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The Perception of Time

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I just finished reading Timequake by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr., and I was struck by the attitude that he had toward time. Then I remembered that my mother had a similar attitude, and so do many of the people that I have encountered. That attitude is that they felt that they were very old, and that things in their lives happened a long, long time ago. I previously had the impression that people developed a longer view of things as they matured. It makes sense that little children would think that anything that happened before they were born happened a long, long time ago, but they would learn that their parents and other relatives may have lived back then, so it couldn't be all that long ago. And as time passed that view would extend to even earlier times. I have found that I consider anything since the fall of Rome to be fairly recent. I don't know anyone who was alive then, but I can imagine the times and events. Sometimes I stretch a little and remember that Babylon throve not long before that, so maybe recent times go back to 3000 BCE. Part of the reason why Olden Days seem recent to me is that I am comfortable with history and feel that I have a good idea of how people and things were then, while many people think that it was unfathomably different. There are even some people who think that people didn't have a sense of individuality until quite recently.
That strange idea is held by a fair number of people in academia, especially ones who never bothered paying attention to history and literature. Perhaps people are getting the idea to the past was so different from those academics. If one reads ancient literature carefully, then one will realize that people thought and acted the same three or four thousand years ago as they think and act now.
Then too, time, or the perception of time, is variable. "Time flies when you're having fun." This is a common perception that most people have at least some of the time. And there are things that seem to take forever. Such perceptions seem to be quite individual. Then there was the time when I met someone who I hadn't seen in about fifteen years, and I said, "Ir's been a while." He replied, "Yeah, a long while." To which I said, "No, not that long, just a few weeks." I could remember our last encounter as if it had happened a few days earlier. I take this to mean that perception of personal time is partly based on memory.
I don't know, but I suspect that one's understanding of the past and feeling of how distant it is depends largely on how clearly one recalls or understands. People who know nothing of the past would find it impossibly distant, outside their understanding, while someone who knows history reasonably well and feels comfortable with it would regard the past as things that happened in the knowable yesterdays, rather than in some unimaginably distant time.

How do other people perceive the past? Was Julius Caesar's murder something that felt like yesterday's news when you heard of it, or was it something that happened in a different world? Can you imagine sitting down and having a comfortable conversation over dinner with Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and a few others of that era? .

Updated 12-27-2012 at 06:29 PM by PeterL

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  1. Virgil's Avatar
    Interesting blog Peter. That personal perception of the time goes both ways for me. It does at times feel like things happened a long time ago, and then there are moments when it feels like something that happened when I was thirty was only two years ago. I'm 51 now. I don't know what triggers either mode.

    As to historical perception, I guess that would be relative to the discussion. If I'm in a conversation about western history, the American revolution does not seem very distant. If I'm in a discussion about American history, then the revolution seems as distant as it gets.
  2. PeterL's Avatar
    I thank you for the data. I am wondering why some things seem distant and others recent. When I can remember something, it always seems as if it happened a few weeks ago. I'm hoping that it is distance in time relative to my total lifespan.
  3. hannah_arendt's Avatar
    Sometimesa it seems to me the same, Peter. However, I have always frightened that my memory will one day play with me and won`t remember certain important things/people for me.
  4. PeterL's Avatar
    You probably don't have much to worry about on that. People talk about memory loss in old people, but only happens to people who don't have a very good brain to start with. Highly intelligent people, like you, lose little or no mental capability in old age unless there are other factors such as strokes, Alzheimer's disease, or other damage to the brain.
  5. hannah_arendt's Avatar
    Thanks for the compliment

    Very often I doubt in myself.

    Recently, I have realized that there are many people in Poland, even in mid 40. with whom I cannot communicate. Well, i have to do it. In Medical Center where I work, we have many patients who despite their age, behave as if they had Alzheimer`s disease or very serious problem with using the brain.
  6. PeterL's Avatar
    I have noticed that there are people in their teens who behave as if they had Alzheimer's, but it gets worse as they age. Too much alcohol can do nasty things to brains. If you ever see people you knew when you were a child, then you might notice that the ones who weren't very sharp have become relatively worse, especially if they drink more than they should.
    If someone doesn't fo much, then it doesn't make much difference: up in the morning, work in a simple job, watch TV at night with a bottle of booze, and repeat for a few decades, and the person will look normal until he goes out and deals with people.
    Updated 03-14-2013 at 04:21 PM by PeterL (typo)
  7. hannah_arendt's Avatar
    I have noticed the same in Poland. I have quite big experience in teaching and I see every day very clearly that polish teenagers are having worse and worse intelectual possibilities. For example today, one of my students has confused The Statue of Liberty with The Eiffel Tower.

    I am exhausted living with people who simply don`t use their brain. I am simple fed up.... Once upon a time, I have started to be frightened that one day I would be forced to exist among brainless beings.
  8. PeterL's Avatar
    I can almost understand confusing those two things. They are both monuments made of metal and designed by Frenchmen in the latter half of the 19th century.

    I am thinking that moving to an uninhabited tropical island would really be a good idea. There are many people who are quite nice, but they are a small minority of humanity. Or we could devise a deadly and incurable disease that would only attack people with IQ's of less than 115. Then we could devise a few other deadly diseases that would make the remnant population even pleasanter.
    There's a short story or novel there.
  9. hannah_arendt's Avatar
    I don`t want to be considered as a fascist or crazy one, so won`t write what I think about it....but you are right
  10. PeterL's Avatar
    I already wrote a novel about doing something like that. The novel wasn't very good, but the central ideas were quite good.
  11. hannah_arendt's Avatar
    Why do you think that? You should believe in yourself more
  12. PeterL's Avatar
    I do believe in myself, but I know enough about literature to realize that a novel is not well written. The premise was excellent. The characters were generally good. The beginning is good, and the ending is good. Unfortunately, the middle bogged down indetails and routine. It started as a short story that I wrote a few years ago; that was also the beginning of the novel. but I developed the rest as a matter of the main character feeling guilty for something that he had believed was a good idea, and that he may not have been responsible for.
  13. hannah_arendt's Avatar
    I had the same problem. About few years ago I started writing something and now I am finishing it but it`s something completely different.

    I have problem with writing longer chapters but I won`t be like G.R.R. Martin Have you read "Game of the thrones"?
  14. PeterL's Avatar
    I also hope that you will not be G.R.R. Martin; you should be a good writer instead. I read Game of Thrones. It was one of the worst books that I have read. There was no theme, no central conflict, no plot, no climax, and no plot resolution. It was not a novel. It was a lot of inconsequential incidents that went nowhere.
  15. hannah_arendt's Avatar
    Maybe it wasn`t the worst book. I didn`t like the sex scenes. I don`t find it adequate. Martin could have written/ planned this book much better.
  16. PeterL's Avatar
    No, it was not the worst, but it is down there among the worst. You would think that someone writing that many words would actually say something. I don't remember the sex scenes, but those are always forgettable, unless I am involved.
  17. hannah_arendt's Avatar
    I don`t like using so many words. Neithetr I speak so much as my husband does. I think that we should look for apopriate means of comunication, not speak, speak and speak.

    All the sex scenes seem to be similar. Maybe he watched toom many porn films when he was younger or he has a serious problem with it
  18. PeterL's Avatar
    "One word ie worth a thousand pictures, if you choose the word well." Most people use more words than they need, because they don't know how to use words well.

    I never have figured out why some people like porn.
  19. hannah_arendt's Avatar
    For me porn is very funny. The problem is when for somebody takes it as serious. Nowasdays, many people cannot create real relationships. They talk on facebook with people with whom they could meet in real world. Other thing is that very often via internet you can say more because you don`t have do worry about the reaction.

    If is comes to words, I have always had problem with expressing my emotions, feelingg with words. I don`t think I am talkative. Sometimes it is very embarassing when you want to say something but you cannot because somebody can`t stop talking.
  20. PeterL's Avatar
    Yes, there is a problem with people communicating over the internet or by cell phone, when it would be better to meet in person. It makes sense, when they live thousands of miles apart, but many people are using cell phones to talk with someone who is a few hundred meters away. Cell phones are much worse than the internet. I don't find porn funny; it is rather disgusting to me. I suppose that internet porn makes sense, if one doesn't meet people face-to-face.

    I also find it annoying when people talk incessantly.
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