer to go to hell."

Now today they make a harmless icon of this rebel --- putting his visage on beer bottles and other beverages. How many of those who drink these beverages know the story of Hatuey???

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatuey

http://www.historyofcuba.com/history/oriente/hatuey.htm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKZg_tSAMeE

http://www.underconsideration.com/br...tuey_extra.jpg

https://www.google.com/search?q=hatu...tXAJYQ_AUIBigB
09-19-2016, 02:20 PM
Clopin

hmm... really makes you think.
09-19-2016, 02:33 PM
YesNo

We are all destined to someone else's hell so I think Hatuey made the right choice.

However, don't forget the atheist's hell that they bring upon those they find expendable such as done by the Khmer Rouge. One good thing about the atheist hell is that it is only a temporary execution. Christians are more devilish in that their executions go on forever.

My problem, Red Terror, is that I don't find your religion (and I consider atheism to be a religion) to be a better alternative.
09-19-2016, 02:37 PM
Pompey Bum

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Originally Posted by Clopin

hmm... really makes you think.

My God, it does. And he doesn't even mention the Christian animal abuse.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tOvlKgoeP4s
09-19-2016, 04:55 PM
Red Terror

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Originally Posted by Pompey Bum

My God, it does. And he doesn't even mention the Christian animal abuse.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tOvlKgoeP4s

More reflections from the golden eye of your rump. Do you have any countervaling remarks to offer other than lick-spittle halitosis?
09-19-2016, 05:47 PM
Pompey Bum

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Originally Posted by Red Terror

More reflections from the golden eye of your rump. Do you have any countervaling remarks to offer other than lick-spittle halitosis?

No, you've convinced me. Those rotten Spaniards! And they must be just the same now, right? Knowing that, I am SO going to vote for Donald Trump. Thanks for the heads up, Red Terror. I must say, it's humbling to have to admit I've been so wrong about everything. But at least I've got the integrity to own up. Heh heh.

So were you already middle aged when you took your master's degree in Shakespeare?
09-20-2016, 10:27 AM
Red Terror

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Originally Posted by Pompey Bum

No, you've convinced me. Those rotten Spaniards! And they must be just the same now, right? Knowing that, I am SO going to vote for Donald Trump. Thanks for the heads up, Red Terror. I must say, it's humbling to have to admit I've been so wrong about everything. But at least I've got the integrity to own up. Heh heh.

So were you already middle aged when you took your master's degree in Shakespeare?

You should change your name to Casey's Top 40 because answering your troll-posts allows me to send my threads to the top of the list again. If you were smart you'd shut your lid ... But it appears that I'll be moving up a notch ... Thanks ... keep up the bad work ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casey_Kasem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgCBvIMWs7E
09-20-2016, 09:02 PM
YesNo

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Originally Posted by Red Terror

The great Indian leader of the Taino tribe resisted Spanish subjugation of Hispaniola and later Cuba. He fought as long as he could but he was captured and sentenced to death. At his execution the priests laid out the two alternatives he had before him: conversion to Christianity ( i.e. baptism) before execution and then celestial paradise or rejection of Christianity and hence eternal perdition in hell. Hatuey asked the priest where do the Spanish go when they die. The priest answered that if they are baptized the Spanish go to heaven. "Well do not baptize me," Hatuey remarked. "I prefer to go to hell."

This story reminded me of similar themes where heaven is rejected for more or less good reasons. You could call this theme rejecting someone else's heaven because you reject them.

Another theme is to reject heaven because it would be hell to go there. I remember hearing a story of a man and his dog who died and went to heaven. At the pearly gates there was a sign that said, "No Dogs Allowed". The gatekeeper said the man could go in and encouraged him to do so otherwise his opportunity to enter would be lost. He decided not to and went away with his dog. As he left the gatekeeper saw the dog transform into Krishna (you may substitute whichever diety you want). In rejecting heaven he gained heaven.

Another theme is to reject heaven because heaven is everywhere you make it. I remember hearing a story of a man who was good and should have gone to heaven but when he died he was sent to hell by mistake. He figured this was what he deserved and his spent his time in hell pleasantly. The other inhabitants were glad he was there. Eventually the error was discovered and angels went to the man apologizing saying that they made a mistake and he should go with them to heaven. The other inhabitants didn't want him to go but they encouraged him to do so for his own good. He decided to stay. He had made friends and heaven was everywhere.

And there is the theme that heaven is very boring and if you want to have any fun at all you should opt for hell.
09-21-2016, 12:46 PM
Red Terror

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Originally Posted by YesNo

This story reminded me of similar themes where heaven is rejected for more or less good reasons. You could call this theme rejecting someone else's heaven because you reject them.

Another theme is to reject heaven because it would be hell to go there. I remember hearing a story of a man and his dog who died and went to heaven. At the pearly gates there was a sign that said, "No Dogs Allowed". The gatekeeper said the man could go in and encouraged him to do so otherwise his opportunity to enter would be lost. He decided not to and went away with his dog. As he left the gatekeeper saw the dog transform into Krishna (you may substitute whichever diety you want). In rejecting heaven he gained heaven.

Another theme is to reject heaven because heaven is everywhere you make it. I remember hearing a story of a man who was good and should have gone to heaven but when he died he was sent to hell by mistake. He figured this was what he deserved and his spent his time in hell pleasantly. The other inhabitants were glad he was there. Eventually the error was discovered and angels went to the man apologizing saying that they made a mistake and he should go with them to heaven. The other inhabitants didn't want him to go but they encouraged him to do so for his own good. He decided to stay. He had made friends and heaven was everywhere.

And there is the theme that heaven is very boring and if you want to have any fun at all you should opt for hell.

Well, as Milton's Satan famously said, "better to reign in hell than serve in heaven."
09-21-2016, 09:54 PM
YesNo

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Originally Posted by Red Terror

Well, as Milton's Satan famously said, "better to reign in hell than serve in heaven."

That would be another theme.

I wonder if there are any others?