the best poet of all times?

[cacian]

who according to you deserve to take first place of best poets of all times?


Please state your reasons why.

[YesNo]

I think there would be many. Some of my favorites would be considered song lyricists. Others are not. Also, other people might not agree with my choices and so those that I think are great need not be the ones others find worth reading or hearing again. The reason why they would be great (for me) is because I would choose to hear or read the poem multiple times.

[Danik 2016]

For me there are many too.
Shakespeare, Lorca, Fernando Pessoa,Goethe, Celan, Whitman,Huidobro, Carlos Drummond de Andrade, João Cabral de Melo Neto,and,and...
and the flow of the prose of Guimarães Rosa.
I like poets who write beautifully about universal themes. I don´t care very much about love poems.

[Lokasenna]

It's tough to say, because that means making comparisons between poets massively separated in time and space, and consequently with very different styles and intentions. Not to mention the fact that a great number of my favourite poems are by anonymous poets, which sometimes makes establishing a 'canonical' poet quite difficult.

Still, if I was pressed and forced to give one specific name, I would probably say Chaucer.

[prendrelemick]

who according to you deserve to take first place of best poets of all times?


Please state your reasons why.

This time cacian, you go too far.:wink5: (Although actually, that's why I like your posts)

Jerrybaldy in nostalgic mood is pretty good.

[Pompey Bum]

Obviously Cacian. :)

[Ecurb]

I vote for the anonymous author of, "Finders keepers, losers weepers."

[cacian]

Obviously Cacian. :)

LOL
I meant published studied poets outside this forum haha :

[cacian]

I vote for the anonymous author of, "Finders keepers, losers weepers."
anonymous?

[cacian]

It's tough to say, because that means making comparisons between poets massively separated in time and space, and consequently with very different styles and intentions. Not to mention the fact that a great number of my favourite poems are by anonymous poets, which sometimes makes establishing a 'canonical' poet quite difficult.

Still, if I was pressed and forced to give one specific name, I would probably say Chaucer.

Chaucer
do you have a favourite poem of him?

[cacian]

For me there are many too.
Shakespeare, Lorca, Fernando Pessoa,Goethe, Celan, Whitman,Huidobro, Carlos Drummond de Andrade, João Cabral de Melo Neto,and,and...
and the flow of the prose of Guimarães Rosa.
I like poets who write beautifully about universal themes. I don´t care very much about love poems.

can a poet move on to be a better writer for it do you think?
in other words be a poet and then a writer.

[JCamilo]

accidentally, Cacian, a poet is a writer of poetry.

[cacian]

accidentally, Cacian, a poet is a writer of poetry.

sure but poetry is prose
a novel is not.

[Pompey Bum]

LOL
I meant published studied poets outside this forum haha :

I've made my choice.

cacian
speaks better french than
a hatian
but longing brings no elation
unless
a dacian
from the romanian nation
achieves translation
of the conflagration
in combination
with a thracian
at the workstation
of love

[Danik 2016]

can a poet move on to be a better writer for it do you think?
in other words be a poet and then a writer.
If you mean writing prose, Cacian, yes there are many writers like Goethe, for example, who write poetry, prose, essays and plays as well. And he was good in all genres.
Others stick just to poetry or prose.

[Pompey Bum]

I vote for the anonymous author of, "Finders keepers, losers weepers."

I prefer the stark utilitarianism of anonymous' later stuff:

Righty tighty
Lefty loosey

[cacian]

I've made my choice.

cacian
speaks better french than
a hatian
but longing brings no elation
unless
a dacian
from the romanian nation
achieves translation
of the conflagration
in combination
with a thracian
at the workstation
of love

haha
beautifully crafted
and a joy to read
Pompey and thank you :)

one thing Ii must ask
you
what is the meaning
of your avatar picture?

[Pompey Bum]

haha
beautifully crafted
and a joy to read
Pompey and thank you :)

one thing Ii must ask
you
what is the meaning
of your avatar picture?

Here is the meaning to me: the right half of the rabbit's face is innocence and the left half is cynicism. They are my personality flaws. Choose the side you prefer. :)

[cacian]

Here is the meaning to me: the right half of the rabbit's face is innocence and the left half is cynicism. They are my personality flaws. Choose the side you prefer. :)

hard choice although cynicism is at the essence

where is or what is Uncanny valley?
bearing in mind I am in London forgive me :)

[JCamilo]

sure but poetry is prose
a novel is not.

poetry is prose? Tell me cacian :)

Anyways, here for your enjoyment, a Novel that happens to be a poem:

http://digital.library.upenn.edu/women/barrett/aurora/aurora.html

[Pompey Bum]

hard choice although cynicism is at the essence

where is or what is Uncanny valley?
bearing in mind I am in London forgive me :)

Uncanny Valley:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley

I have spent the last few years in New England (USA) and Taiwan (ROC). Uncanny Valley is just a joke.

[cacian]

Uncanny Valley:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley

I have spent the last few years in New England (USA) and Taiwan (ROC). Uncanny Valley is just a joke.

lucky you
what could be the difference between the two?
New England is supposed to be fairly grand
and Taiwan s mostly tropical right??
the two could not be more different.

[cacian]

poetry is prose? Tell me cacian :)

Anyways, here for your enjoyment, a Novel that happens to be a poem:

http://digital.library.upenn.edu/women/barrett/aturora/aurora.html

that is not poetry
that is far too long and too condense.

[JCamilo]

don't be lazy, imagine how many questions you can imagine from poesy long wings :D

[Pompey Bum]

lucky you
what could be the difference between the two?
New England is supposed to be fairly grand
and Taiwan s mostly tropical right??
the two could not be more different.

I don't know if I'd call it grand. New England was settled by the Puritans, and they had a problem with grand. But it is old by Anglo-American standards so there is plenty of history here. And Boston, which was later inundated by Irish and Italian immigrants, has its own (more earthy) charms. I grew up in the suburbs and went to college in Cambridge, which is just across the Charles River. So, you know, it's home.

Taiwan is where my wife comes from. We've gone back and forth seasonably for a few years (th humidity is unbearable in the summer) but we've been having some issues lately that may keep up state-side for a while. Taiwan is a beautiful but very eccentric country. It's doomed to be swallowed up by the Communists eventually, but I'm glad to have known it when I did. Poor Taiwan, as they say, so far from God, so close to China.

[EmptySeraph]

Paul Celan. I think with him poetry has reached its zenith, and it will only be able to go downwards from that position in which Celan has left it.

[prendrelemick]

I've made my choice.

cacian
speaks better french than
a hatian
but longing brings no elation
unless
a dacian
from the romanian nation
achieves translation
of the conflagration
in combination
with a thracian
at the workstation
of love

Am in adoration or your creation.

[Offeror]

Unfortunately for most people who've replied so far might not be acquainted with Eastern poets and since I am so I rate them higher. There are names such as Mirza Ghalib (wrote mostly about love related themes but was so good with the use of words that he's considered the very best), Meer Taqi Meer, Allama Iqbal (was inspired from Goethe and wrote about universal themes ranging from religion to politics to social themes). These are all poets who wrote in Urdu with the exception of Allama Iqbal who also wrote in Persian.

Then I haven't spoken of Maulana Rumi, the same Rumi who is often quoted on spirituality. He had a major work called the Masnavi, a work in Persian in which he touches on various spiritual themes. Again this is highly rated as piece of work. There are other Sufi spiritualists such as Bhulley Shah and Waris Shah whose poetry has the quality of being very moving and again touch on universal themes while at the same time being wonderful specimens of wordplay.

In short it's so hard to say which is the best but generally speaking I think the East has some very wonderful poetic works.