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kev67
08-26-2013, 07:49 PM
written by Anne Frank, possibly the most famous diaryist of all time. Maybe Pepys is more famous but I can't think of too many others. It's probably the most remarkable book I have ever read, but it was hardly a book I enjoyed reading. I found it a hard read, because, obviously, everyone knows what happened to her. Reading the book is a bit like opening the lid on a fourteen-year-old girl's brain. She has a lot of teenage girl complexes and it was not always very pleasant to read. She is quite prickly. When she is not criticizing the people she lives with, her views on other subjects seemed more mature. Anne and her family, another family and a middle-aged man were all hiding in a secret annex next to a warehouse. It sounded very claustrophobic and frightening. Nevertheless the teenagers continued with their studies in preparation for the end of the war. For a while, Anne falls passionately for the son of the other family, which takes her mind off her other problems.

I often wondered how they managed to eke out their money to buy food. They were helped by a team of Dutch people, who brought them food, books and other supplies. I had heard that someone eventually betrayed them, but it seems to me that quite a few people may have suspected there were people hiding there but kept quiet. The warehouse was broken into several times, so possibly it was a criminal who betrayed them I think one of their helpers was arrested for sheltering another family. Maybe the Gestapo got to him or followed him.

There were some other surprises. Anne often comments on how the war is progressing. They all listened to the BBC news reports on the radio. I was not aware that Jews knew they were being sent to death camps. Obviously they knew they were being rounded up by the Nazis, but not that they might be gassed. I also was not aware that the allies bombed Dutch cities. It was very sad that it took so long to get the invasion under way. They were still in hiding at D-Day, but were arrested shortly after. That must have been a tryly terrifying experience. Anne and her sister died of typhus in Bergen Belsen two or three months before it was liberated. Peter, the son of the other family died only three days before his camp was liberated. The only one to survive was Anne's father Otto.

The Atheist
08-27-2013, 02:15 PM
Yes, it is a magnificent story.

It's another one of those stories which make one wonder why people still think wars are a good idea.

As a young fella, I knew a Dutch couple who were decorated for harbouring Jews during the war. Luckily, Dutch people are very clannish and while there was little open resistance, there were many, many families who risked their own children's lives to save their Jewish friends from the murder camps.

Now, that's guts.

Aylinn
08-27-2013, 02:24 PM
There were some other surprises. Anne often comments on how the war is progressing. They all listened to the BBC news reports on the radio. I was not aware that Jews knew they were being sent to death camps. Obviously they knew they were being rounded up by the Nazis, but not that they might be gassed.

Well, the information on what is really going on was initially received with mistrust and the Jews from western Europe, at least a great amount of them, didn't have idea of what is going on at the beginning, as Nazi Germans were telling them that they are going to work in some town and were perfidiously nice to them, for example, they were apologizing for the inconveniences during the journey and when the Jews from western Europe arrived and before they realized what lied in store for them, the Nazis asked them to write in letters to their relatives that everything is ok and that they should come too. Polish Jews, on the other hand, were fully aware of the situation and the Nazis didn't even bother to hide the truth from them.

hannah_arendt
08-27-2013, 03:24 PM
Diary of Anne Frank is also very interesting document because her way of writting about II world war, not only war as a war but also things happening in her family, such as quarrels with her sister.

qimissung
08-27-2013, 09:12 PM
I loved this book as a young girl myself. I haven't ever re-read it. I'm sure the parts where she comes across as the teenager she is could be a trifle annoying. She apparently had a reputation among her friends for being somewhat shallow. But her writing is very assured for someone so young, and as Hannah Arendt points out, she provides an eyewitness account to the events of the war.

cafolini
09-02-2013, 11:41 AM
Regardless of all the petty questioning on this thread, anyone questioning the validity of the diary and its importance has to have lost all sense. This is not a great piece because it became so famous. On the contrary, it became so famous because it's a great exposure of the Nazi madness.

The Atheist
09-02-2013, 04:29 PM
Cafolini: have you tried reading a thread before responding to it?


Regardless of all the petty questioning on this thread,...

What "petty questioning"? None exists.


...anyone questioning the validity of the diary and its importance has to have lost all sense.

Luckily, nobody in the thread's done that either.

Nice double-fail.

cafolini
09-02-2013, 04:53 PM
Cafolini: have you tried reading a thread before responding to it?



What "petty questioning"? None exists.



Luckily, nobody in the thread's done that either.

Nice double-fail.

I didn't pickup any teenage complexes in Anne Frank. But with yours, it has always been enough.

Lemonade
09-02-2013, 05:09 PM
They were helped by a team of Dutch people, who brought them food, books and other supplies. I had heard that someone eventually betrayed them, but it seems to me that quite a few people may have suspected there were people hiding there but kept quiet. The warehouse was broken into several times, so possibly it was a criminal who betrayed them I think one of their helpers was arrested for sheltering another family. Maybe the Gestapo got to him or followed him.

It is proven that they were betrayed. The Nazi officer who arrested them and one of his helpers later told they received a phone call about them.
I've been to the Anne Frank house several times, it's really small. They lived there for years, with too many people and it's quite depressing to be honest.

kev67
09-15-2013, 03:32 PM
I think the version of this book that I read was a recent, less censored version. Otto Frank censored quite a few of her diary entries, which made her seem more angelic than she was. I have to say, I was quite surprised to read her description of her genitals. I am not surprised that did not make the first edition.