Mozart, 'Genius' and Exam Fakery (1770)

Irrefutable evidence of stage managed fakery in the musical exam taken by 14year old Wolfgang Mozart in 1770 at the time of applying for membership of the Music Academy of Bologna of Italy. (Details of which have often been ignored over the past 200 years in Mozart literature. The 14 year old boy was provided with a completed version of the exam paper and he simply copied it in his own hand before submitting it for approval). Brilliant modern musical research by L. Bianchini of Italy.

'The Two Antifonas'
Luca Bianchini (2011)

http://www.mediafire.com/?ra13vd5202p5lbz

Gilbert and Sullivan
'HMS Pinafore'
We Sail The Ocean Blue

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ezr5_...eature=related

And if true what does it matter?

The cause of art is of no concern except to pedants, why should the cause of genius matter?

The fact is he composed something at 5 years old, he went on to compose great symphonies etc

Vincent 'Old One Ear' Van Gogh copied the draughts of some of his best works from a beginner's drawing instruction guide

Does it matter?

Are all works composed as variations on a theme by this or that other composer to be considered invalid because the final composer hasn't arrived at the theme themself?

Should a work of art only ever be judged with allusion to every other thing in existence - or in isolation?

Why should anything be only this and or that, white or black?

If I buy a complete volume set of the works of Zola, and rather than stuff them into my bookshelf I discover they'd make a perfect footrest if stacked, does that relegate them to 'only' being a footrest, or give them additional value, or wholly new value?

'But you cannot use Zola as a footrest!' some may squeal, and I will growl back: 'Try and stop me!' or just: 'It makes more sense to use him as a footrest rather than consuming premium allotment of my precious bookshelf real estate - at least this way he serves a use...'


Shakespeare stole (okay Litprofs, 'borrowed') his plots - does that diminish his genius? Not a jot!

One of the problems of a formal education system is that it is a 'system' which depends upon a 'system', and the system is thence dependent upon the expectations of the deans and teachers

Ultimate qualifications and prerequisites of admission should likewise not be solely for the children of the wealthy to be squandered in the quest for a degree that inadequately describes the graduate only as 'a capable student' but not 'a potential candidate for greatness'

So if Mozart cheated on the ENTRANCE(!) exams (or was helped) - wasn't it for the benefit of sonorifiphiles that he was assisted in this endeavor, and therefore allowed to ultimately create the Jupiter Symphony - not even Beethoven managed a Jupiter Symphony! - or should he have ridden a bus with all the other passengers?

Why does it matter if a pilot has never flown an aircraft in his life and is about to take off with 200 passengers ? Why does it matter 'Mozart' never studied composition a day in his life (nor any academic subject) and that dozens, even hundreds of musical works attributed to him by 'experts' for over 200 years and performed, published and eulogised in his name are plainly proved to be faked, exaggerated and invented by the discoveries of honest men and women in our own time ? With virtually zero cross-examination until they did so ?

I suppose nothing matters in such a crazy universe. Reality doesn't matter, does it (?) except, of course, in the real world. In fact, I love and you also love being miseducated, lied to, and misinformed in the name of culture and education. Such things don't matter. Do they ? 200 years is not enough. We want more. We are queing up for more 'Amadeus'. Scam us and scam us some more. We LOVE pagan idols ! And any talk of us being 'dumbed down' is highly insulting.

Speaking of which, I can't wait to hear the latest news from the TV. It doesn't matter if it's real or not.

Those who say fakery and lies on a wholesale musical, cultural and educational scale do not matter should turn left at the next junction and rejoin the 'Mozart is a musical genius' show. Which is about to leave on a pilgrimage to Santa's Grotto. Sorry to disturb you. Refreshments will be served. And no, 'he' didn't compose masterpieces in his later life. Stay tuned. The same story continues. All the way through. That doesn't matter also. Have a coffee. And always remember that reality doesn't matter. The age of misinformation and strong delusion.

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Oh no not again...more Mozart hate. :shocked:

My point was that in the arts it doesn't really matter who created, why created, and when created - attribution and introductions and cataloguing are relatively modern concepts

Who was Homer? Who was Anonymous?

Just because some people want to slam the success of certain artists rather than admit that the world would be a considerably dryer place without them, and that they indeed had influence beyond their lifetimes, is no grounds (in Art) to condemn their achievements

It is a common tactic of the Devil's Advocate Brigade to draw attention to the genius of geniuses by at first deriding them, and then permit the viewer to discover the truth for themselves - and this is clearly what you're doing here


It has nothing to do with Aeronautics or well-trained pilots - Shakespeare didn't go to university and study Shakespeare, if he had he may well have failed (neat little story by Asimov around somewhere), and the process of creation for creation's sake is as valid reason to create something new as any other reason (fame, fortune, immortality, love, personal satisfaction etc)


Yours sincerely, MM

p.s. Did Shakespeare really write Francis Bacon's essays?

Thanks to 'Padre Martini'.....

'Mozart and his father visited Bologna twice (24. - 29.3.1770 and 20.7 - around 13.10.1770). During their first and second Italian journey, they were warmly welcomed in Villa Pallavicini* by the Count and his wife. They stayed for three months, soon finding acceptance among the Bolognese artists and scientists. Several musical activities developed. W.A. Mozart passed the difficult exam in the renowned Accademia Filarmonica and was accepted as a new member. Normally, for this honour, one had to be at least 20 years old and the test piece took a few hours. Thanks to Padre Martini, the academy made an exception for Wolfgang, however, who was only 14 year. The authentic sites of this procedure still exist, including the library in which Mozart's father Leopold had waited in during the examination of his son.'

http://www.mozartways.com/content.ph...yp2=16&lang=en

*Propably "Durazzo-Pallavicini" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villa_Durazzo-Pallavicini, http://www.sais.ceur.it/en/finding-a...61760&LN=en-US and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giacomo_Filippo_Durazzo

I tried downloading that pdf from the mediafire link, but there was a problem.

Be careful, everyone, pdf's can be doorways to malware. (Did anyone else try it?)

The original argument concerning the authenticity of works attributed to Mozart doesn't admit that a conservatorium education alone can't produce genius, but genius in Mozart's case was largely just clowning around in the realm that he understood just enough of, but not too much (and didn't take seriously)

This occurs throughout art history, where an artform produces a groundbreaking individual who tries new things and breaks accepted rules to further their self-expression

If the composers who had created the so-called false Mozart works had stepped forward to claim their prize, then to them the glory - but as they'd decided not to, then let the music speak for itself

It's not as though any of us are going to travel back in time and right the wrongs of history - there may well be falsely attributed works but their falsehood is irrelevant to the music at hand


Now having said that, my position is NOT that there are no false attributions, on the contrary - but personally I can't pick them and nor apparently can Mozart specialists

Is there a Kerschel questionmark folder? If so, I've not heard of it, but I'd think that someone must have compiled one by now

Is there an argument about what if Mozart had never been? There would either exist a vast void in musical history or all these other talented identities and hitherto nonentities may have risen to the surface and brandished their blue ribbons

So as any argument carried to the extreme will result in bickering over semantics the case may be made for 'the school of Mozart' - and who knows precisely what went on at the Accademia Filarmonica wiih someone like Mozart dancing about? It was probably some party!



Also, on the subject of mediafire by billl - someone told me that mediafire is THE malware site, and recommended firefox for downloads from it, and somethig called AdBlocker, and then separately scan any form of files you get from there

Musicology wrote-: "Speaking of which, I can't wait to hear the latest news from the TV. It doesn't matter if it's real or not."


Actually, the news is classified as an entertainment - not a necessity

Even though many articles may have a bearing on your well-being, it is overall still not 'necessary'

Figure that one


Next time you hear about a B52 on the moon just remember it really doesn't actually mean anything to anyone if it's not true

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More academic integrity. Read the article, and if you have anything to say of its contents, please tell us. That way we can all learn. Stop hating reality.

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Oh no not again...more Mozart hate. :shocked:

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If you wish to know the reality of Mozart's career, and wish to know what the actual evidence is, you should read the above article. And others like it. If not, you will consume more mythology, lies, and wholesale misinformation. Brought to you by 'experts' you have never once cross-examined. 200 years of fiction, in fact.

Do yourself a favour. Get a list of 'Mozart's' musical works (chronologically) and you might learn something. It's the pagan pantheon served up in the name of culture, education and history (so-called). And every body of academic study stands or falls by whether it can survive cross-examination. Right ?

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Originally Posted by MystyrMystyry

The original argument concerning the authenticity of works attributed to Mozart doesn't admit that a conservatorium education alone can't produce genius, but genius in Mozart's case was largely just clowning around in the realm that he understood just enough of, but not too much (and didn't take seriously)

This occurs throughout art history, where an artform produces a groundbreaking individual who tries new things and breaks accepted rules to further their self-expression

If the composers who had created the so-called false Mozart works had stepped forward to claim their prize, then to them the glory - but as they'd decided not to, then let the music speak for itself

It's not as though any of us are going to travel back in time and right the wrongs of history - there may well be falsely attributed works but their falsehood is irrelevant to the music at hand


Now having said that, my position is NOT that there are no false attributions, on the contrary - but personally I can't pick them and nor apparently can Mozart specialists

Is there a Kerschel questionmark folder? If so, I've not heard of it, but I'd think that someone must have compiled one by now

Is there an argument about what if Mozart had never been? There would either exist a vast void in musical history or all these other talented identities and hitherto nonentities may have risen to the surface and brandished their blue ribbons

So as any argument carried to the extreme with result in bickering over semantics the case may be made for 'the school of Mozart' - and who knows precisely what went on at the Accademia Filarmonica wiih someone like Mozart dancing about? It was probably some party!



Also, on the subject of mediafire by billl - someone told me that mediafire is THE malware site, and recommended firefox for downloads from it, and somethig called AdBlocker, and then separately scan any form of files you get from there

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Let the facts speak for themselves. That's all we require. Read the article and learn.

Am I going too fast ?

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Originally Posted by MystyrMystyry

My point was that in the arts it doesn't really matter who created, why created, and when created - attribution and introductions and cataloguing are relatively modern concepts

Who was Homer? Who was Anonymous?

Just because some people want to slam the success of certain artists rather than admit that the world would be a considerably dryer place without them, and that they indeed had influence beyond their lifetimes, is no grounds (in Art) to condemn their achievements

It is a common tactic of the Devil's Advocate Brigade to draw attention to the genius of geniuses by at first deriding them, and then permit the viewer to discover the truth for themselves - and this is clearly what you're doing here


It has nothing to do with Aeronautics or well-trained pilots - Shakespeare didn't go to university and study Shakespeare, if he had he may well have failed (neat little story by Asimov around somewhere), and the process of creation for creation's sake is as valid reason to create something new as any other reason (fame, fortune, immortality, love, personal satisfaction etc)


Yours sincerely, MM

p.s. Did Shakespeare really write Francis Bacon's essays?

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Hi there Bill,

The PDF is working fine. Please try again. If not send me a PM and I will happily email it to you.

Regards

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I tried downloading that pdf from the mediafire link, but there was a problem.

Be careful, everyone, pdf's can be doorways to malware. (Did anyone else try it?)

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Interesting article

So the anecdotal story of Leopold (little Armadeus stringing a string of notes on his hotel bedroom wall and upon analysis told him that it wasn't music, only to be countered by the bastard that if they were encased in staves and other notation they would be music) is apocryphal?

Mein Got! Fathers telling tall stories about their kids abilities! What to expect? They'll be making up fibs down the local pub next!


No, listen, you're quite right - it's outside my field, I read the article and it was the first such thing I've encountered on this debate

But people have been bull****ting (and being suckered) since before the beginning of recorded history (Goliath was only 4'7") - and you can't say that this is news to you - but all 'celebrities' up until the modern internet era were in fact so full of self-promotion, that in the case of Mozart it's minor

Here's this kid who's got a bit of something going on, so what does his genuinely proud father do? He capitalises on it, and Wolfgang learns early the ropes of stardom without fear or favour because it is thrust upon him

Personally, I've never been too bothered by the truth of what I'm told or read (I just doubt it until it can be proven true) - but I've been suckered more often than I care to admit, because if a story sounds true and to me is harmless I don't jump up and down about it


But you're right, Musicology: Is someone writing a corrective history of these biographical fabrications? They should because I for one would I'd like to read all the available information in one place

Hi there Yanni,

So glad you have read the most detailed study of the Bologna exam ever made. Things are looking up. I will pass on your compliments to others involved in that detailed research.

Honesty and Academic Integrity 1
The Mozart Industry 0

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Originally Posted by yanni

Thanks to 'Padre Martini'.....

'Mozart and his father visited Bologna twice (24. - 29.3.1770 and 20.7 - around 13.10.1770). During their first and second Italian journey, they were warmly welcomed in Villa Pallavicini* by the Count and his wife. They stayed for three months, soon finding acceptance among the Bolognese artists and scientists. Several musical activities developed. W.A. Mozart passed the difficult exam in the renowned Accademia Filarmonica and was accepted as a new member. Normally, for this honour, one had to be at least 20 years old and the test piece took a few hours. Thanks to Padre Martini, the academy made an exception for Wolfgang, however, who was only 14 year. The authentic sites of this procedure still exist, including the library in which Mozart's father Leopold had waited in during the examination of his son.'

http://www.mozartways.com/content.ph...yp2=16&lang=en

*Propably "Durazzo-Pallavicini" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villa_Durazzo-Pallavicini, http://www.sais.ceur.it/en/finding-a...61760&LN=en-US and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giacomo_Filippo_Durazzo

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I didn't!

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Originally Posted by Musicology

Hi there Yanni,

So glad you have read the most detailed study of the Bologna exam ever made. Things are looking up. I will pass on your compliments to others involved in that detailed research.

Honesty and Academic Integrity 1
The Mozart Industry 0

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Great Yanni ! If you have a problem opening the PDF just tell me. By PM. Would you like me to read it for you ? Is this your problem :angel:

Otherwise there is not much point in you posting here, is there ? Especially if you haven't read the subject matter of this thread.

Things really are improving ! The link to the detailed document is working fine.

'The Two Antifonas'
Luca Bianchini (2011)

http://www.mediafire.com/?ra13vd5202p5lbz

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I didn't!

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The idea of reading all the evidence in one place is the responsibility of honest researchers and writers to provide. There is so much of it that it takes (as you may appreciate) years of study, research and writing. From those who have actually examined the evidence in great detail. But here is one of the most clear and proved cases of major musical fraud you will ever see. Which has been systematically ignored, marginalised and hidden for over 200 years (as the article shows).

Multiply this by hundreds. How did this happen ? It happened because those who write and teach on this subject are not open to criticism, to cross-examination. So the bubble grows to enormous size and it finally takes over the entire history of music. It becomes 'history', and 'culture' and 'orthodoxy'. As a giant and deliberate act of deception. These events of 1770 are just one of a whole series of musical frauds. They are part of something massive. I think music teachers and students should be aware of them. To control music and cultural history is just another objective of those who wish to dominate education (so-called). And where are these 'experts' when you need them ? They are nowhere to be found. LOL ! Just a coincidence, of course.

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Originally Posted by MystyrMystyry

Interesting article

So the anecdotal story of Leopold (little Armadeus stringing a string of notes on his hotel bedroom wall and upon analysis told him that it wasn't music, only to be countered by the bastard that if they were encased in staves and other notation they would be music) is apocryphal?

Mein Got! Fathers telling tall stories about their kids abilities! What to expect? They'll be making up fibs down the local pub next!


No, listen, you're quite right - it's outside my field, I read the article and it was the first such thing I've encountered on this debate

But people have been bull****ting (and being suckered) since before the beginning of recorded history (Goliath was only 4'7") - and you can't say that this is news to you - but all 'celebrities' up until the modern internet era were in fact so full of self-promotion, that in the case of Mozart it's minor

Here's this kid who's got a bit of something going on, so what does his genuinely proud father do? He capitalises on it, and Wolfgang learns early the ropes of stardom without fear or favour because it is thrust upon him

Personally, I've never been too bothered by the truth of what I'm told or read (I just doubt it until it can be proven true) - but I've been suckered more often than I care to admit, because if a story sounds true and to me is harmless I don't jump up and down about it


But you're right, Musicology: Is someone writing a corrective history of these biographical fabrications? They should because I for one would I'd like to read all the available information in one place

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Mozart's "Koch" manufacture was more or less covered in http://www.online-literature.com/for...ad.php?t=46636, as you are aware Robert, and, if we are to document the fact further, focusing on the whereabouts of all parties involved in his 1770 Bologna music academy cheating is a must.

I intend to do just that by presenting a re timeline when I find the time.

For the moment think about "padre Martini" and "Durazzo-Pallavicini" of my previous and try to link them, if you can, to "Bach/Handel/Amyand-Saint Martin in the fields"*, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Martin-in-the-Fields, "John Taylor" and "Gerhard van Swieten" (from 'The puzzle of Bach Variations" herein, http://www.online-literature.com/for...ad.php?t=54106) and his son Gioachino Cocchi (plus aliases, Durazzo included).

Ta-ta!

*See also John Weldon, organist there as from 1714....and link him to: "Deceased on February 27th, buried on March 2nd, 1784 the so-called Comte de St. Germain and Weldon--further information not known--privately deposited in this church."

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Great Yanni ! If you have a problem opening the PDF just tell me. By PM. Would you like me to read it for you ? Is this your problem :angel:

Otherwise there is not much point in you posting here, is there ? Especially if you haven't read the subject matter of this thread.

....... As a giant and deliberate act of deception. These events of 1770 are just one of a whole series of musical frauds. They are part of something massive. I think music teachers and students should be aware of them. To control music and cultural history is just another objective of those who wish to dominate education (so-called). And where are these 'experts' when you need them ? They are nowhere to be found. LOL ! Just a coincidence, of course.

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Yanni,

So glad you have managed to read the article -

'The Two Antifonas'
Luca Bianchini (2011)

http://www.mediafire.com/?ra13vd5202p5lbz