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Ecurb
09-27-2016, 08:04 PM
"Planet Narnia", written by Michael Ward and published in 2008, points out that the Narnia series is organized on the basis of Medieval Astrology. Ward was a PhD. student at Oxford, studying Lewis for his Doctor of Divinity dissertation.

Those familiar with C.S. Lewis and his works know that Lewis was interested in Medieval astrology. In his Science Fiction trilogy, "Out of the Silent Planet" is set on Mars, and has a "martial" plot and tone. "Perelandra" is set on Venus, and has a venereal mood and tone. In "That Hideous Strength" the rulers of the Planets (equivalent to angels in Christian mythology) play a personal role.

Narnia has been criticized as a 'mish mash" -- mixing up Greek mythology, talking animal English fiction, and E. Nesbit - like children's fantasy. Indeed, Lewis begins "The Magician's Nephew" with an homage to Nesbit (from memory) --"This was back in the days when the Bastables were still looking for treasure on Lewisham road."

Probably because of the obvious Christological symbolism, readers did not look further for an organizing principle -- until it occurred to Ward.

Ward's theory (and it's obvious and irrefutable, once he lays it out) is that each of the novels portrays the "aspect" of Christ symbolized by one of the planets. In addition, the mood, or "humor": of each book is imbued with the humor of the planet.

Ward backs his theory with both textual evidence, and evidence from Lewis's life. For example, Lewis wrote a poem called "The Planets". He describes Jupiter's tale as one:

Of wrath ended
And woes mended, of winter passed
And guilt forgiven, and goof fortune
Jove is master; and of jocund revel,
Laughter of ladies. The lion-hearted,
The myriad-minded, men like the gods,
Helps and heroes, helms of nations
Just and gentle, are Jove's children,
Work his wonders.

Of course, "winter passed" is exactly what happens in "The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe".

The plan is: The Lion -- Jupiter
Prince Caspian -- Mars
The Voyage of the Dawn Treader -- Sol (the sun and moon were "planets" for medieval astrologers)
The Silver Chair -- Luna
The Horse and His Boy -- Mercury
The Magician's Nephew -- Venus
The Last Battle -- Satrun

Ward is a good writer, and he goes into detail supporting his theory (which I wrote about on these pages years ago, but I recently looked at the book again). There can be little doubt that Lews used it as an organizing principle, and the book is well worth reading for fans of Narnia.

As one example: Mercury is the patron of messengers and thieves. In "The Horse and His Boy", Shasta "steals" the horse Bree, and saves Archenland by serving as a messenger. In astrology, the constellation "Gemini" is ruled by Mercury. The Gemini were the twins, Castor and Pollux. Homer (whom Lewis had doubtless read) describes Castor as the "horse tamer" and Pollux as a great boxer. Of course Shasta "tames" Bree, not by teaching him to obey, but by befriending him and teaching him about prideless honor. Shasta's twin brother Corin is a boxer. Indeed, Shasta's real birth name is "Cor", and is we combine the names, we get C(sh)ast(a)or, which can hardly be a coincidence.

The argument for all of the other books is equally persuasive (or more so, because I've given the Cliff Notes version). Perhaps fans of Narnia and medieval astrology can try to figure out some of the connections for themselves. Or they can read the book. Medieval astrology, by the way, almost vanished with Copernicus and Gallileo, (who disproved the paradigm on which it was based), and astrology was revived in the late 19th century along with an interest in other forms of mysticism and supernaturalism. It bears only a slight resemblance to modern astrology.

Dreamwoven
09-28-2016, 05:03 AM
I think I might read Narnia when I have the chance.

Red Terror
09-28-2016, 12:35 PM
Come on, folks! The next thing you'll tell me is that you are taking up coloring too.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d2hMR5U9PU

Ecurb
09-28-2016, 01:01 PM
Red Terror is channeling Susan Pevensie.

Danik 2016
09-28-2016, 01:39 PM
"The plan is: The Lion -- Jupiter
Prince Caspian -- Mars
The Voyage of the Dawn Treader -- Sol (the sun and moon were "planets" for medieval astrologers)
The Silver Chair -- Luna
The Horse and His Boy -- Mercury
The Magician's Nephew -- Venus
The Last Battle -- Saturn"

Just one question, is this Lewis plan?
The lion (and the sign of lion) is usually associated to the sun. Jupiter would be the Centaur, except I think there are no Centaurs in the Narnia sagas.

Ecurb
09-28-2016, 02:51 PM
Jupiter is the king -- and TLWaW is about restoring Narnia to it's proper ruler (Aslan) and enthroning the Pevensie chjildren. I cited the poem earlier in which Lewis talks about Jupiter being about "winter passed" and "guilt forgiven" (Edmund), and about Jupiter being "lion hearted". In the novel, Aslan's return is predicted in the couplet:

When he bares his teeth, winter meets its death
And when he shakes his mane we shall have Spring again.

Edmund is co-opted into treachery by the Queen's promise that he will be king, one day.

The wardrobe is clearly a Jovial place: "In fact, they were standing amidst a collection of robes of state -- dozens of robes which hung, each separate, from its little pillar of wood."

According to the poem "Planets", Jovial nations are "just and gentle". When kings and queens, Edmund is known as "Edmund the Just", and Susan as "Susan the Gentle". Jupiter is associated with the color "red". According to Frazer, Roman generals celebrating victory would dress as Jupiter and have their faces "reddened with vermillion". Father Christmas makes his red-faced and jovial appearance in this novel, crimson against the white snow. Red represents Jovial celebration, but also blood and sacrifice. The witch and wolf have red mouths; Tumnus wears a red muffler; the children follow a red-breasted robin; Peter's shield bears a red lion; the girls clean the red blood from the dead Aslan. The metal associated with Jupiter is iron, like Peter's sword (which he forgets to clean). (Each planet has an association with a color and a metal, and the associations in the other novels are often even more clearly developed. For example, in "Dawn Treader", Sol is associated with gold, and the magic pool turns anything it touches into gold.)

The Fairy Tale is a jovial genre: no fairy tale begins, "Once upon a time there was a President and First Lady." It must be a King and a Queen.

Lewis distinguished "contemplative knowledge" from what he calls "enjoyment". He wrote, "...spiritual experience can never abide introspection. If even our emotions will not do so... much less will the operations of the Holy Ghost. The attempt to discover by introspective analysis our own spiritual condition is to me a horrible thing which reveals, at best, not the secrets of God's spirit and ours, but their transpositions in intellect, emotion and imagination, and which at worst may be the quickest way to presumption and despair."

However much specific symbols may represent Jupiter and his associations, it is the mood of the novel that is jovial. Here the children look at Cair Paravel:


They began marching eastward down the side of the great river..... The castle of Cir Paravel on its little hill towered above them; before them were sands, with rocks and little pools of salt water, and seaweed, and the smell of the sea and long miles of boue-green waves breaking for ever and ever on the beach. And oh, the cry of the sea-gulls! Have you heard it? Can you remember?

Of course we can all remember the cry of the gulls, but Lewis is evoking in his readers something deeper and more eternal -- memories of a palace as eternal as the waves that break forever and ever, and a kingship -- magnanimous, festive, and lordly -- that will last forever.

(Most of this is paraphrased from Ward's book.)

Ecurb
09-28-2016, 02:59 PM
By the way, there are Centaurs in Narnia. They play a role in Prince Caspian and in The Last Battle, where a centaur makes astrological predictions of the disaster to come. Also, "Dawn Treader" is clearly "Sol" -- a quest for the sun. IN addition to the enchanted pool that turns anything it touches to gold, the dark island (which blots out the light of the sun) and the mono pods (who are invisible) all relate to the motif of light and visibility. Apollo was the slayer of Python (the serpent) and Eustace is changed into a dragon which Aslan (in his Apollonian aspect) "slays" by changing Eustace back into a boy.

ONe of my favorite lines (from memory): when Eustace meets a star (who looks like a person) he says, "In our world, stars are huge balls of flaming gas." The star replies, "That is only what stars are made of, not what they are."

Ward's thesis, by the way, is not that Lewis' secret method of basing each novel on one of the planets offers hidden meanings, but that the unity of mood this method creates is one reason for the popularity of the series.

Danik 2016
09-28-2016, 10:04 PM
I havenīt read the Narnia chronicles. But I must have watched one of the pictures for I distinctly remember the lion and other animals(wasnīt there a bear too?) wars and special effects.
It is certainly an unusual theme for a theological? dissertation.
Some randon observations that might fit or not the Narnia stories
The Last Battle associated to Saturn- I would say it depended on the emphasis on the book. If the focus is on the battle with is victories, defeats, heroes, etc. I woulsay the mood is predominantly martian. If it is centred on the losses on the devastation of the country on the despondency of defeat, on maturing through experience and on facing the need to rebuild the country than I think the mood is more saturnian.
Jupiter is the great optimist of the planetary figures, but sometimes this optimism results in ilusions.
And the medieval Mercur or Hermes (Trimegistus) besides messenger and thief was also magician and trickster and a central figure in medieval alchemy (though that is leading it a bit far). He is also associated to duality and ambivalence.
https://www.google.com.br/search?q=Dual+nature+of+Hermes-alchemy&client=firefox-b&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiRxrXHvbPPAhWJiZAKHffVAe8Q_AUICCgB&biw=1093&bih=459#imgrc=bDRTnEEFxA67oM%3A

Ecurb
09-29-2016, 09:58 AM
Saturn (Cronus) is actually a character in "The Last Battle", who calls an end to Narnia. The battles in all the Narnia books are minor, compared to those in the silly movies.

As far as Red Terror's mockery of children's novels, I'd suggest that as a child I loved peanut butter, pizza, spaghetti and pancakes. I didn't like blue cheese, anchovies, or wine. I have expanded my taste since, but (unlike some people) I never thought that liking wine and cheese meant that I have to eschew peanut butter or pizza. I still love all the novels I read as a child, including the Narnias, The Jungle Books, The Treasure Seekers, Treasure Island (and many, many more).

Most of us develop sophisticated tastes as we grow older and educate our palates, but if we think that this invalidates the simpler tastes and pleasures of our childhoods we risk becoming pretentious parvenus.

Danik 2016
09-29-2016, 11:02 AM
Itīs good to know that the books are more interesting than the films. I learnt reading English with "Teasure Island" and later with Dickens and I love those authors and others until today, but I am not a Narnia generation. You must be younger as I thought.
As for mocking each other tastes, I think one of the interesting thing about LitNet is the opportunity of echanging opinions with people who come from different countries and another life experience. If we respect each others views the discussions may include, marxism, religion, Narnia, childrenīs poem and what else may come up in the forum.

Ecurb
09-29-2016, 12:01 PM
"Treasure Island" gave me nightmares when I was a child. I kept hearing blind Pew tap, tap, tapping down the street in front of my house. One example of Stevenson's genius is that he intuited that a blind pirate would be scarier for children than one who could see. Why? Surely it would be easier to run away and hide from a blind pirate. However, Stevenson was right.

I'm old enough (barely) to be retired (I quit my job two years ago as a result of corporate infighting that led to the company president, who was my good friend, being fired). The Narnia books were written in the 1950s, and were popular in the '60s, when I was a child. One of Lewis' biographers thought they were a reaction to Lewis' humiliation in a debate about his book "Miracles" with Elizabeth Ascombe (a professional philosopher). Critics saw them as a retreat into childish fantasy. Ward, on the other hand, sees them as a conscious response to Ascombe's arguments -- a response for which fantasy was an appropriate genre. By the way, one of Lewis' scholarly books is "The Discarded Image", which is about the Medieval and Renaissance world view, and includes a chapter on Medieval astrology.

Danik 2016
09-29-2016, 01:50 PM
It was a surprise for me to learn that the Narnia books were all written in the fifties! I thought they were much more recent. What probably happened is that they only became popular in Brazil when the movies were produced. Something similar must have happened to the Tolkien sagas.
In the 60 ies we read the books from Monteiro Lobato. Lobato was a farmer in the state of São Paulo. He was well read and he wrote a lot of books for children. Among other things he wanted the children to become more interested in the subjects they had to learn at school. So he invented the Yellow Woodpecker Farm. The movies, of course, came much later.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmQliHwSMo8

Dreamwoven
09-30-2016, 02:02 AM
I only read the saga of the ring when it came out in paperback, which may well also have been triggered by the late success of Tolkien.