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Daniel Kisiel
03-16-2014, 09:15 AM
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Romeo and Juliet
[I, 2]

Servant

311

Find them out whose names are written here! It is
written, that the shoemaker should meddle with his
yard, and the tailor with his last, the fisher with
his pencil, and the painter with his nets; but I am
sent to find those persons whose names are here
writ, and can never find what names the writing
person hath here writ. I must to the learned.—In good time.




By John Fisher

His last words before execution (in polish): „Wystarczy tej nauki, aby wytrzymać przez resztę mego życia”.

Daniel Kisiel
03-17-2014, 03:24 AM
Merry Wives of Windsor
[IV, 5]

Falstaff

2386

I would all the world might be cozened; for I have
been cozened and beaten too. If it should come to
the ear of the court, how I have been transformed
and how my transformation hath been washed and
cudgelled, they would melt me out of my fat drop by
drop and liquor fishermen's boots with me; I warrant
they would whip me with their fine wits till I were
as crest-fallen as a dried pear. I never prospered
since I forswore myself at primero. Well, if my
wind were but long enough to say my prayers, I would repent.
[Enter MISTRESS QUICKLY]
Now, whence come you?




Sir JOHN Falstaff

Daniel Kisiel
03-17-2014, 03:44 AM
Pericles
[II, 1]

Pericles

629

[Aside] How from the finny subject of the sea
These fishers tell the infirmities of men;
And from their watery empire recollect
All that may men approve or men detect!
Peace be at your labour, honest fishermen.


Faciam vos fieri piscatores hominum.

Daniel Kisiel
03-17-2014, 04:15 AM
Vilia miretur vulgus; mihi flavus Apollo

Pocula Castalia plena ministret aqua

(Let the crowd wonder at cheap things; for me

let yellow-haired Apollo give cups full

of water of Castalia)


Venus and Adonis

Shakespeare

544

'Fair queen,' quoth he, 'if any love you owe me,
Measure my strangeness with my unripe years:
Before I know myself, seek not to know me;
No fisher but the ungrown fry forbears:
The mellow plum doth fall, the green sticks fast,
Or being early pluck'd is sour to taste.


Young brain, old body. Justification and apology; but also hope.

Daniel Kisiel
03-17-2014, 04:45 AM
TO THE
RIGHT HONORABLE HENRY WRIOTHESLY,
EARL OF SOUTHAMPTON, AND BARON OF TICHFIELD.
RIGHT HONORABLE,


RIGHT AND HONORABLE Thomas Wriothesley, 1st Earl of Southampton; Henry couse he was Henry's eyes and ears:

Clerk of the Signet

and let the letters to walk through...


he was also made a baron of Titchfield in 1544. After John Fisher's death, but as a co- worker, this title also survived in the motto. John Fisher had many of co- workers who added plenty of "modern times" "additions" also political, most political.

Daniel Kisiel
03-17-2014, 05:57 AM
King Lear
[IV, 6]

Edgar

2611

Come on, sir; here's the place. Stand still. How fearful
And dizzy 'tis to cast one's eyes so low!
The crows and choughs that wing the midway air
Show scarce so gross as beetles. Halfway down
Hangs one that gathers sampire- dreadful trade!
Methinks he seems no bigger than his head.
The fishermen that walk upon the beach
Appear like mice; and yond tall anchoring bark,
Diminish'd to her ****; her ****, a buoy
Almost too small for sight. The murmuring surge
That on th' unnumb'red idle pebble chafes
Cannot be heard so high. I'll look no more,
Lest my brain turn, and the deficient sight
Topple down headlong.




Isn't that curious?:
Edgar- son of Gloucester

Duke of Burgundy, suitor to Cordelia
Duke of Albany, husband to Goneril[4]
Duke of Cornwall, husband to Regan
Earl of Kent, often appearing under the DISGUISE of Caius Henry Grey, 10th Earl of Kent-> William White-> Gonville and Caius College, Cambridge;
John Fisher as Cambridge university's chancellor; John Caius refunder;
Birth of "William" disguise made by "co-workers"
Earl of Gloucester (sometimes written as Gloster) there were no earl during Fisher's times; there were Duke just before his birth:
Richard Plantagenet House of York

Isn't that curious Richard Plantegenet was from House of York? And Fisher's place of birth was Beverley, Yorkshire; they share even same crests.

Daniel Kisiel
03-17-2014, 06:14 AM
Comedy of Errors
[V, 1]

Aemilia

1791

By men of Epidamnum he and I
And the twin Dromio all were taken up;
But by and by rude fishermen of Corinth
By force took Dromio and my son from them
And me they left with those of Epidamnum.
What then became of them I cannot tell
I to this fortune that you see me in.





Comedy of Errors
[I, 1]

Aegeon

100

O, had the gods done so, I had not now
Worthily term'd them merciless to us!
For, ere the ships could meet by twice five leagues,
We were encounterd by a mighty rock;
Which being violently borne upon,
Our helpful ship was splitted in the midst;
So that, in this unjust divorce of us,
Fortune had left to both of us alike
What to delight in, what to sorrow for.
Her part, poor soul! seeming as burdened
With lesser weight but not with lesser woe,
Was carried with more speed before the wind;
And in our sight they three were taken up
By fishermen of Corinth, as we thought.
At length, another ship had seized on us;
And, knowing whom it was their hap to save,
Gave healthful welcome to their shipwreck'd guests;
And would have reft the fishers of their prey,
Had not their bark been very slow of sail;
And therefore homeward did they bend their course.
Thus have you heard me sever'd from my bliss;
That by misfortunes was my life prolong'd,
To tell sad stories of my own mishaps.



Aegeon– a merchant of Syracuse; John Fisher- the eldest son of Robert Fisher, a modestly prosperous merchant of Beverley;
Emilia– his lost wife, now Lady Abbess at Ephesus; Catherine of Aragon; Lady of Abbess, Lady of Disguise;
Dromio of Ephesus and Dromio of Syracuse – twin brothers, bondmen, each serving his respective Antipholus;

Fishermen of Corinth- who recognised and divided the sea and the sun; with big probability John Fisher and Catherine of Aragon were lovers; were those two dead sons theirs? not Henry's?

Daniel Kisiel
03-17-2014, 06:49 AM
Solinus – Duke of Ephesus


Ephesus- Probably from ἐπήορος (epēoros, “overseer”).
Syracuse- Found as far back as 8th century BC; from a Pre-Greek word, possibly Phoenician "serah" (“to feel ill”), a reference to the port being near a swamp;
acuse (acuse de recibo)- spanish; acknowledgment of receipt/letter
accusé
to accuse- inculpate, to criminate, to article


So Catherine was a reader, first reader, of all these we now as "Shakespeare Legacy".

Daniel Kisiel
03-20-2014, 05:21 PM
The last argument; for sure there is much more to defend this theory, but it is not my work to do; what play was performed as first and when and why?

It seems it was one of best "Shakespeare's" plays Henry VI, part 2.
Why this play?
1590- 1592---> and why now?
Nine Years' War (Ireland); de facto started in 1590
Hugh Roe O'Donnell- he was the one who probably brought "something" from Spanish court; by something I mean Fisher's works; if it wasn't him, then someone else from Irish people.
De Facto HENRY VIII THE MAD (as he was a descendant of Charles VI of France THE MAD) and father of GREAT ELIZABETH THE MAD (or not- couse she decided not to leave a descendant- couse she knew she is MAD).

Wars of the Roses: Yorks vs Plantagenets
White Rose vs Red Rose

As mentioned in one of above posts Fisher was born in Yorkshire. As a high rank nobleman he knew the king well. He knew he was MAD. Probably he had an affair with Catherine (someone should check this out, was it pure like White Rose or also sexual like Red Rose- who knows?- most important that with big probability he wrote this plays.
Fisher to the last was defending catholic religion, he died for it; as a one of the greatest of his times (with great probability he wrote publication Assertio Septem Sacramentorum ("Defence of the Seven Sacraments") which earned Henry VIII the title of Fidei Defensor (Defender of the Faith) from Pope Leo X.-> again isnt' that "funny"? We can recognise the catholik religion work in this man and not laic ones. Fisher was the person who reformed Cambridge University.
Following Wikipedia:
Fisher's strategy was to assemble funds and attract to Cambridge leading scholars from Europe, promoting the study not only of Classical Latin and Greek authors, but of Hebrew. He placed great weight upon pastoral commitment, above all popular preaching by the endowed staff. Fisher's foundations were also dedicated to prayer for the dead, especially through chantry foundations. Fisher had a vision to which he dedicated all his personal resources and energies. A scholar and a priest, humble and conscientious, he managed despite occasional opposition to administer a whole university, one of only two in England. He conceived and saw through long-term projects.
Erasmus said of John Fisher:
"He is the one man at this time who is incomparable for uprightness of life, for learning and for greatness of soul."[5]
He conceived and saw through time: he knew what "changing of fate" will bring to his own people-

FRATRICIDAL

CIVIL

DOMESTIC

WAR- as War of the Roses did; as WAR in IRELAND DID, in 16th century and in XX.
He saw madness in Tudor's line. He was defender of House of York ideals- "protecting the current state of mind- couse it won't bring more chaos". Why "Shakespeare" has not written any play about "Elizabeth the great- THE MAD or not Mad"? Couse he simply couldn't- she was just born when he was farewelling with life.
Wasn't Elizabeth this mighty rock?:

Comedy of Errors
[I, 1]

Aegeon

100

O, had the gods done so, I had not now
Worthily term'd them merciless to us!
For, ere the ships could meet by twice five leagues,
We were encounterd by a mighty rock;
Which being violently borne upon,
Our helpful ship was splitted in the midst;
So that, in this unjust divorce of us,
Fortune had left to both of us alike
What to delight in, what to sorrow for.
Her part, poor soul! seeming as burdened
With lesser weight but not with lesser woe,
Was carried with more speed before the wind;
And in our sight they three were taken up
By fishermen of Corinth, as we thought.
At length, another ship had seized on us;
And, knowing whom it was their hap to save,
Gave healthful welcome to their shipwreck'd guests;
And would have reft the fishers of their prey,
Had not their bark been very slow of sail;
And therefore homeward did they bend their course.
Thus have you heard me sever'd from my bliss;
That by misfortunes was my life prolong'd,
To tell sad stories of my own mishaps.

The only play that speaks about Elizabeth The Great is Henry VIII. But isn't this play a tragedy and comedy in one? SCENE V. The palace. is most important

Enter trumpets, sounding

And The Trumpeters as a Choir (was this part of the play a pure addition of the modern- day's "co- workers", or predictions of Fisher's adapted by them?- I would say the first).
What does this mighty choir of trumpeters say?:


EPILOGUE
'Tis ten to one this play can never please
All that are here: some come to take their ease,
And SLEEP an act or two; but those, we FEAR,
WE HAVE FRIGHTENED WITH OUR TRUMPETS; so, 'tis CLEAR,
They'll say 'tis naught: others, to hear the city
Abused extremely, and to cry 'That's witty!'
WHICH WE HAVE NOT DONE NEITHER: that, I fear,
All the expected good we're like to hear
For this play at this time, is only in
The merciful construction of GOOD women;
FOR SUCH A ONE we show'd 'em: if they smile,
And say 'twill do, I know, within a while
ALL THE BEST MEN ARE OURS; for 'tis ill hap,
If they hold when their ladies bid 'em clap.

GOD SAVE THE holy virgin! With no man aside!
As a Devil sometimes hides behind Holiness, and ordinary man behind the truth, to the end.
Didn't she know she is bad and mad? Was she holly? By covering her face with the mask. Was this camuflage only an excuse for the "Queens Role"? Gnothi Seauton: she would tell: "I am mad"; she left no succesor, she had no husband;
is it good to hide affairs and romances being a priest instead of showing purity being a whore?- this is the knowing of what is good and what isn't. She simply didn't know; she didn't know even TRUMPETERS insulted her deeply.



Fisher and his co- workers... Why William Shake- Spear was a catholic, or probably catholic?
Why Elizabeth The Great says: "I sent wolves, not shepherds, to govern Ireland, for they have left me nothing to govern over but ashes and carcasses"-> did she understand couses and effects? And the hunger of survivors? Was she THE GREAT or THE MAD like her's father? And MAD also in "Shakespeare's" plays.

Shakespear:
"A horse, a horse, my kingdom for a horse!"

Saving from Oblivion.