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Frostball
06-25-2014, 02:56 PM
I recently read Nietzsche's Birth of Tragedy, and it as it was my first venture into reading one of Nietzsche's works it was a wild but enjoyable read.

One thing I learned a lot about from reading it is Greek Tragedy. Nietzsche seemed to think it was the epitome of art, with the perfect balance of the Apollonian and Dionysian and whatnot. I'm curious what others think. I started reading a couple Greek Tragedies, and plan on finishing them. So far they interest me, as I find Greek culture an interesting subject, but I find find it difficult to believe I will end up placing them above more modern works.

Another thing I learned a lot about was Richard Wagner. I've started listening to some of his works, and watched the first part of Tristan und Isolde, which I actually thought was pretty awesome. I haven't ever been exposed to opera, and have always thought it was a bit on the silly side, and quite old fashioned. But, as I said, I watched part 1 of Tristan und Isolde, and from about 5 minutes to the end I was pretty entertained. My views on opera have certainly shifted. I also would like to know what others think of Richard Wagner.

In reading Birth of Tragedy, I think I can see how Nietzsche was trying to see art. I've been trying to look at everything, all the art around us and the feelings in side of me, in terms of the Appolonian and Dionysian. Basically I've been trying it on for size, and it is quite interesting. However, I've heard that Nietzsche later somewhat recanted a lot of the things in Birth of Tragedy, which is perfectly fine considering it was his first work. Does anybody else see anything in these ideas as real, or an actual useful way of looking at things? I enjoyed it simply as a good read, myself, and am glad to have learned about Greek Tragedy and Richard Wagner, but I'm not sure the actual philosophical ideas will affected me very much.

Long post, I have many thoughts, apparently. I suppose the book certainly made me think, at least. If anybody has any thoughts on any one of these things, I would very much like to hear them.

JHG
06-26-2014, 09:19 AM
I recently read Nietzsche's Birth of Tragedy, and it as it was my first venture into reading one of Nietzsche's works it was a wild but enjoyable read.

One thing I learned a lot about from reading it is Greek Tragedy. Nietzsche seemed to think it was the epitome of art, with the perfect balance of the Apollonian and Dionysian and whatnot. I'm curious what others think. I started reading a couple Greek Tragedies, and plan on finishing them. So far they interest me, as I find Greek culture an interesting subject, but I find find it difficult to believe I will end up placing them above more modern works.

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In reading Birth of Tragedy, I think I can see how Nietzsche was trying to see art. I've been trying to look at everything, all the art around us and the feelings in side of me, in terms of the Appolonian and Dionysian. Basically I've been trying it on for size, and it is quite interesting. However, I've heard that Nietzsche later somewhat recanted a lot of the things in Birth of Tragedy, which is perfectly fine considering it was his first work. Does anybody else see anything in these ideas as real, or an actual useful way of looking at things? I enjoyed it simply as a good read, myself, and am glad to have learned about Greek Tragedy and Richard Wagner, but I'm not sure the actual philosophical ideas will affected me very much.


I also enjoyed reading Birth of Tragedy - Nietzsche is one of the most entertaining philosophers to read, isn't he?

We can appreciate the developments that Nietzsche was able to make. The influence of Birth of Tragedy was felt, especially in the accompanying Death of tragedy. Yet, you note that this particular work was an early one of his, one which I believe he later criticized as overly idealist due to the fascination that comes with youth (correct me if I'm wrong, folks). See Der Fall Wagner ((http://www.gutenberg.org/files/25012/25012-h/25012-h.html (http://www.gutenberg.org/files/25012/25012-h/25012-h.html)). This idealism is in tune with the general feeling of the Enlightenment, and the tendency to look back on the Greeks as literary and philosophical perfection (esp. Homer and Aristotle). In that way perhaps, Nietzsche was just wrapped up in the Zeitgeist.

Therefore, I applaud your caution. And I would have to ask for more interpretation in light of other sources, before we can form any definitive opinions. Certainly Aristotle's Poetics, Der Fall Wagner (as previously mentioned); and if you are feeling brave, Thus Spoke Zarathustra.