faithfulness or fidleity

[cacian]

could you once have been an infidel? or do you see yourself one?
ode ye faithful till sin tucks us rusks!!.
is the human mind weaker then otherwise suggested and temptation far more superior then it?

what are your thoughts/the truth?

[Hwo Thumb]

Point of order: Faithfulness and fidelity mean the same thing.

I also have no idea what "ode ye faithful till sin tucks us rusks!!." means

[Delta40]

Not fidelity, fidleity - which is a whole different ball game

[cacian]

Point of order: Faithfulness and fidelity mean the same thing.

I am not so sure. fidel the infidel usually refers to religion. faithful to couples. again I may well be wrong :)


I also have no idea what "ode ye faithful till sin tucks us rusks!!." means
lol I just made that up it just means we are faithful tin sin does us part.


Not fidelity, fidleity - which is a whole different ball game

haha fidleity too late to recorrect it. still you never know I may have incurred a new word involuntarily.

[PeterL]

I am not so sure. fidel the infidel usually refers to religion. faithful to couples. again I may well be wrong :)

No, he is right: fidelity and faithfulness mean the same thing.


could you once have been an infidel? or do you see yourself one?
ode ye faithful till sin tucks us rusks!!.
is the human mind weaker then otherwise suggested and temptation far more superior then it?

what are your thoughts/the truth?

I am faithful to the Gods and Goddesses; although I do prefer the Goddesses.

The human mind is controlled by cause and effect that tells the subconscious what to do, and the subconscious tells the conscious mind what to do. It doesn't make any difference what you believe or do not believe; you will do as ordered in any case. I regard myself as a more unified human than the average, but that's what I have to write.

Or you might say: we are all aithful to our causes.

[Oedipus]

Infidelity is faithfulness to oneself above others.

[YesNo]

I am faithful to the Gods and Goddesses; although I do prefer the Goddesses.


I prefer the Goddesses as well.

In general I'm an infidel with respect to many belief systems, most of which I'm not even aware of.

[cacian]

No, he is right: fidelity and faithfulness mean the same thing.

sure but why two words to say one thing?
fidelity is French for fidel not to be mistaken with fidel castro god forbid.


I am faithful to the Gods and Goddesses; although I do prefer the Goddesses.

The human mind is controlled by cause and effect that tells the subconscious what to do, and the subconscious tells the conscious mind what to do. It doesn't make any difference what you believe or do not believe; you will do as ordered in any case. I regard myself as a more unified human than the average, but that's what I have to write.

Or you might say: we are all aithful to our causes.
aithful? haha.
I like to think I am the one that controls the mind. the conscious is mine to do as I wish. it is a question of practice.


Infidelity is faithfulness to oneself above others.
how is that?

I prefer the Goddesses as well.

In general I'm an infidel with respect to many belief systems, most of which I'm not even aware of.

why do you prefer goddesses?
I agree about not being aware. that is so funny the way you put it.:p

[YesNo]

why do you prefer goddesses?


Were I female, the Gods might be more attractive. Actually, I like the name, "Saraswati", which refers to a Goddess, although I don't know much about her. There is always Venus.

[Mohammad Ahmad]

infidel vs faithful
The human mind always is strong, but the soul is either weak or strong.
The one which can stop against temptation is strong the opposite one is waek

[PeterL]

sure but why two words to say one thing?
fidelity is French for fidel not to be mistaken with fidel castro god forbid.


Why not two or more words that mean the same thing. That's one of the effects of English having been composed from several languages, and from different people using words a little differently. As it happens, both fidelity and faithfulness are from the Latin fides.through French but at different times or by different people. Some forms are more formal than others. SAOme were shaped into more English forms, while others retained their roots.

[Oedipus]

how is that?

Fidelity is repression for the sake of another; that is not being faithful to one's own wants. Wants are a part of the self.

[YesNo]

In relationships, I don't think that fidelity is for the sake of the other. It is for one's own sake since one avoids the pain of leaving.

If I remember, this is described in Larry Young and Brian Alexander's "The Chemistry Between Us", who reviewed the science regarding the chemical reward and punishment system that biases our choices to accept monogamy. I think they would claim that monogamous species, whether prairie voles or humans, have a brain organization that supports, but doesn't require, monogamy. The benefits of this are better child rearing through closer family ties.

[cacian]

Fidelity is repression for the sake of another; that is not being faithful to one's own wants. Wants are a part of the self.

it depends. to want something is natural. to unwant it is not. so unwanting while wanting at the same time is definitely not natural.


In relationships, I don't think that fidelity is for the sake of the other. It is for one's own sake since one avoids the pain of leaving.
sure but I think the issue is with the one being unfaithful. it is not about the action itself it is about the need to do it.


If I remember, this is described in Larry Young and Brian Alexander's "The Chemistry Between Us", who reviewed the science regarding the chemical reward and punishment system that biases our choices to accept monogamy.

I tend to disagree with that. I do not think it is monogamy it is to do with oneself not being able to maintain a single transaction of feelings for one person at any given time. it is in itself an awkward situation in which one finds themselves and in order to retaliate from it they go with someone else.
it is the inability to sustain or develop one's feeling for another within a single transaction that is the case. one does not feel one can because one does not know how to is the issue.



I think they would claim that monogamous species, whether prairie voles or humans, have a brain organization that supports, but doesn't require, monogamy. The benefits of this are better child rearing through closer family ties.
I cannot accept that humans cannot singly act on one thing. I think they are not to know because they cannot feel it or do not how to handle it. to reciprocate one's feeling towards another and remaining or retaining it so for as long as eternity is a task. that is the issue. the inability to reciprocate while retaining the need to remain faithful is challenging because one is not used to containing feelings for that long. so it is short lived and abused if you want. deception looms but it is better then trying to keep on top one's feelings for another.

[Oedipus]

In relationships, I don't think that fidelity is for the sake of the other. It is for one's own sake since one avoids the pain of leaving.

So you're saying that fidelity is a selfish decision?

[YesNo]

I tend to disagree with that. I do not think it is monogamy it is to do with oneself not being able to maintain a single transaction of feelings for one person at any given time. it is in itself an awkward situation in which one finds themselves and in order to retaliate from it they go with someone else.
it is the inability to sustain or develop one's feeling for another within a single transaction that is the case. one does not feel one can because one does not know how to is the issue.

There are other factors involved beside brain chemistry. There is also the free choice (even among prairie voles) to take into account. Even they aren't completely monogamous as I remember. The brain chemistry just set a ground on which other, perhaps more interesting, explanations can operate.


So you're saying that fidelity is a selfish decision?

I believe there is a an unselfish part to it as well, even among prairie voles, that has nothing to do with brain chemistry. I'm just pointing out that the brain chemistry provides a motivation to stay in the relationship that influences what each partner wants to do. Because it is a reward-punishment system, this implies there is freedom to reject the reward or face the punishment.

[MANICHAEAN]

It has always been an article of faith on my part to endeavour to commit the oldest sins in the most original of ways.

[YesNo]

As I think about it, I do enjoy reading stories or watching movies where people commit the oldest sins in the most original ways. Besides saving me the trouble of doing it myself, those characters do it better than I would and all the karmic consequences (hopefully) get resolved in a few hours.