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Carousel
01-29-2015, 06:24 PM
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George Washington’s family crest, arguable awarded to one of his ancestor’s for bravery in the battle of Crecy in the hundred years war, bares a remarkable resemblance to the American flag.
Mullet (Star) = Divine quality from above; mark of third son
Red stripes Red (Gules) = Warrior or martyr; Military strength and magnanimity

George was very proud of his family crest and I think it’s very conceivable that the stars and stripes on the crest were the basis for the American flag.

American historians hotly refute this but they would wouldn't they, it hardly signifies the break with the mother country to incorporate an English award into the new nation’s flag but as no actual evidence exists on the flag’s origin it remains at least a possibility.

Washington was certainly in the position to influence the make-up of the flag. He frequently used (for example, as his bookplate) his family coat of arms and I think he would have been well pleased to think that his family crest would still be there on the American flag long after his death.

Pompey Bum
01-29-2015, 07:16 PM
American historians hotly refute this

Dispute, Carousel. They hotly dispute it.

Clopin
01-29-2015, 08:21 PM
The American flag is bad... not quite as bad as Canada's but bad. We both have good national anthems though.

Pompey Bum
01-29-2015, 08:43 PM
The American flag is bad... not quite as bad as Canada's but bad. We both have good national anthems though.

It's nice to be free, but sometimes I wish we were glorious and free.

EDIT: Canadian money is better, too. The Queen on one side and a beaver on the other. Genius. Genius.

Clopin
01-29-2015, 09:19 PM
Haha the five used to have kids playing hockey on the back too! But we changed all of our money within the last three or so years and now it's (in my opinion) a little worse in design... and also plastic. Your money is pretty meh, but I remember thinking that Canadian money was way too huge and cartoon coloured upon returning to Canada after spending first two months in Vietnam and then three months in Seattle.

Anyway it's also a point of national shame that practically every retail outfit in Canada even takes your damn money.

Clopin
01-29-2015, 09:20 PM
Double post sssssss

Pompey Bum
01-29-2015, 09:28 PM
Yeah, I only know about the old Canadian money because the Massachusetts toll keepers used to slip them to drivers as change. They weren't good for anything except to try to slip to some other toll keeper. It was like a special currency just for cars.

Clopin
01-29-2015, 09:31 PM
single tear

MANICHAEAN
01-30-2015, 12:39 AM
I have fond memories of the way the Canadian "looney" was strategically projected through the air at the Oil Can establishment in Fort McMurray, Alberta.
And then retrieved with a magnetic belt.

Pompey will no doubt agree with me that the change in the limey currency was a retrograde step too. I'm sure he remembers the magnificent old five, ten and twenty pound notes, if not the gold sovereigns that preceded them. Can just see him at the last night of the Proms as well, belting out Land of Hope and Glory and Jerusalem.

But in terms of artistic value in bank notes I personally don't think you can refute the pre Euro Italian notes.

Emil Miller
01-30-2015, 04:25 AM
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George Washington’s family crest, arguable awarded to one of his ancestor’s for bravery in the battle of Crecy in the hundred years war, bares a remarkable resemblance to the American flag.
Mullet (Star) = Divine quality from above; mark of third son
Red stripes Red (Gules) = Warrior or martyr; Military strength and magnanimity

George was very proud of his family crest and I think it’s very conceivable that the stars and stripes on the crest were the basis for the American flag.

American historians hotly refute this but they would wouldn't they, it hardly signifies the break with the mother country to incorporate an English award into the new nation’s flag but as no actual evidence exists on the flag’s origin it remains at least a possibility.

Washington was certainly in the position to influence the make-up of the flag. He frequently used (for example, as his bookplate) his family coat of arms and I think he would have been well pleased to think that his family crest would still be there on the American flag long after his death.

I had no idea that the flag might have been concocted from George Washington's family crest. He probably didn't realise that a few more stars would be added in the years to come.
However, if Texas secedes one will have to be removed.

I'm joking of course but ....then again.

Pompey Bum
01-30-2015, 08:51 AM
Pompey will no doubt agree with me that the change in the limey currency was a retrograde step too. I'm sure he remembers the magnificent old five, ten and twenty pound notes, if not the gold sovereigns that preceded them. Can just see him at the last night of the Proms as well, belting out Land of Hope and Glory and Jerusalem.

What ho! Give pounds sterling, I say! Dunkirk, old man, Dunkirk. Never say die, eh what?

Carousel
01-30-2015, 09:58 AM
I little story, which I'm told is true. When the first Americans arrived in England in WW2 a North Country textile firm was given the contract to make clothing for their female service women. So pleased to see that the Yanks had decided to join in at last, they welcomed them with a free gift of knickers complete with the American flag emblazoned on the arse.
Churchill had to waste a half hour of his precious time making profound apologies to the top brass.

Emil Miller
01-30-2015, 10:02 AM
I little story, which I'm told is true. When the first Americans arrived in England in WW2 a North Country textile firm was given the contract to make clothing for their female service women. So pleased to see that the Yanks had decided to join in at last, they welcomed them with a free gift of knickers complete with the American flag emblazoned on the arse.
Churchill had to waste a half hour of his precious time making profound apologies to the top brass.

:lol: That's hilarious.

Carousel
01-30-2015, 10:40 AM
Dispute, Carousel. They hotly dispute it.

Yes I meant 'Dispute'. Do you know of any group of historians who can agree with each other?

Emil Miller
01-30-2015, 04:12 PM
Haha the five used to have kids playing hockey on the back too! But we changed all of our money within the last three or so years and now it's (in my opinion) a little worse in design... and also plastic. Your money is pretty meh, but I remember thinking that Canadian money was way too huge and cartoon coloured upon returning to Canada after spending first two months in Vietnam and then three months in Seattle.

Anyway it's also a point of national shame that practically every retail outfit in Canada even takes your damn money.

This post reminded me of various banknotes left over from trips abroad and checking them out I agree that the US notes I have are pretty dull in comparison to some others; being uniformly green and bearing Andrew Jackson's and Benjamin Franklin's portrait and a building on the reverse side. I didn't get them in the USA but they were given as a gift.
There is also a 50 French franc note that is of course no longer legal tender. It bears the portrait of Antoine de Saint-Exupery on a blue background with a picture of a biplane on the reverse side and it's quite colourful.
There is a 50 Swiss franc note that is fairly dull with a woman's head that is given as Sophie Taeuber Arp. It has an abstract design on the reverse side. I checked her out and she was a Dadaist.
Various denominations of Chinese banknotes are red with Mao and the Great Hall of the People on the reverse or pink and grey/green showing idealised portraits of workers and peasants, and one with what looks like a scholar. These have scenic views of China on the back.
I still have a paper English pound note that was replaced by coins years ago. I got this by chance. I was in a London bar about 20 years ago when a woman came in and asked the barman for a glass of orange, he gave her the drink and she gave him a pound note which he refused because it was no longer legal tender. She said she was from Sweden and had brought with her some notes that she had left over from a visit years before and she didn't know that the currency had changed. I said I would give her a pound coin for the note and I still have it. It's green and has the Queen's portrait
and a picture of Isaac Newton on the reverse.


Sorry about the disjointed text. There is a malfunction on my computer that has been giving me trouble for some time despite various attempts to rectify it.