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Originally Posted by dark_182_88
I have come up with this conclusion. I know many of you might not accept it, I know it might very well not be right, but it's a pretty controversial thing, hear me out.
This is a free country. If we don't ask questions, we can never affirm our faith. God doesn't want you to just believe it because people tell you it is so; he encourages you to study and affirm it for yourself.
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God likes sin. God wants sin to happen.
I'd have to respectfully disagree with your hypothesis. God does not like sin nor does he want his creations to sin. The devil likes sin and wants sin to happen because it goes against God's wishes and causes discord among God's people.
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Earth, is not an ideal world. It can never be.
This would be a philosophical approach and I can't debate how you perceive the world my friend. I, in fact, do see the world as an ideal place because we all have the potential to not sin and live in complete harmony. If that potential did NOT exist, then I would agree with you in that we do not live in an ideal world because we could never achieve such an ideal; but, because the potential does exist, it is an ideal world, at least in my eyes. All we have to do is come to know God and obey his word and that ideal can be achieved. Without God, that ideal will not be achieved, but the potential still remains.
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If it was it would be paradise or heaven.
It is not now, but it has the potential to be. If we all obey God's two main commandments (love thy God with all thy heart and love thy brother like thy self), we could achieve that ideal. It's that simple.
In the end, the ideal will be achieved because God will render judgment and destroy all evil. It will be His Kingdom of Heaven on Earth.
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In the world, there are usualy 2 poles. Negative and positive. You can't have one without the other. For every action there's a reaction.
Absolutely.
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If we are not to sin, then the negative would disapear.
And, this is where the confusion becomes apparent.
IF we are not to sin, then SIN would disappear, but the POTENTIAL TO SIN will always remain because we are humans, and humans are fallible. Only through the obedience of God's word do we have the potential to negate that fallibility. Without him, we cannot.
In Biblical scripture, the POTENTIAL TO SIN is TEMPTATION and it will always remain, but God has given us the power to resist that TEMPTATION if you follow his advice. All His word is- is merely advice. Because we have free will, he cannot force us to do anything. Nor does he want to. He wants you to love him on your own accord.
Temptation = Potential to Sin
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If that happens, then we would not be living on the Earth.
If sin did not occur (we did not sin), we'd be living in peace on Earth- the ideal. However, the temptation, or potential to sin, would still remain.
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We would be living in paradise or heaven.
Without sin, yes, we would.
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If we are not to sin, then we would be living in an ideal world.
Correct.
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We would be living in a world full of postive things, which logicaly cannot exist.
Sure it can. If Jesus Christ could do it, so can we. The potential to sin will always remain until Jesus Christ the Savior returns to render judgment and take his followers to Heaven, and in the process, he will defeat all evil and dissolve all sin.
If we stopped sinning, there will still be a potential to sin, and that is what you must realize.
What is potential energy in physics? It is energy stored that may be converted into kinetic energy.
As an analogy,
TEMPTATION : POTENTIAL :: SIN : KINETIC
You also have the choice of believing in God, which is also potential.
CHOICE: POTENTIAL :: RESIST TEMPTATION (follow His word): KINETIC
Make sense?
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Therefore, God wants sin to happen. Because, if sin does not exist, then there is no life on Earth.
As above, God does not want sin to happen. God wants his children to follow his word so they can achieve the right to enter his kingdom and live in eternal bliss. If sin does not exist, we live in an ideal world in which LIFE THRIVES on Earth and we achieve happiness. Without sin, we achieve the ideal, but the potential of sin still and always will remain until the judgment time.
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Sin is needed so that we live in a balanced world.
No, balance is theoretically achieved by the potential for sin and the potential not to sin, or temptation and the ability to resist temptation.
Think of it like a hot stove. Getting burned by touching the stove is "sin". Your free will dictates that you will encounter "potential for sin". In other words, there is nothing stopping you from touching the stove and getting burned, or sinning. Right?
God says to obey his word lest you fall into sin. Your mother said do not touch the stove (resist temptation) or you could get burned (sin). When we do not resist temptation and touch the stove instead, we get burned once (sin), and hopefully we learn our lesson (and resist temptaton).
If you continue to sin, you risk the danger of being severely burned. God only hopes that you learn your lesson long before that. You see, for some people, it only takes one time to get burned and they never try it again. For other people, they continue to give in to temptation (disobey God and listen to the Devil) and they get severely burned (dangerous sin). Usually at this point, however unfortunate it may be to arrive at that juncture, people experience a life changing event that makes them come back to God.
Did you understand that? Have you ever heard of people who continue taking drugs in complete disobedience to God's word and finally they have an overdose and almost die? That is being "severely burned". That is usually where they make a conscious decision to either return to God or the Devil takes their life because they did not learn their lesson even after being "severely burned".
Sin exists to warn us of the inherent danger that awaits if we disobey God's word (or the warning of your mother to stay away from the stove). By refusing to listen to God, we get burned each and every time. Not by him, but by the Devil, because we did not heed God's warning the first time (after touching the stove, we continued to touch it).
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Sin is needed so that we can pass through God, to cast away our sins. Sin is evil, and it is condoned by God (logicaly), but in the meantime God cannot or does not exist if sin does not happen, if negative does not exist.
We do not need to sin. It is up to us to resist temptation. It is definitely not condoned by God. God exists regardless if we sin or not. While in an ideal world we may cease to sin, the potential for sin will always remain. Just like the North and South poles.
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Therefore, are we to think that God is not perfect, because he can't create a world where evil does not exist? Are we to think that God is not perfect, because God can't exterminate sin or atleast have it subdued? Or are we to think that God is not perfect, because God needs sin so that we exist, which in order makes him evil, and in order make him not God?
God did create a perfect world, but it was because man did not obey God that essentially corrupted the ideal for the remainder of humanity. Consequently, it is our choice (free will) to return to God (achieve salvation) or we can continue to eat the "forbidden fruit" and remain under the influence of the devil by giving into temptation.
We are humans of the flesh. We are not perfect like God. By following his word, we can be perfect like him, but it is up to us to follow His word in order to do so.
Hope that answers everything.
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What do you think?
Very good questions.
How is the response? Sound reasonable? :thumbs_up
