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desiresjab
04-12-2017, 02:08 AM
I love the popular side of guitar instrumentals, too. I still play a limited number of classical pieces but it is the popular side I am focused on more and enjoy personally now.

Of course this has two sides as well. There are unaccompanied popular solos for guitar, and accomapnied solos.

Sometimes the challenge is for the unaccompanied soloist to find an entertaining rendition of a piece normally requiring accompaniment.

Certain pieces lend themselves to the Chet Atkins style of unaccompanied solo with the Merle Travis thumping bass part, and Chet found and developed hundreds of these.

A highly stylized and evocative accompanied solo like Apache by the great Jurgen Ingman presents a great challenge for the unaccompanied soloist, so far undertaken by no greats I know of. Danny Gatton did perform the piece in a mere trio setting on his telecaster. I saw one guy on youtube who tackled the piece unaccompanied, and he did a pretty good job. Just how well this particular job can be done, remains to be seen. With some pieces the unaccompanied version works for a ways, but then lapses into redundancy in order to keep the peice going with all its harmonicity.

Lately, Apache has received a lot of attention from me. I have played the piece for years in combo settings, coming up with a few innovations here and there. What I have been attempting is a Chet Atkins style version. For this it is necessary to move the melody line to the top so the bass strings can thump. Kind of to my surprise, I was able to play the echoed response after each line of melody without too much trouble while keeping up the thump.

Another piece from my teenage years I have recently devoted attention to is the old surf classic Pipeline. Again, by moving the melody line to the top I am able to keep the famous repetitive four-note bass part of the piece going.

If I have trouble finding a full two or three entertaining minutes with these pieces (there are a few more unlikely suspects from this era I am working on such as Walk Don't Run and Perfidia), I figure I can string them together into a medley and avoid sacrifices in quality.

Dreamwoven
04-12-2017, 03:21 AM
This was an interesting post, a side of your interest I never knew much about. Good luck, desiresjab!

desiresjab
04-12-2017, 03:55 AM
Hey, you big Swede, I am not through with you yet. You must be familiar with Jurgen Ingman. He was a truly fine stylist. One of his hallmarks was rapid syncopated double picking on the bass strings. He is the best in my experience at this, for he sort of made a thing of it. A taste of it is available in the galloping part of Apache. For a more extended experience with the same technique try his version of Bonanza (for which his is really the definitive version) and his rendition of Anna which often goes by a Spanish name something like El Zumban Negro, or something close to that. He is nice and tricky on those bass strings with this one too.

Sweden can be proud that the best instrumental piece of music evocative of American injuns was written by a countryman.

Dreamwoven
04-12-2017, 04:13 AM
Yes, I know of Jurgen Ingman, though he was Danish, not Swedish: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jørgen_Ingmann. But you left me behind with your knowledge of guitar history.

desiresjab
04-26-2017, 12:22 AM
I didn't mean to leave anyone. My desire is to get people involved. There must be a lot of guitarists out there on this forum.

Playing unaccompanied is something I have gotten used to. I do not always prefer it but I know how to do it. I know how to search out pieces that can be arranged for my quasi-classical-pop-jazz style. I still play a handful of classical pieces, but my main interest is in finding popular songs that have not been arranged for unaccompanied guitar and in performing my original instrumentals.

I have a suite of original pieces with the melodies played in harmomnics. Dang, I almost hate to say it, but these I believe to be good enough to enter the guitar repetoire permanently. There were four or five of these. Currently, I have reconstructed two of them.

Searching for contemporary songs (up to 20 years old, actually) to make unaccompanied guitar intrumentals out of, is a frustrating experience. One problem is that radio songs often do not have actual chord progressions anymore, instead relying on repeated figures that may be looped a la U-2. A song can have a decent melody without having a chord progression to latch onto. If anyone can think of such songs I would considert them and try them out. Sometimes surprising songs make it onto the list. I have a version of (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction that is quite playable unaccompanied.

Dreamwoven
04-26-2017, 03:12 AM
I'm not a guitarist, and though there may be hundreds of people online its rare that more than 2 members are online. Check "currently active users" there are 850 online at the moment, of which 2 are registered and active users - Dreamwoven and JonathanManley.

desiresjab
04-27-2017, 02:07 AM
Most of the unaccompanied solos I play are in the quasi-classical style, i.e., highly melodic with a large emphasis on sweet harmonies like classical music itself, and employs classical fingerstyle. I throw in jazz substitutions for variety and interest. It is not quite classical, it is not quite jazz, it is mainly a treatment of popular songs using ideas and techniques from both mediums. On some pieces I use a thumb pick a la Chet Atkins and Tommy Emmanuel.

A shortcoming of this style (and of classical guitar in general) is the need for open strings which are not available in some keys. I call it keybound. Even the best classical guitar repetorie is heavily weighted toward the keys CAGED. Outside of these keys the need for constant barring with the left mitt can be a wrist and hand killer. Most of the major classical pieces whether written for guitar or transcribed from another instrument, could not be played at all in a different key. No one could play Recuerdos de la Alhambra passably in a key other than Am (A minor). Not possible. The modulated version would be rather rough I imagine. Of course one could slip on a capo, use the same fingerings, but tonally be in a different key, but that is not what we are talking about, and is cheating, so it does not count as far as how many keys one plays in. Aurally it does, but intellectually there is no difference in the way one plays the piece.

Like the classical guitar repetoire itself, my list is heavily weighted to CAGED. I make it a matter of honor to get as many keys in as I can. I consider it a performance weakness to play back to back selections in the same key, for the most part, that is. I want to mix the keys up.

So many arrangements fall almost naturally into one of CAGED that I have to make a conscious effort to include other keys. Now one would be stupid to eschew a beautiful arrangement that falls naturally right out of the guitar hole.

Believe me, many an arrangement of old standards that were mostly in flat keys back in their orchestral dance band heydays, shake right out the guitar somewhere in CAGED. There is a shortage of flat keys in classical guitar literature. In general, it is much more difficult to make a good quasi-classical guitar arrangement of a standard piece in flat keys where the open string options are more limited to practically non-existent. The common exception in the literature is Dm, which is the relative minor of F, whose key signature of one flat it often shares. It also functions as a ii (minor 2) chord in the Dorian mode, which would put it in the key signature of C, which is even more useful. Of course, when it is in the Dorian mode one has not really left CAGED, either. The Dm could also function as a iii chord out of the Phrygian mode, putting it in the key signature of Bb, which has only two flats and is not too deep into the flats yet. But even in that context (as a iii chord) one finds it occurring far less often in classical guitar literature, and hence, in quasi-classical guitar arrangements as well.

Dreamwoven
04-27-2017, 10:53 AM
You are obviously well-into this subject, I know what a Rickenbacker is and how it sounds, but that's about my limit...

Dreamwoven
04-28-2017, 08:45 AM
I learned to play the violin as a child. It is a favourite of Hungarians, which is what my parent were...I can still play it, squeezing the vibrato out of it. It is a very emotional instrument.

Dreamwoven
04-29-2017, 01:47 AM
I should have mentioned this ages ago, check out the website here called Genealogical Research: http://www.online-literature.com/forums/showthread.php?85057-Genealogical-Research/page6. Your background in the west of the USA and your Red Indian background would be ideal for this.

desiresjab
06-03-2017, 08:22 PM
No serious guitarists around here? I knew there was something wrong with this place.

Try Batacuda by Lenny Breau and Chet Atkins. Breau wrote it. A batacuda I believe to be some kind of dance form from down South America way. Danik may know something about that.

desiresjab
06-03-2017, 08:30 PM
I should have mentioned this ages ago, check out the website here called Genealogical Research: http://www.online-literature.com/forums/showthread.php?85057-Genealogical-Research/page6. Your background in the west of the USA and your Red Indian background would be ideal for this.

My daughter already did all that. I am a registered injun, so not much doubt about it. I am only about an eighth altogether, however. Half of that is undocumented from my mother's side. My father's side of California injun is well documented.

Folks might be surprised to learn how fast the California injuns succumbed. The slaughter was unprecedented. Whitey had his killing chops down by then, and he was not wasting any time grabbing this land which made Missouri look like a desert..

Danik 2016
06-03-2017, 09:41 PM
Do you mean batucada?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onDbEojLK5I

Compare:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm_qTydorC8

desiresjab
06-05-2017, 09:23 PM
I misread it. Batucada is right. I could play it before I could pronounce it.

My arrangement might catch real flak from purists. As the name implies, the piece is what it is. The rhythm used by Chet and Lenny represents its name. I can play it their way. But I happen to think that unaccompanied it sounds better in a straight Chet Atkins thumping style. What is surprising is how much of its original flavor the piece does not lose with this treatment. It sure does not sound country--not with those chords and melody line!

Some pieces are just sitting there waiting to be found. Such pieces reflect the basic nature of the guitar's standard tuning. They are available in a particular key because of the tuning. This piece, which runs through the altered notes above an Am, would never be played in any other key. The idea is even a little absurd to those who understand the instrument.

I have written several artificial harmoncs pieces that came right out of the guitar, not out of me. I believe they are so integral to guitar that they already existed, I merely found them for the first time. I am more a discoverer on guitar than anything else.

Danik 2016
06-05-2017, 10:26 PM
I was surprised to find it in guitar version. The samba rythm (batucada do samba) is a percussive rythm, people play it even on a box of matches.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batucada

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V43_3WSljlA

YesNo
06-06-2017, 10:32 AM
Playing this using boxes of matches surprised me until I saw this video that came up next showing one how to use boxes of matches to make music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKj31MAgyUM Although I didn't understand the words, the instruction made sense.

Danik 2016
06-06-2017, 10:38 PM
Yes/No -I tried to find a video of the little boy that danced to the rythm of the boxes of matches at the opening of the Olympic Games in Rio last year but there was no video available. Only the complete Opening which is about 4 hours long.

desiresjab
06-06-2017, 11:22 PM
There is no better popular instrumental duo than two guitars. I am not sure about second best. Either bass and piano or bass and guitar again. Harp and guitar is nice for a while, but soon grows tiresome. Piano and sax is certainly attractive. Two guitars is better than all the above. On individual efforts, it might be any combination. But piece in and piece out, I will take two guitars.

Piano and guitar do not usually work magic together, from what I've heard, though any two instruments can do it sometimes. Guitars have just enough range to offer good support to the leading voice of the other. Both are capable of harmonic complexity and contrapuntal movement. I hope I spelled that right.

I finally figured out I need a wife who plays guitar well. I haven't seen my wife anywhere. Has anyone seen my wife? Now, don't put up a video of Bonny Raitt or some hot classical player. I doubt if my wife is famous, and she is probably old and ugly. I think it best if she has no romantic impulses left. My incubus power could injure her at her age...ahem! As an incubus, I also have great powers of restraint, enabling myself to endure long stretches of celibacy with ease. She should play guitar and cook. A neat home helps. Nor should she be ugly as a sack full of rectums, for a good stage appearance. She has to like obsessed, autodidactical bums. That is a strong qualification.

That said, we might as well get married, honey, if you will just show yourself. I might mow a lawn now and then, but I am not going to turn into your handyman. We will play lots of guitar, mainly. An old hag like yourself cannot expect sex, especially from an incubus born to the task. You could stack an oil tanker to the top with women I've had. Now it is time for guitar. If you still have some sexual impulse left, no worry, this old incubus can talk you to an orgasm from across the room, which will make your former experiences pale. That is but a trifle for incubus power. I learned to give orgasms to strangers across the room merely by catching their glance. If it is orgasms you want, doll, I can transmit them endlessly your way while we play guitar. It is as easy as I, ii, V, for me. Steady on that Bm7b5, gal. Ah, you noticed, the orgasm and the tremolo go together naturally.

desiresjab
06-06-2017, 11:55 PM
P.S. No succubi, retired or active, need apply.

desiresjab
06-07-2017, 12:12 AM
P.S.S. If you have children, they must be adult, and non-cambion.

desiresjab
06-10-2017, 02:58 AM
The few people reading this might want to acquaint themselves with Los Indios Tabajaras, who hailed from Brazil. These boys were two of the great stylists who made an impact on American guitarists with their release of the standard Maria Elena in about 1961-63. I was captivated myself, being 12 or 13 years old and already a player and fan of beautiful sounds and virtuosity.

That piece is a good place to start if you are not already familiar with them. It was the only hit they ever had in North America. It showcases their style perfectly. If you feel like reaching out for more from there, go anywhere. I always find them entertaining.

Something that is entertaining and instructive for me is to compare various artists' versions of standards and classics. I usually prefer this over listening to their original works, which hardly ever stand up to these old works IMO, and which also offer a basis for comparison of their harmonic and technical abilities.