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How Long Will You Live?

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I don’t often think about it anymore, but lifespan is one of my many interests. A few months ago I wrote a blog about how people perceive time, and that is only one aspect of the matter. I have noticed that people seem to have a good idea of how long they will live. I have known some people who pretty much predicted their own deaths. I am also interested in the research that is being done in longevity, and I posted a link to the Wikipedia article on Aubrey de Grey, a British longevity researcher who has said that he thinks that the first person who will live to be one thousand years old is alive now. I hope to prove him right, but we will have to wait and see.

Much of the research that de Grey and others are doing concentrates on DNA, both cellular and mitochondrial. I am not as familiar with mitochondrial DNA, but the time limit on cell nucleus DNA is a matter of the telomeres deteriorating. Telomeres tend to deteriorate with each division of a cell, so slowing cell division can be helpful for longevity, and there is an enzyme, telomerase, which will build telomeres back into shape. Alas, telomerase is very carcinogenic. We are hoping to find a way to restore telomeres without causing other damage.
Telomere Lengths Predict Life Expectancy in the Wild, Research Shows
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1119213144.htm

“Don’t be surprised if your doctor asks you to sit on the floor at your next checkup. A new study says testing a person’s ability to sit down and then rise from the floor could provide useful insight into their overall health and longevity.”
http://health.yahoo.net/experts/dayi...icts-longevity

Then there’s palmistry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQbshEeuq6U

600 to 1200 years, but this is just a wild claim
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/philosoph...200-years.html

I was kind of wondering again about potential human lifespan. It looks like the predictions are about the same, and Aubrey de Grey’s prediction of a thousand years is the upper limit of predictions that have any credibility. (I like the idea about sitting on the floor. I can sit and get up from the floor without using my hands, but even when I was a skinny teenager I preferred to use my hands on my knees getting up, because it impressed some easily impressed people.)

My lifeline goes into my wrist without any breaks, but I don’t think that’s significant. I suspect that we are genetically programmed to live a certain range of years, and I think that we are pretty much aware of this; although most people would say that it’s just “a feeling”; although it may be well known at some level of consciousness.

Time travel might make long life spans more common and interesting. If one can live for thirty years in the eighteenth century, another fifty in the thirty-second, and hop back to the third millennium BCE for a century of research on the Indian subcontinent before the Indo-Europeans, then back to the twenty-ninth century for a vacation, then one might lose track of how many years one had lived. That might be even a bigger problem after effective space travel becomes available. Or would it be a problem at all? Even General Relativity says that simultaneity is rather meaningless. Long lives and space travel would bring that home to humans, and it provides material for science fiction writers now, and provides more material for writers of romances in the future.

I expect that longevity will turn out like Quantum Mechanics; there will be a huge advance that I won’t notice until a few years later. If that does happen, then it will be more evidence that there are many worlds or that a time traveller came around and updated the knowledge of this era. At present, the finger of blame is pointed at DNA, and that fits with what kills people. People don’t kill people; DNA kills people. There are evolutionary reasons for DNA to have a built-in expiration date, so the obsolete models will not continue to take up space. There are some species of animal that appear to be immortal; they activate telomerase, and the cells become young again, but those are relatively simple animals, jellyfish, sea squirts, starfish, etc. Those have the ability to regrow parts also. The possibilities are out there. Some say that human evolution ended with central heat; they probably are mistaken, but evolution will end, if people start being immortal. At present, the best indicator of longevity is to look at how long a person’s ancestor’s lived in the times before antibiotics. I had an uncle who was born in the 1780’s and died in 1893, and others who had similar lifespans. They haven’t done as well since antibiotics and other modern inconveniences came into use.

A more accurate questionnaire for determining how long someone will live should include the terminal ages of ancestors, because that is an inheritable trait. Sometime we will have to look at making humans females fertile for their entire lives. That is a characteristic that would also lead to a longer lifespan.

Updated 08-14-2013 at 05:42 PM by PeterL

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  1. hannah_arendt's Avatar
    How long will I live? I thinki that it would be more than 60.

    It`s true that people live in much better conditions than it used to be earlier. However there are many diseases that will be impossible to cure, f. ex when an old man won`t be able to cope without help. He can eliminate problems with heart, brain and so on but you can change his thinking, understanding many things. We have many patients who cannot understand, remember what they are told to do.

    Other thing is that probably I wouldn`t like to live so long, I mean more than 70 or 80. However my granddad died when he was 99.
  2. PeterL's Avatar
    O.K., so die early, if you like. Before modern medicine some people lived more than ninety years. Modern medicine has been keeping alive the ones who wouldn't have lived even a week in some cases.

    May you live a million years.
  3. hannah_arendt's Avatar
    I just don`t want to loose control of my body, don`t be consious for example. Now I exist more or less similar to others thanks to medicines.
  4. PeterL's Avatar
    I can understand that, and the way that medical progress is moving, you might not be in less than good health for several hundred years. You'll have to wait and see.
  5. Virgil's Avatar
    I've always predicted I would live to 86. But I would like to exceed that too. It used to seem so far away, but when I hit 43 I realized i had lived half my life. That gave me shivers. Now having an exact age that I'm aiming for doesn't seem like such a good idea. The closer I get the more real it seems. But hey, I believe in the hereafter. Life is eternal. Another good blog Peter. You're on a roll. I did know about getting up off the floor without using your hands. i incorporate that into my exercise routine.
  6. mtpspur's Avatar
    For years I was convinced I would be dead by 38--a vey real fear. So I sit here now at age 62 shaking my head at God's patience.
  7. hannah_arendt's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by PeterL
    I can understand that, and the way that medical progress is moving, you might not be in less than good health for several hundred years. You'll have to wait and see.
    I don`t have any influence on it. Everything is progressing so I would like to believe that maybe scientists will discover something helpful .
  8. PeterL's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Virgil
    I've always predicted I would live to 86. But I would like to exceed that too. It used to seem so far away, but when I hit 43 I realized i had lived half my life. That gave me shivers. Now having an exact age that I'm aiming for doesn't seem like such a good idea. The closer I get the more real it seems. But hey, I believe in the hereafter. Life is eternal. Another good blog Peter. You're on a roll. I did know about getting up off the floor without using your hands. i incorporate that into my exercise routine.
    Eighty-six would have seemed like a lot when you were twenty or thirty, but it looks like that will be late childhood for many people, including some of us who are alive now. You should select a new and improved departure age. There still seems to be a sticking point at 113, so pust it above that. If you get beyond thaqt age, then you might last a lot longer.

    I selected my departure date a number of years ago (10/12/3208), I have some doubts about it, because I wuill be very careful on that day, so I might survive. There's only one way to know for sure.
  9. PeterL's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by mtpspur
    For years I was convinced I would be dead by 38--a vey real fear. So I sit here now at age 62 shaking my head at God's patience.
    You are lucky. I knew someone who didn't believe that she would make it to 21; she died less than six months after. And a guy who had similar thoughts did better but still died rather young. Why don't you tests the patience of the Godfs and select a new termination date?
    Updated 08-17-2013 at 10:35 AM by PeterL
  10. PeterL's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by hannah_arendt
    I don`t have any influence on it. Everything is progressing so I would like to believe that maybe scientists will discover something helpful .
    Yes, you have lots of influence over your health. Take care of yourself, and you'll get a chance to yell at great-great-great-great grandchild when they abuse you, or whatever
  11. hannah_arendt's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by PeterL
    Yes, you have lots of influence over your health. Take care of yourself, and you'll get a chance to yell at great-great-great-great grandchild when they abuse you, or whatever
    Yes, I have some influence on me. I follow my doctor`s advice, I try to not to eat everything (there is more things that I am not allowed to eat than those I can). However I got used to it.
  12. PeterL's Avatar
    True, one only has some influence over one's health. Did you grand rparents and earlier ancestors live to ripe old ages, or did they die in their 60's or 70's?
  13. hannah_arendt's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by PeterL
    True, one only has some influence over one's health. Did you grand rparents and earlier ancestors live to ripe old ages, or did they die in their 60's or 70's?
    My grandfather died when he was 98 and all his sisters and brothers too. My grandma was 84.
  14. PeterL's Avatar
    GREAT! Want to make a date for New Year's Eve in Paris for the beginning of the next century December 31, 2100 - January 1, 2101? We dance the Sun up after drinking the night through.
    Updated 08-20-2013 at 10:05 AM by PeterL (typo)
  15. hannah_arendt's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by PeterL
    GREAT! Want to make a date for New Year's Eve in Paris for the beginning of the next century December 31, 2100 - January 1, 2101? We dance the Sun up after drinking the night through.
    Am I invited?
  16. PeterL's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by hannah_arendt
    Am I invited?
    Yes. I check back in in a few decades, say about 2090.