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Virgil

Elitist Night Out

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Met up with some old college friends for dinner last night. I don't get to see them very often, thank God. One, who had moved to Wisconsin a while ago but was in town, I hadn't met in about fifteen years, or so we estimated. As far as old friends go I've always had three sets of friends. Set number one are the group of friends I grew up with in Brooklyn. They're very down to earth, rough around the edges (ok more than just the edges ), the type where every other word may be a cuss word. Set number two are my engineering type of friends, technical, professional, not artsy in the least. And then there is set number three, the artsy, literary types mostly from Manhattan. That's who I had dinner with last night. Now because I float between these very diverse worlds I have this incredible opportunity to see just how different people see the world. Now I like my college literary friends but my God are we different. I've always tried to avoid political discussion when around them, because we definitely disagree. I would describe them as Manhattan liberals, which if you don't live in New York you might not understand. Some people might describe them as limosine liberals, although they're not quite wealthy enough to be considered such. But their outlook is pretty much the same. The word that describes them perfectly, and it has come out in this recent political campaign, is elitism. They look down at people with different views, as if their education and urbane lifestyle gives them special acumen to the world. The word didn't come up last night, but I've heard them refer to people as "rednecks" on occaision. One writes for a magazine, another for a newspaper, another is a director at a company that assesses your personality for a career fit. My wife has never felt comfortable in their company, mainly becuase she is so anti eliitist. Well, the shock when politics came up. How could it not come up these days? They all went around talking as to why they just "love" Obama, "love him." Now they knew roughly I'm of a different political persuasion, and so they asked me who I supported. Well, were they shocked when I said I still supported George W. and wished he could continue. Their mouths just dropped. And it was almost a simultaneous reaction where they shot back a good foot backwards in their chair. The shock. Well, did I have a little fun. We did talk a little politics until it got a little testy. You know I'm no pushover and I'm too old to just give in to peer pressure and hide my opinions. At some point we decided it was best to change the subject. I told them there was a reason I never brought up politics around them, I've always fundementally disagreed. And it was not the basis of our friendship. Are they snobs? They would probably tell you they're not, and on a personal level, they aren't. They wouldn't treat anyone differently because of their background, but their opinions and attitudes of people in general is defintely snobbish.

Perhaps though I've characterized them a little harshly. Obviously we have things in common or we would be friends and still meet up once or twice a year after over twenty years. We met at an Indian restuarant and they knew all the different types of Indian food, and we talked about our latest reads, and movies we had seen, and music that we liked. Actually we're all pretty much Rolling Stones fans. And we talked about some old times. We used to meet up at this blues club in Greenich Village and listen to this really outstanding blues guitarist. Of course we talked about some old friends and college days. We talked about the author Walter Mosley (if you've never heard of him, do a quick search; he writes some really good detective novels) who was on the periphery of our college group back then, before he made it big.

But yes, there is an elitist set of people in this country, and their not all from New York. But all one has to do is compare my Brooklyn friends with my Manhattan friends and you can see the difference. This split in the Democratic Party primary between the high brow types with the blue collar types is real and deep and interesting.
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  1. sprinks's Avatar
    It's always good to have different groups of friends - it really does open you up to different ideas and opinions, and getting to know how others think about things is always interesting. Luckily at my age politics isn't such a big topic, if anything discussing foreign politics gets more heated than discussing our own politics!! I'm not sure why that is though
  2. Nossa's Avatar
    lol...it's always good to have diversity in your life. But I gotta say, I couldn't agree more with your wife. I just hate people who think that their education and social status set them apart. And coming to think of it, most of them are either snobs or ignorants who 'think' they know what they're talking about. In either ways, I wouldn't like to be around them much, cuz I can't really keep my mouth shut for long lol. And about the politics part, well, as much as I like reading about politics, I never like to discuss it. I used to discuss political issues with my dad (we're in the middle east so it's kind of an inevitable discussion) but since we disagree on lots of things, we decided it was better for each of us to keep our opinions for ourselves. Somehow, people treat politics like religion these days, with the same sensitivity. It's really annoying.
    But yeah, I think you did best. Stick to movies and books, nobody will fight you cuz you hate their favorite author
  3. Shalot's Avatar
    Well at least you and your friends know who you're likely to vote for in November (depending on who gets the democratic nomination). Me, I might play the game and cast a vote, but I am so unable to identify with any of these candidates. I'm apt to vote for any crackpot on the ballot other than a democrat or a republican.
  4. B-Mental's Avatar
    I've travelled quite a bit, and in all of my travels I've avoided the Northeastern portion of the United States. I sense that there is a true separation in people there. The haves and have nots. When I worked at a ski resort many people from out east would come. They were shocked by the attitude of the people that worked there. I guess its difficult to go from a place where persons earn 6 figures to a place where people barely reach the 5 figures and live in general below the poverty line. The people in Montana of both political affiliations still have a common ground in their love of outdoors. The talk will mostly stay away from politics and center on the best of this or that activity with lurid stories and adventures bantered. Its often very difficult to find the well read there, but those conversations are always intriguing and rarely heated. I guess as a true independent moderate to the political parties I still manage to rankle as one side or the other wishes me to acknowledge their party's correctness. I applaud you on at least presenting your views to them... it reminds people that we all have our own opinions. Never read any Mosley, but I'll give a look next time I'm shopping for a good book. Cheers Mate. B
  5. Virgil's Avatar
    Thanks all for your comments. B-M, I wouldn't say my friends are wealthy. Actually the journalist and magazine writers don't make that much as far as I can tell. It's more of the Northeast elitist point of view. I guess people in the Northeast might make more than the resat of the country, but everything costs a lot around here so I don't know if we're better off financially. And I compared the Manhattan group with the Brooklyn group, there can be a large distinction and yet both sets are New Yorkers. Hey B-M, if you ever get out this way, let me know. I woud love to go to a blues club with you.
  6. motherhubbard's Avatar
    I would have kept my mouth shut. I don’t like talking about politicks with people who don’t agree with me. I don’t get to discuss it much for that reason. I hope you had a nice night with your friends.
  7. mtpspur's Avatar
    Walter Mosely rang abell but I need to yahoo him to see if he's who I think he is. On the other hand I have so many unread books already stacked up waiting for their day in the sun. Never got too excited about politics. They just don't have the accountability for their actions I had to live with in the military so my attitude is generally 'benign' contempt for the fancy posturers. The government had its chance to show me it cared when the drawdown occured (much like post Korean war veterans) so I have a live and let live mentality. Now the back taxes--true confession IRS has been more patient then I ever expected I'll give them that. On the other hand I don't ever dare own property.
  8. Anza's Avatar
    *gasp* Virgil! Tell us about your college days! Regal us with tales!! *begs*
  9. Virgil's Avatar
    Hey Anza. Not sure there were many tales. College was cool, but I was an egineering major, which didn't allow me many free nights. Lots of studying. Plus I also worked two jobs. So I was always busy. But occaisionally we had a friday night out. Mexican food and beer. We mostly went out after we had graduated college. Early to mid twenties is the best age. You're done with school and you're workin a real job so you got money and you're still young. There was a blues club we used like to go to.
  10. 's Avatar
    I love your description, and I completely understand - you are spot on. Anyone not familiar with New York - Virgil is spot on. Not that anyone was doubting him . My undergraduate university (in Manhattan) produced the people who will be those New York intellectuals - I might share (some) of their politics, but I hate that kind of attitude. Although I do know what different kinds of Indian food are called.
  11. Virgil's Avatar
    Thanks Kratsy, and thanks for dropping by.
  12. kiz_paws's Avatar
    That is awesome that you had three completely different sets of people you chummed with, Virgil. I was/am a little like that myself, and one 'set' cannot understand my attraction with the other 'set', etc. (I'll have to blog about it someday) Anyhow, I totally enjoyed this blog entry, cheers, Kizzo