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Kyriakos
09-18-2013, 12:04 PM
http://s17.postimg.org/jkejl6ygv/ankh.png

The above is a shape related to the form known from ancient Egypt as the "Ankh".
I have become interested in it, or rather in a specific variation of it, namely this shape where the above form is a perfect circle, the horizontal shape is a line, and the vertical shape is also a line.

Does anyone know if the form i described is part of any known egyptian hieroglyph? (it doesn't have to be the whole hieroglyph, just part of it will do as well).

If it is also part, or the whole, of any other known symbol of any period, i would be interested in that as well. In a way you could say that it is part of the christian cross, if the circle is replaced by its vertically united diameters (or just one of them, the one continuous with the other line), and the circle stops existing. But i would ideally want a shape where the circle still is there, from past times. :)

More detailed description:

The horizontal line has to be passing through, at its own center, the lower edge of the circle (obviously in the end of the line starting where the circle's horizontal and vertical diameter meet, towards the side of the circle's periphery where the center of that horizontal line passing through it is)... It also has to be larger than the diameter of the circle. The vertical line, also, is larger than the diameter of the circle (in fact it is probably larger than the horizontal line too).

Moreover it has to be a form known from antiquity :)

So basically instead of the shape you have on top in the ankh, you have a circle, the horizontal line is connected to the circle on the edge of its periphery, in the center of that line, and the vertical line is below it. Both the horizontal and the vertical lines are larger than the diameter of the circle. The vertical is probably a bit larger than the horizontal..

cacian
09-18-2013, 01:12 PM
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ankh:
The ankh Egyptian IPAalso known as key of life, the key of the Nile or crux ansata (Latin meaning "cross with a handle"), was the ancient Egyptian hieroglyphic character that read "life", a triliteral sign for the consonants ꜥ-n-ḫ.
It represents the concept of eternal life, which is the general meaning of the symbol[citation needed]. The Egyptian gods are often portrayed carrying it by its loop, or bearing one in each hand, arms crossed over their chest.
the origin of ankh is highly debated[who?] and it is represented by an oval or point-down teardrop set atop a T shape.

I do not understand your question. do you mean is this symbol in the egypitan hierogliphs?
if it is what you are asking then the closest to it is the letter O see the link above .
oh it does remind of the Victorian baby rattles. it is very similar.

Kyriakos
09-18-2013, 02:24 PM
Thanks :D
Hm, the closer i could find is the "Crux Ansata":

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0a/Codex_Glazier_2.JPG/320px-Codex_Glazier_2.JPG

It is still is not what i am looking for. Think of a christian cross. Above the part where the two "lines" meet you have a circle, touching with its southermost point the place where the two lines meet. The circle should be smaller in relation to them than the one in the Crux Ansata :)

cafolini
09-18-2013, 03:15 PM
We are going to have to consult with Hypathia regarding this matter. ROFLMAO

Kyriakos
09-18-2013, 03:29 PM
lol, nice one... You earned +1 perma ignore points :)

Whifflingpin
09-19-2013, 01:55 PM
Try Wikipedia "Coptic Cross"

Kyriakos
09-19-2013, 04:58 PM
Try Wikipedia "Coptic Cross"

Thank you...

I think it is almost entirely the one i was looking for... Those wiki images are just great.