A Mirror Floating in Water

And that's why you don't do shrooms.

Originally Posted by DanielBenoit

And that's why you don't do shrooms.

Or more importantly stand near someone who is doing "shrooms."

I saw the headline this morning in my list of news. I passed on reading it, but it was an interesting readnow that you posted it. I wonder how much of it is true. I haven't seen this in the American papers yet. Not that it would make it any truer, but it would lend some credibility if others were reporting it, especially those closer to the scene. But I assume body is for real.

I've heard some crazy stuff, but I've never heard anything that violent from someone on shrooms. PCP (Angel Dust) or acid, maybe. Not from shrooms though. I don't know anyone who has had that bad of a trip, and the few who did do something crazy were not only on shrooms. I'm curious just what else he had in his system or just how high of a dose did he take. A cup of tea isn't the most descriptive since it can be very strong or weak.

Yeah I didn't think of it, but Meg - good point. Seems likely that he was on PCP also... that would make a lot more sense.

Shrooms can be dangerous if you take way too many. Someone I know once took way too many and then sort of lost touch. Thought he was in Grand-theft auto and tried to steal his neighbour's truck. Fortunately the key wasn't in the ignition.

Also of course, there's no reason to do shrooms more than a couple times in life.

You can't believe everything you read, especially when it comes to drugs. Ever since the 30's when marijuana became illegal for political reasons and they began a campaign to make people think it was more dangerous than it is it's been going on. Even in my psychology class the teacher was under the impression that LSD was an addictive drug and taught this. The teacher was such an over-bearing personality that I didn't begin to want to discuss it with him. It is a shame when people resort to intimidation as a means of coercion.

And with so many false facts about drugs it makes it even more dangerous because there isn't accurate information about which are most dangerous. As Meg said, this seems more like it had something to do with PCP - a far, far more dangerous drug. It's one of those that makes you feel absolutely invincible and can't really feel pain, or so I've heard. I've never done it and would never, never do it. Sadly a lot of people do though.

Yeah, shrooms or no shrooms, he had to have had something wrong with him prior to that. People just don't go around ripping hearts and tongues out, even if they're having a really bad trip.

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See, that sounds more like a shroom trip crazy :D This is why I never did them, I'm too much of a control freak.

Well, don't dwell on it...

Just a thought.

To quote Hendrix, don't waste your time thinking about bad things

And even so, how many stories have we heard about PCP users ripping out hearts and tounges.

It does happen, to an extent, I guess. There was a guy from my hometown who did drugs back in the day and one night while on drugs (I don't know what they were, although I think it might have been LSD; this was many years ago), he left his house and went next door where he proceeded to stab the residents. He was sent to prison, so it's a true story.

I don't want to seem to be in favor of censorship, but does anyone think that influence of movies or video games could have pointed this guy into this direction. I know that most (normal rational) people will never do such things and can separate fiction from reality, but are we filling our minds with such horrible things that we shouldn't be relishing in?

Jesus Christ! That's pretty intense.

The mushrooms don't explain this, people do mushrooms all the time and just see distortion in their perception (personalities still intact). This incident sounds more like that guy in Canada who cut Tim McLean's head off on the Greyhound, he was just crazy. That means that he can't really be blamed for this.

Originally Posted by JuniperWoolf

Jesus Christ! That's pretty intense.

The mushrooms don't explain this, people do mushrooms all the time and just see distortion in their perception (personalities still intact). This incident sounds more like that guy in Canada who cut Tim McLean's head off on the Greyhound, he was just crazy. That means that he can't really be blamed for this.

I'm sympathetic to the mentally ill, but there has to be more accountability than 2 years in jail for decapitating a random person and starting to eat them. He could be released any day if the doctors find him to be better.

Well here's what I think, since he's that disturbed he should definitely be removed from normal society for quite some time, but I do not think he should go to jail, which will do more harm than good. I think that for criminals who can be clearly determined to be insane should be committed to a high security institution and not a prison. There is something like that here (insanity plea actually).

Originally Posted by DanielBenoit

Well here's what I think, since he's that disturbed he should definitely be removed from normal society for quite some time, but I do not think he should go to jail, which will do more harm than good. I think that for criminals who can be clearly determined to be insane should be committed to a high security institution and not a prison. There is something like that here (insanity plea actually).

Ya, well that's what he got, he was found not guilty by basis of mental disorder and institutionalized. Although, it's quite an extreme example. He randomly pulled out a hunting knife on a greyhound bus and stabbed a sleeping stranger to death, proceeded to decapitate the corpse, and then to eat the eyes, nose, and ears. Something like that is so mindblowingly insane and extreme that you struggle to come to terms with it, and it's hard to imagine someone who could do that ever really being stable enough to release.

Jesus Christ. I was eating when I read the above article and comments. .

Originally Posted by OrphanPip

Ya, well that's what he got, he was found not guilty by basis of mental disorder and institutionalized. Although, it's quite an extreme example. He randomly pulled out a hunting knife on a greyhound bus and stabbed a sleeping stranger to death, proceeded to decapitate the corpse, and then to eat the eyes, nose, and ears. Something like that is so mindblowingly insane and extreme that you struggle to come to terms with it, and it's hard to imagine someone who could do that ever really being stable enough to release.

Can such an example even be rehabilitated to the point to trust reintroducing into society? I wouldn't want such a person living in my neighborhood.

Originally Posted by OrphanPip

Ya, well that's what he got, he was found not guilty by basis of mental disorder and institutionalized. Although, it's quite an extreme example. He randomly pulled out a hunting knife on a greyhound bus and stabbed a sleeping stranger to death, proceeded to decapitate the corpse, and then to eat the eyes, nose, and ears. Something like that is so mindblowingly insane and extreme that you struggle to come to terms with it, and it's hard to imagine someone who could do that ever really being stable enough to release.

Well with cases like that (and the original one) the guy should definitley be locked up for perhaps a permanent amount of time, not in prison but in an institution.

It was done on a Greyhound bus you say? Imagine if that made it to youtube. How messed up would you have to be to even videotape such an incident, much less carry it out lol.

Originally Posted by BienvenuJDC

Can such an example even be rehabilitated to the point to trust reintroducing into society? I wouldn't want such a person living in my neighborhood.

I'm inclined to agree, but the doctors where he is institutionalized requested that he be given day passes last Friday. You can imagine it's causing a bit of an uproar, but I doubt there is any legal recourse that can be taken to overrule the opinion of his doctors.

Originally Posted by OrphanPip

I'm sympathetic to the mentally ill, but there has to be more accountability than 2 years in jail for decapitating a random person and starting to eat them. He could be released any day if the doctors find him to be better.

Oh I know. The fact that he's going to be out of U of A hospital some time in the next year is supremely horrifying. I'm not the doctor who's spent time with him every day for the last two years, but I think that it should take more than a year to rehabilitate a former decapitate-er. I don't know why they're doing it, but I'm guessing that it has something to do with cuts to mental health funding (since this is happening in the same year that the province announced the cuts).

Originally Posted by DanielBenoit

It was done on a Greyhound bus you say? Imagine if that made it to youtube. How messed up would you have to be to even videotape such an incident, much less carry it out lol.

Tim (the victim) was sleeping when Lee (the crazy guy) started stabbing him. At this point, everyone else rushed out of the bus and the driver wedged a crowbar in the door handles so that Lee couldn't get out and start stabbing other people. After Lee decapitated Tim, he carried the head over to the door and held up the head to the people who were standing outside (afterwards, we learned that Lee was just trying to show the people that they didn't have to be afraid because he had killed the monster). Then he started eating the head. The folks standing around were much too traumatized to pull out their cellphones or anything, I remember the interviews on the news the next day. They looked like they hadn't slept or showered at all (actually, I'm thinking that they probably didn't), and only like three of them would actually talk to the news people.

Anyway, after this happened Lee didn't talk for like two months. Didn't say a single word to anybody. Now I read that he feels really horrified and depressed (imagine if you were just normal old you, sitting on the bus, when the kid sitting next to you turns into a monster: you slay said monster, then learn that it was actually a harmless kid. That's apparently what it was like for him).

Yeah, I agree that he should be kept in an institution and looked after for pretty much the rest of his life, and that he also shouldn't be "punished" (besides the not being allowed out, which I guess is sort of a punishment). There was a big argument about this on the news a couple of months ago, and one guy was arguing that if Lee went on medication there's no reason to keep him locked up, but I don't know about that.

It's tough to say if we can trust the safety of the public to whether or not a paranoid schizophrenic (with a history of violent delusions) will continue to take his medication regularly, and that the medication will continue to work effectively. Although, my understanding is that he would still have to return to the institution at night, so he would still be supervised to an extent.