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cacian
10-15-2013, 04:47 AM
Ok this is an idea I had just now which I think will show case our understanding /feelings/apprehension towards different languages the first time we hear them or as we become acquainted to them. one does not need to speak a language to fully sensationalise it.
the idea is to think of ONE language ANY language from the world around you and describe how it makes you feel when you hear it spoken it or attempt to speak it.
this task is a bit like looking at the list of all the flags around the world and describing what they look like and how they make you feel. :)
so take ONE language and describe it. A SAME language can used many times. accents/dialects are also included

example:

English : it has an intellectual sound it. the first time I heard it i was drawn to it.

Russian: the first time I heard it I thought it rudimentary. I still do.

Mohammad Ahmad
10-15-2013, 06:09 AM
I think you want us to share a video link and communicate, it is a good idea we hope to be succeeded....
Ah! Again I would say English has fluent verbal sound

cacian
10-15-2013, 06:19 AM
I think you want us to share a video link and communicate, it is a good idea we hope to be succeeded....
Ah! Again I would say English has fluent verbal sound

that is a point. run a language soundtube to give us an idea haha.

how do you mean by ''a fluent verbal sound''?

Mohammad Ahmad
10-15-2013, 08:16 AM
that is a point. run a language soundtube to give us an idea haha.

how do you mean by ''a fluent verbal sound''?
What do you mean by " a fluent verbal sound?
i.e. it is soft, easy to talk... i.e. . it would be fluent in tongue whether someone has fluent tongue or not!
That's the English language as I think is the easier one of all foreign languages on tongue ....
How could we contrast between French and English ? It is as if we contrast between a soft layer of sands and between a rough ground!!
Don't blame me if I said that... English to me is like the water I drink!
Do you believe me If I say " I prefer English rather than my native language"

cacian
10-15-2013, 09:09 AM
What do you mean by " a fluent verbal sound?
i.e. it is soft, easy to talk... i.e. . it would be fluent in tongue whether someone has fluent tongue or not!
cool :)

That's the English language as I think is the easier one of all foreign languages on tongue ....
How could we contrast between French and English ? It is as if we contrast between a soft layer of sands and between a rough ground!!

interesting although I am not sure many would agree. it was whether it is I do not know considered posh to speak French during the Victorian times as shown in Jane Austen. the language of the educated upper class apparament.



Don't blame me if I said that... English to me is like the water I drink!
I don't I wont ! haha :)

I Do you believe me If I say " I prefer English rather than my native language"
what is your native language?

Mohammad Ahmad
10-15-2013, 11:25 AM
what is your native language?[/QUOTE]

I am from Iraq and my language is the Arabic, moreover I can speak Kurdish....
Of course, the British grammar is the dependable lesson in all our schools from the fifth primary class until the end stages of the study....
As I know that you are from London, whether you are native or not I don't know, however it is a delicious polite charm if I learn from you

cacian
10-15-2013, 11:35 AM
what is your native language?

I am from Iraq and my language is the Arabic, moreover I can speak Kurdish....
Of course, the British grammar is the dependable lesson in all our schools from the fifth primary class until the end stages of the study....
As I know that you are from London, whether you are native or not I don't know, however it is a delicious polite charm if I learn from you

interesting you are taught English at school from primary.
is Kurdish your first language or Arabic?

Mohammad Ahmad
10-16-2013, 10:33 AM
No Kurdish is the second language, I learned it obligatory when I worked as personnel staff In al- Sulaimaniya, a city in the extreme east northern part of Iraq.
A time is in the early seventies decade when I am very young, and when people visited me in that dated time, I could not utter one word, so people looked to me as a pitiful one came to their land and often they would say, the poor is tongueless or mute, therefore I was obliged to learn their language word after word from their mouths directly and in a short time I turned learner and spoke like them even they could not differ whether that I am Arabic or Kurdish ....
Yet you don't answer my question....
Are u native English speaker or not?

cacian
10-16-2013, 02:15 PM
No Kurdish is the second language, I learned it obligatory when I worked as personnel staff In al- Sulaimaniya, a city in the extreme east northern part of Iraq.
A time is in the early seventies decade when I am very young, and when people visited me in that dated time, I could not utter one word, so people looked to me as a pitiful one came to their land and often they would say, the poor is tongueless or mute, therefore I was obliged to learn their language word after word from their mouths directly and in a short time I turned learner and spoke like them even they could not differ whether that I am Arabic or Kurdish ....
Yet you don't answer my question....
Are u native English speaker or not?

I am not a native English speaker but would like to be haha ;)

Nick Capozzoli
10-18-2013, 01:55 AM
My native language is English, but I grew up having to speak Italian because my Grandmother who lived with us immigrated to the US (NYC) at the turn of the 20th Century and never really developed English fluency. Her children (my father and my aunts and uncles) were "First Generation" Americans, were truly bilingual, and they always spoke with Grandma in Italian. My siblings and cousins were 2nd Generation, and we were only "facultatively" bilingual. We could speak Italian if necessary, but English is our "first" language.

I did eventually formally "study" Italian in college, to get "better" at it. I think that this study did improve my understanding of Italian. I've even tried to read and "translate" Italian poetry into English, but for some reason I don't think I've been able to do this very well, despite being able to listen to, read, and express myself "fluently" in Italian. I suspect that the problem is that I basically have an English "mindset." In college I studied German and Old English to the point that I can read them rather well. My "fluency" in these languages is still much less than my fluency in Italian. Nonetheless, I have found that I am much more "comfortable" reading texts in German or OE than I am in reading Italian texts. I think that this is because my linguistic "mindset" is English, which is a Germanic language.

This has made me wonder about the differences between languages, and specifically about the abilities of poets to translate works from one language to another.

Mohammad Ahmad
10-18-2013, 09:05 AM
Believe me I supposed that, your language somehow was effected like me, in how often I have spoken Kurdish, the Kurdish vowels affecting on my English utterances, thus sometimes person need not to learn further additional languages, although I have learned French in my higher education yet I think the English language is the best one..
Poetry and history of Englishmen are worthy to be read, I have written a drama is alike the drama of Romeo & Juliet and I have named it Qais and Layla. it discussed real love stories of Arab, thus sometimes I thought that there is associated links between Arabic culture and English culture for instance , in dated history women used to put a bitter material over their breasts in order to wean their babies, this example I read it in the Shakespearean drama Romeo & Juliet and the same habit was noticed with Arabic...
Thus reading literature gives us some of noticeable marks have advantages in comparing history of Nations...
Thus always I would say " Why we read literature" and it is very necessary for both poet and writer