Morally ambigious characters in 1984

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08-20-2008, 09:39 PM
TiGGeR LoVeR

Morally ambigious characters in 1984

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08-20-2008, 11:04 PM
The Atheist

While O'Brien is essential to the story, he only has a small part in it, mostly centred around Room 101.

Skim over the time Julia and Winston spend at O'Brien's house - that's where he convinces them to join the Brotherhood and where the moral ambiguity starts. He gets W&J to agree to kill, maim and torture for their own ends, while later on, O'Brien turns that back on Winston in Room 101.
08-21-2008, 12:33 PM
bazarov

Check thread Room 101 on the top of the page; it will be much clearer to you.
Shortly, he denies love for Julia and that's BB's win over him.
08-21-2008, 05:04 PM
TiGGeR LoVeR

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08-21-2008, 05:07 PM
TiGGeR LoVeR

re: my thread

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08-21-2008, 06:11 PM
The Atheist

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Originally Posted by TiGGeR LoVeR

so do you suggest i change my character for my topic??

Not at all - O'Brien's easy. His morality only extends to the needs of the Party; he has subjugated himself to nothing more than a piece of the Party machine itself.

Just compare his [lack of] morality to that of Winston, who believes that his morality is absolute until they strap on the rat cage.
08-21-2008, 06:36 PM
TiGGeR LoVeR

Im still a bit lost/confused

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08-21-2008, 06:52 PM
TiGGeR LoVeR

I need help/suggestions/ideas

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08-21-2008, 06:57 PM
The Atheist

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Originally Posted by TiGGeR LoVeR

I have in mind to discuss how winston is stuggling to free himself from the power of big brother & the party...is this a good idea??

If it seems a good idea to you, it probably is. The better you understand the subject, the better you'll write on it.

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Originally Posted by TiGGeR LoVeR

The thing is, even if i do switch topics i still have to get those 5 quotes from the novel to support my arguement

They're so easy, I'll spot you a couple. Your page numbers will be different.

Chapter 1, 6th paragraph: "Winston turned his back to the telescreen..." That's the first inkling that he's trying to reduce the power the Party has over him.

Chapter 1 again, towards the end: "DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER" Pretty self-explanatory.

Chapter 4, 8th paragraph: "But actually, he thought as he adjusted the Ministry of Plenty's figures..." Here, Winston is learning about the manipulation of facts to enhance/preserve power.

His relationship with Julia is another place to find plenty of good bits for that.

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Originally Posted by TiGGeR LoVeR

o yea and just to let you know i really do appreciate you helping me out with this. It means a lot to me.

You ain't seen the bill yet!

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