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T.S. Eliot

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It is our business, as readers of literature, to know what we like. It is our business, as Christians, as well as readers of literature, to know what we ought to like. It is our business as honest men not to assume that whatever we like is what we ought to like; and it is our business as honest Christians not to assume that we do like what we ought to like.

-T.S. Eliot
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  1. mtpspur's Avatar
    Ouch--I still love Matt Helm novels.
  2. Virgil's Avatar
    How about I leave you with an Eliot poem I think you would enjoy:

    The Journey of the Magi

    'A cold coming we had of it,
    Just the worst time of the year
    For the journey, and such a long journey:
    The ways deep and the weather sharp,
    The very dead of winter.'
    And the camels galled, sore-footed, refractory,
    Lying down in the melting snow.
    There were times we regretted
    The summer palaces on slopes, the terraces,
    And the silken girls bringing sherbet.
    Then the camel men cursing and grumbling
    And running away, and wanting their liquor and women,
    And the night-fires going out, and the lack of shelters,
    And the cities hostile and the towns unfriendly
    And the villages dirty and charging high prices:
    A hard time we had of it.
    At the end we preferred to travel all night,
    Sleeping in snatches,
    With the voices singing in our ears, saying
    That this was all folly.

    Then at dawn we came down to a temperate valley,
    Wet, below the snow line, smelling of vegetation;
    With a running stream and a water-mill beating the darkness,
    And three trees on the low sky,
    And an old white horse galloped away in the meadow.
    Then we came to a tavern with vine-leaves over the lintel,
    Six hands at an open door dicing for pieces of silver,
    And feet kicking the empty wine-skins,
    But there was no information, and so we continued
    And arrived at evening, not a moment too soon
    Finding the place; it was (you may say) satisfactory

    All this was a long time ago, I remember,
    And I would do it again, but set down
    This set down
    This: were we led all that way for
    Birth or Death? There was a Birth, certainly,
    We had evidence and no doubt. I had seen birth and death,
    But had thought they were different; this Birth was
    Hard and bitter agony for us, like Death, our death,
    We returned to our places, these Kingdoms,
    But no longer at ease here, in the old dispensation,
    With an alien people clutching their gods.
    I should be glad of another death.

    -- T. S. Eliot
  3. 1n50mn14's Avatar
    *ticking off on fingers: not Christian, not an honest man, not an honest Christian...* Phew! *sigh of relief* **disregards quote**
  4. 1n50mn14's Avatar
    (P.s.- Happy Belated Birthday!)
  5. applepie's Avatar
    I liked this one:) So often in my world the "ought to like" and "do like"s disagree. Hmmm, makes you wonder how you get around it all.
  6. andave_ya's Avatar
    Virg - I read that poem just the other day in my literature textbook.

    And Becca - hoi! not off the hook that easy! you're an honest reader, aren't you? AND an honest woman (we're part of mankind, aren't we? )