Spanish Catholic Church and Baby Trafficking

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rch-Spain.html

After an outraged spluttering about this terrible scandal in Spain, I began to wonder what motivations and justifications religious people could have in this case.



1. Was it fear of authority?

2. Was it the presumption and compliance of an authoritarian church with an authoritarian state.

3. Does belief inculcate a more passive attitude to the status quo?

4. Was it the moral high ground assumed over potentially subversive families?

5. Does having a fixed set of beliefs lead to an unquestioning attitude?

I think it is far more complex an answer than - these people are evil, though i consider their actions to be evil. What do you think?

I agree that it is quite complex to answer it. It is good that more activates done be “religious people” have been revealed. At the same time it is sad. There is a 4 part documentary movie that reveal another scandal.

Sex scandals is religion. “ In the Name of Ayatollah”, “Wall of Silence” “In the Name of Enlightenment”, “In the Name of Lord”
http://www.cogentbenger.com/docs/sexscandalsinreligion/

I think that the movie is still only available on Internet only in Canada.

http://www.earthbook.tv/religion/cha...ideos/150/668/

They probably felt at the time that they were doing good, perhaps protecting the child in some way. I don't know enough about it to guess what that might be.

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Originally Posted by Paulclem

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rch-Spain.html

After an outraged spluttering about this terrible scandal in Spain, I began to wonder what motivations and justifications religious people could have in this case.



1. Was it fear of authority?

2. Was it the presumption and compliance of an authoritarian church with an authoritarian state.

3. Does belief inculcate a more passive attitude to the status quo?

4. Was it the moral high ground assumed over potentially subversive families?

5. Does having a fixed set of beliefs lead to an unquestioning attitude?

I think it is far more complex an answer than - these people are evil, though i consider their actions to be evil. What do you think?

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I don't consider evil. The 21st century is beyond that in the sense of a state doing it to the world. But I can gurantee you that if these decadents tried to do what they did in WWII, with Mussolini, Hitler and Franco, we most likely will finish by establishing a McDonald's in the Sixtine Chapel. As it is today, we are already singing to them "animal crackers in my soup..." and watching them closely.

The Catholic Church did a similar thing with illegitimate children in Quebec during the 50s and 60s, the conservative Union Nationale, with its close ties to the Catholic Church here, shifted health care cost for orphanages onto the federal government by declaring illegitimate children mentally ill and forcing them into psychiatric hospitals. Some of them may have been used for medical experiments.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duplessis_Orphans

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Originally Posted by OrphanPip

The Catholic Church did a similar thing with illegitimate children in Quebec during the 50s and 60s, the conservative Union Nationale, with its close ties to the Catholic Church here, shifted health care cost for orphanages onto the federal government by declaring illegitimate children mentally ill and forcing them into psychiatric hospitals. Some of them may have been used for medical experiments.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duplessis_Orphans

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That is appalling. I'm Canadian and I can't believe I've never heard of this before. And hasn't the Catholic Church long been an extremely wealthy institution?

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Originally Posted by OrphanPip

The Catholic Church did a similar thing with illegitimate children in Quebec during the 50s and 60s, the conservative Union Nationale, with its close ties to the Catholic Church here, shifted health care cost for orphanages onto the federal government by declaring illegitimate children mentally ill and forcing them into psychiatric hospitals. Some of them may have been used for medical experiments.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duplessis_Orphans

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The Catholic church was heavily involved in the dictatorship of Videla in Argentina. Mainly but not only, they provided confessional information to the government, and are fundamentally responsible for the assasination and disappearance of 30,000 dissenters.
Regarding the war over the Beagle Channel between Argentina and Chile, the conflict was stopped inside The Vatican thorugh strictly religious negotiations, although it is crearly stated in the constitution of both countries that there is total separation of church and state.
People should dig into the doings of National Catholicism in alianza with The Vatican and the National Socialism of Germany during the times of the Spanish Civil War and Generalissimo Franco. The bombing of Madrid and Guernica (which Picasso depicted in his notable work of art) was done by German airforce exclusively.
These are just a few examples of the piles there are to dig into.
Check this other one:
http://www.actuallynotes.net/Hitler-...ole-Story.html

This other one reflects alliance between Italy, Germany and Spain. The Vatican was heavily involved with Mussolini, but in order to protect themselves from possible worst outcomes, The Vatican would be made independent from Mussolini's "New Rome," as they all called it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing...tary_situation

World sure is a sick and twisted place. Thanks for providing the article, Paulclem, it gave me a lot to think about.

That tends to happen, don't know if it's because some of them believe they are so close to god that they have the right to choose for the others. -This past part I won't say the catholic church as institution but more for some of their members-.

I remember how my dad told us how my grandfather flew from Spain when Franco and was terrible what they used to say to us about that situation.

To commit really evil acts you do need religion or some similiar form of dogmatic inhuman ideology.

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Originally Posted by Theunderground

To commit really evil acts you do need religion or some similiar form of dogmatic inhuman ideology.

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I would edit that and call it "human ideology."

Semantics.

or was it because of the place they live in, which was Spain, famous for being extremely authoritarian? Also could be because they believe it was better for these kids under the condition they lived. Or maybe they just want to make money. Whatever it is we do not know why, but we do know that unless with evidence we can say the Catholic Church has nothing to do with this.