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The Illuminati and Christian End Times

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Organized religion seeks to include everyone in the same organization, but the degree to which they try to inflict their beliefs on people who are not their co-religionists varies tremendously from Unitarians and Universal Life Church people who would just as soon you followed your own spirit to fundamentalists of various types, from Christian to Islam, who believe it is their responsibility to make you live their kind of proper life, or they will torture you until you change (or they think about that at least). The fundamentalists are major supporters of the Illuminati, and Christian fundamentalists, Muslim fundamentalists, and the Illuminati all are trying to impose the New World Order on you.

They have slightly different terms of what they are seeking to impose, but it involves making you do what they want, regardless of your wishes.
The Christian fundamentalists think that the “end times” will bring in an era of world unification, when everyone will live in harmony, after their enemies have been silenced. Apparently the Christians don’t realize that the Second Coming of Jesus happened in the second century CE.

The Islamic fundamentalists are more insistent about being right, but they don’t have as much scriptural authority. The Koran doesn’t include a book about end times, as the Christian Bible does, and the Muslims try to enforce their beliefs on others, which is specifically forbidden in the Koran, but they stopped following the Koran; they are following the Illuminati. And the Illuminati want to impose their will of all humans, and make them into sheep.

It is ironic that institutions that opposed the Soviet attempt to impose the centralization of power led by the Illuminati are now the chief proponents of the Illuminati doctrines, right there with the United Nations and the International Jewish Bankers’ Conspiracy. Now the sides have changed, but the struggle remains the same.

In fact, it is ironic that religions that profess to follow the god of Abraham with all of the morality and spirituality that entails are involved in any way with the godless and immoral Illuminati, but they are. And the two opposing views of religion have been allies for thousands of years since the first religions emerged.

Organized religion in some forms has openly supported and even fought for the goals of the Illuminati. The Catholic Church tried to establish itself over the world in the Crusades, which were against Muslims who had eschewed the Koran to try to force people to follow their version of the same god. It’s almost enough to get one to ask whether that god is the heart and soul of the godless and soulless Illuminati. Is it possible that the god who inspired the Book of Revelations also inspired international corporations and banks?

It makes me wonder whether the directors of the Illuminati meet in the Vatican.

It also makes me wonder about the end times. Science indicates that the Sun will last for another ten to twenty billion years, and there are no signs that a war of annihilation will break out, and there are no international disputes that would cause a serious war, and so on, and we know that the events predicted in the Book of revelations happened before 200 CE, so what do the people who think that the world will end are thinking about? There have been plenty of candidates for the Antichrist; although it was originally meant to indicate the Roman Emperor. Can life be so bad for those people that they dream that the final times will be better, or what? It also makes me wonder whether it is valid to classify religion as a mental illness. Religion certainly encourages people to believe things that are not true, but are those delusions?

This question brings up many other questions about the nature of organized religion and what it does to people, but I will not go into that now.
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  1. hannah_arendt's Avatar
    I think that life without any religion would be more difficult. It is easier to believe in something. Of course, religious structures have been created by people so they are full of mistakes.
  2. PeterL's Avatar
    If you mean religious thought, then I would agree. If you mean organized religion, then I disagree. The two are quite different.
  3. hannah_arendt's Avatar
    I know that, for example The Church, doesn`t have much in common with Christianity. That is why I don`t practice any religion (ritauls).
  4. PeterL's Avatar
    But it has a lot in common with what is described by some comspiracy theories.
  5. cafolini's Avatar
    Peterl, I think you have a very naive and ancient perspective on something that has long been utterly defeated and is evaporating. They are finished.
  6. PeterL's Avatar
    Naive? In what way? And what has "been utterly defeated and is evaporating?" Religion is making more money now than ever before, and it isn't just because the money is worth less, and there are still people around who are sure that there is a vast international comspiracy that they like to call the Illuminati; this "group" should be considered different from the Illuminati of Bavaria of the 18th century.

    Do you believe that the Book of Revelations is literally accurate?
  7. hannah_arendt's Avatar
    Peter, it is known that not all scripture has been chosen as a canon. Very often translation changes the meaning. It is very easy in this way to manipulate people. For example, there is no word that women cannot be priest as far as I know.
  8. PeterL's Avatar
    Yes, it is easy to pick and choose when one has a more than million words to choose from. And yes the editing of translations has made huge changes. There are some Christians who don't realize tha Judaism was polytheistic until the time of David or later. These days they are translaing "elohom" (gods) as God.

    The Roman Church banned the marriage of priests less than 1000 years ago.
  9. hannah_arendt's Avatar
    Language is a very good way of manipulation. About 3 years ago, in Poland a group of young people created a translation of Bible to a slang. I was shocked when I read that the answer of the Church was that they weren`t interested in it. In my opinion, this translation wasn`t apropriate and they should do something with the publication.
  10. PeterL's Avatar
    How one says something is often more important than what one says. The style, verbiage, sentence structure, etc, that one uses shows how the speaker thins and views the world. There were good reasons for only certain translations being accetped. I don't know Polish slang, but slang generally isn't very good at expressing much.
  11. hannah_arendt's Avatar
    You must believe me that it sounds very stupid. What`s more, The Holy Scripture, in my opinion, shouldn`t be translated. We have here churches with celebrations in Latin.
  12. PeterL's Avatar
    I tend to agree. I was brought up going to Catholic Churches that used the Latin mass, and it was fine with me.
    I think that translating the Bible was not a good idea, but putting the magic of a religious ceremony into the ordinary language makes it less mysterious and more commonplace. It changed the experience from going to a special place to going to an ordinary social event.
  13. hannah_arendt's Avatar
    Translation didn`t make people to read Bible. It seems to me that people going to the church don`t know why they go there. So translating The Holy Scripture for them was meaningless. We should go back to Latin, I think. However in Poland it`s rather imposible.
  14. PeterL's Avatar
    Translating it into the local languages made it easier for those who wanted to to read the thing, and that didn't do any good for anyone except the publishers.

    I think it is much better to go back to the original Gods and Goddesses, but we would have to do that in Proto-Indo-European to get it right.
  15. hannah_arendt's Avatar
    I am not so sure whether we can go back. We don`t have such conscience, I think. For example, I couldn`t live without city. I don`t feel any need of contact with the nature.
    Proto- Indo-European is very far away from us. In Poland we do not have contact with those elements which created polish culture. Maybe it`s only my opinion but it seems to me that it`s correct.
  16. PeterL's Avatar
    Yes, the Poles of today are very far removed in culture from the Sarmatian culture, and you probably are better off that way. Most people are different from ancient cultures, but the essentials are still the same; the basic human needs are the same and the sources for those things are still the same. The differences are in how the needs are fulfilled and how people express their feelings and thoughts. And there would still be followers of all of the Proto-Indo-European Gods and Goddesses from the major one like Djeus Pater to one who are largely forgotten like the wonderful Ekwamedha.

    Even if you don't interact with unaltered nature, it is still there, and it is still essential to the world as a whole. Our food still comes from the Earth even if we don't grow it ourselves.
    Updated 03-14-2013 at 08:27 PM by PeterL
  17. hannah_arendt's Avatar
    Many people give their children russian names such as Lena, Olga or Igor. I have nothing against Russia but it seems to me a little bit stupid. I would rather choose an international name, for example Victor, David, Anna (I don`t like my name), Mary, Arthur and so on. You probably wouldn`t be able to pronounce my second name, Małgorzata. But there are more and more people giving very old names (Stanislav, Franciszek etc).

    Your sentence about the nature remind me Thoroux a little.
  18. PeterL's Avatar
    Olga and Igor are Germanic names, not Russian. Those and some other names were slipped into Russian because Rurik was from what is now Sweden. He was a Varangian and brought a bunch of other Varangians along when he was hired to be the military protector of Kiev. The origin of one's name isn't very important, but it is important that one like one's name.

    And if you go back a little further in time, they were all the same people. Celts, Slavs, Germans, Greeks, Armenians, Kashmiris, Persians, etc.
    Updated 03-16-2013 at 01:59 PM by PeterL
  19. hannah_arendt's Avatar
    In Poland they`re considered as russian. I am impressed by your knowledge, I must say
  20. PeterL's Avatar
    I can understand them being thought of as Russian, but those names are more common in Germany and Scandinavia.

    Someone has to remember those things.
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