feelings and poetry

[cacian]

how should poetry make you feel?

the desire to draw
saddness out of
claw
is to see it take a blow
and poetry does it
though
justifyingly so

that is how I see or interpret poetry.
nothing serious just something to mingle with so time is fluid and easy to true it,


any thoughts most welcome :)

[PeterL]

Poetry can exoke or inform regarding a full range of thoughts and feelings. In these sad, post-Romantic times most people think that poetry is meant to invoke emotions, but in wiser times poetry was simply a form in which anything might be expressed from the Battle of Troy to a descent into Hell. During the Renaissance much poetry was word play to see if something can be fit into a particular form.

[YesNo]

Poetry should make a human feel something, that is, inspire some subjective response when the human reads the poem. A computer by contrast gets no subjective response, that is, it feels nothing although perhaps it could be said to have "read" the poem in some objective way.

[tranthuphuong]

emotion is the decision to poetry and soulful. It is natural poetic, often a poem would say the mood of the author.

[fajfall]

Amused, with a touch of awe.

Reciting Dorothy Mackeller's My Country, it took me a while to notice that she abruptly slows the speed of one line in the poem in describing the growth of tangled vines in a forest. 'Green tangle of the forest / Where lithe lianas coil'. You can't really say "lithe lianas" (Lyyyth lyyyarnars) fast, and so your tongue becomes like a slow growing vine with sound to match.

I read different English translations of a passage in the Iliad. The academics described the repertition of sounds of certain letters as resembling the splash of the tide, but I didn't notice it at all no matter how hard I tried. I really want to read The Iliad but until I can learn to notice and appreciate its beauty it'll be a waste of time. The article concluded that Alexander Pope's translation remains the best English translation of the Iliad ever made.

[desiresjab]

Turn of phrase. Some come out good. Some grab more than was meant suggestively. No emotion means anything to poetry that does not turn a phrase that compels our interest. Their is magic in phrasing when you hit it now and then. Collect your best phrases and you might pass for one of the immortals. A perfect phrase is a solid base hit, a perfect poem is a home run.

Does anyone on here believe they have hit at least one home run, i.e. a poem good enough to sneak into an anthology among the greats without coming off as undeserving or weaker than its neighbors?

[YesNo]

I assume I hit home runs every time I post. I don't expect to burden future generations with that by having them all put in some anthology. They need to hit their own home runs.

[desiresjab]

I assume I hit home runs every time I post. I don't expect to burden future generations with that by having them all put in some anthology. They need to hit their own home runs.

Show me one, please. You have permission to burden me.

[YesNo]

This one right here.

[cacian]

This one right here.

which one?

[cacian]

I assume I hit home runs every time I post. I don't expect to burden future generations with that by having them all put in some anthology. They need to hit their own home runs.

haha very well said
anthology and poetry somehow do not hit the sound note
writing is a current not a recurrent i guess :)

[YesNo]

That's a good way to put it. Writing is a "current" activity.

[khashan]

http://www.media.mit.edu/speech/papers/1988/cahn_AVIOS88_sad_glad.pdf

"1 - Acoustic Correlates of Emotion
Expressiveness and intonation in English are intertwined. Intonation is applied within those acoustic
parameters which vary in response to emotional state or attitude. The physiological eects of
emotion | arousal, depression | necessarily aects the speech apparatus, and thereby, the speech
output. An increase in arousal, as for fear or anger, is characterized by increased heart rate and
blood pressure, changes in the rate, depth and pattern of respiratory movements, drying of the
mouth and occasional muscle tremor. Speech is fast and loud, with greatest energy in the higher
frequencies. Pitch range expands, median pitch is higher than in normal speech, and
uctuations
in the pitch contour increase. Enunciation also becomes more precise. Conversely, a decrease in
systemic arousal as occurs for relaxation or grief, is characterized by decreased heart rate and blood
pressure and an increase in salivation. Speech is slow and low{pitched, high frequencies are weak
and enunciation loses precision."

[YesNo]

I suspect a computer will one day be able to speak so that it conveys emotion to a human being, khashan. That would still be a long way from the computer actually feeling that emotion.

It perhaps would be a waste of programming effort to implement that subjectivity even if it were possible to do so. For whose benefit?

[khashan]

I suspect a computer will one day be able to speak so that it conveys emotion to a human being, khashan. That would still be a long way from the computer actually feeling that emotion.

It perhaps would be a waste of programming effort to implement that subjectivity even if it were possible to do so. For whose benefit?

I agree with you.

The writer in this paragraph is referring to humans.

"An increase in arousal, as for fear or anger, is characterized by increased heart rate and
blood pressure, changes in the rate, depth and pattern of respiratory movements, drying of the
mouth and occasional muscle tremor."

[YesNo]

In reference to humans I agree. In particular it is the sound that conveys that emotion, not something visual. One of the ways I like to characterize poetry is as sound and meaning which I hope is similar to Robert Frost's "sound of sense".

[mynguyen]

Composing poetry takes romantic soul