Are you in love?

[osho]

Not necessarily through nuptial relationships. I am talking in its truest sense. This is a daring question and demanding a daring answer.

[RicMisc]

Gosh, I don't know. I am dating, but terribly confused. Why do people even bother..

[osho]

Great! And I congratulate. Let them bother and their bothering will not matter when you are deeply in. Now you are dating and this is an entrance only and when you are deeply in no one can bother you. Go forward.

[cafolini]

Not necessarily through nuptial relationships. I am talking in its truest sense. This is a daring question and demanding a daring answer.

You are talking about infatuation again.

“The biggest mistake any of us can make is thinking that love is a feeling, an emotion. It's not that at all. It's an action.”
― Luanne Rice, Follow the Stars Home

[cacian]

You are talking about infatuation again.

“The biggest mistake any of us can make is thinking that love is a feeling, an emotion. It's not that at all. It's an action.”
― Luanne Rice, Follow the Stars Home

''no action without feeling'' if I may say so ;)

[cafolini]

''no action without feeling'' if I may say so ;)

Osho has it in reverse. He expects action from the feeling. What are you Caciawinking about?

[cacian]

Osho has it in reverse. He expects action from the feeling. What are you Caciawinking about?

winking!!! haha well nothing really just happen to like the emo :D

[Darcy88]

Nope. I'm in oxytocin recovery. Vile soul-lowering intoxicant.

What alcoholic inebriation does to the brain and tobacco inhalation does to the lungs, romantic love does to the heart. Love of family, of friends and of humanity in general are far nobler in my opinion than this petty delusion of romantic love. The latter squanders one's capacity to fully possess and express the other far nobler three.

[Ecurb]

To Carthage I came, where there sang all around me in my ears a cauldron of unholy loves. I loved not yet, yet I loved to love, and out of a deep-seated want, I hated myself for wanting not. I sought what I might love, in love with loving, and safety I hated, and a way without snares. For within me was a famine of that inward food, Thyself, my God; yet, through that famine I was not hungered; but was without all longing for incorruptible sustenance, not because filled therewith, but the more empty, the more I loathed it. For this cause my soul was sickly and full of sores, it miserably cast itself forth, desiring to be scraped by the touch of objects of sense. Yet if these had not a soul, they would not be objects of love. To love then, and to be beloved, was sweet to me; but more, when I obtained to enjoy the person I loved, I defiled, therefore, the spring of friendship with the filth of concupiscence, and I beclouded its brightness with the hell of lustfulness; and thus foul and unseemly, I would fain, through exceeding vanity, be fine and courtly. I fell headlong then into the love wherein I longed to be ensnared. My God, my Mercy, with how much gall didst Thou out of Thy great goodness besprinkle for me that sweetness? For I was both beloved, and secretly arrived at the bond of enjoying; and was with joy fettered with sorrow-bringing bonds, that I might be scourged with the iron burning rods of jealousy, and suspicions, and fears, and angers, and quarrels.

Augustine, it appears, goes along with Darcy88.

[OrphanPip]

I'd say yes. Me and the bf are planning on getting married in December with what little money and minimal ceremony we can manage (though I think he'd prefer the pomp of a big wedding if it was in our price range).

[Darcy88]

Augustine, it appears, goes along with Darcy88.

I'm a fan of Augustine. But I don't agree with his stance on sex. I have nothing against sex. I just want no part of romantic love. At present the two are inextricably conjoined in me but I hope someday to be able to enjoy the one without falling victim to the other. I do agree with much of that quote though Augustine took to despising the pleasures of the flesh to a far out neurotic degree.


I'd say yes. Me and the bf are planning on getting married in December with what little money and minimal ceremony we can manage (though I think he'd prefer the pomp of a big wedding if it was in our price range).

That is awesome Pip! Congratulations.

[OrphanPip]

That is awesome Pip! Congratulations.

Thank you, we haven't even told our families yet, it's going to be very small since we're doing it at City Hall.

[osho]

I often wonder what kind of love we are in and love and making love are two different things and most take one thing for the other.

Bodily contact is a necessity and what comes through it and will remain throughout the rest of life is the result of true love. What I see is infatuation only and that is why most relationships cannot be sustained.

Today the world hungers for emotional fulfillment. Physical fulfillment is a short lived thing. Today emotional deprivation is the result of a limited approach towards building a relationship.

[faithosaurus]

Pretty sure I am not and have never been. I mean, my own stepfather told me I have a heart of stone.

[papayahed]

I'd say yes. Me and the bf are planning on getting married in December with what little money and minimal ceremony we can manage (though I think he'd prefer the pomp of a big wedding if it was in our price range).

Congrats!!

[Helga]

I have never been in love, and I have kinda lost faith in men for some (or many) reason(s). Maybe someone will prove me wrong one day.

[JuniperWoolf]

I'm not right now, but I love being in love and look forward to the next time.


I'd say yes. Me and the bf are planning on getting married in December with what little money and minimal ceremony we can manage (though I think he'd prefer the pomp of a big wedding if it was in our price range).

Congratulations, Pip. A small wedding at Montreal's city hall in the dead of winter, that has a poetic feel to it. I'd actually prefer that to the usual wedding.

[osho]

Everybody is in love and if not romantically, sexually or for sexual gratification or for physical needs or the infatuated kind. Without love with or for something life will be totally meaningless, yes absolutely lifeless.

If not for men or women one would indeed may have a feeling for animals or plants or for poetry or music or humanity.

However here we are mainly concerned for romantic love to fulfill both physical / sexual urges or emotional satisfaction

For the very physical construct of our body we inevitably need romance. Both emotional and the attachment of the flesh.

[cafolini]

I have never been in love, and I have kinda lost faith in men for some (or many) reason(s). Maybe someone will prove me wrong one day.

Maybe that's a good thing. You might freeze the poor guy.
Osho would die on first touch.

[Darcy88]

I don't think I could even in good conscience enter into a state of romantic love and take possession of another girl's heart knowing now how firm is my resolve to not ever have children. I know of a guy who had to end a 7 year blissful relationship because he and his partner could not come to an agreement on this issue. I like to date women my own age and in a few years I'll have reached that age when having kids becomes a compelling proposition for a woman.

[qimissung]

I'd say yes. Me and the bf are planning on getting married in December with what little money and minimal ceremony we can manage (though I think he'd prefer the pomp of a big wedding if it was in our price range).

Congratulations, Pip!

I'd kind of like to fall in like, myself. If I were to marry, I would prefer minimal pomp, but a green and leafy minimalism would be great.

[loe]

Without love with or for something life will be totally meaningless, yes absolutely lifeless.
No. It's just a rather fatalistic way of living, which makes life much more pleasant.
When there is no need of being afraid of losing someone/something loved all the time, it's easier to spend more time with filling out ones life with life...

[free]

Not at the moment, but I am looking forward to it. If anyone is interested in love and how to make it work, I would recommend the Erich Fromm's 'The Art of Love'. I mostly agree with his views about love.

[OrphanPip]

Thanks for the well wishes everyone, I feel a little self-conscious for having brought it up. I normally keep my private life off the forum.

[Paulclem]

Congrats too Pip. it's nice to see people happy.

[Delta40]

Congratulations Pip. I love the word pomp btw...

I have loved from afar for some reason.

[Darcy88]

For the very physical construct of our body we inevitably need romance. Both emotional and the attachment of the flesh.

I get as great a sense of enjoyment and fulfillment sitting solitary on a beach or up a mountain, meditatively communing with nature and with deep wonder and gratitude taking in its sublime purity and beauty, as I do from romance and sex. Music too. True love is undoubtably a peak experience, but it is one of many. A luxury, not a necessity.

[presun]

Not all women want children.. you could surely find someone like-minded

[presun]

Not with any animate object, no. But hope to be someday, at least to find out what all the fuss is about!!
i thought i would mention a quote that stuck with me - “The only obsession everyone wants: 'love.' People think that in falling in love they make themselves whole? The Platonic union of souls? I think otherwise. I think you're whole before you begin. And the love fractures you. You're whole, and then you're cracked open.”

[*Classic*Charm*]

I don't think I could even in good conscience enter into a state of romantic love and take possession of another girl's heart knowing now how firm is my resolve to not ever have children. I know of a guy who had to end a 7 year blissful relationship because he and his partner could not come to an agreement on this issue. I like to date women my own age and in a few years I'll have reached that age when having kids becomes a compelling proposition for a woman.

There are women out there who feel the same way you do. I don't want children and that was a factor in my own recent break-up. You're right though- don't let yourself in if that's something you don't agree on.

As it is, I am not in love.

Also, CONGRATS PIP!! :)

[JuniperWoolf]

I don't think I could even in good conscience enter into a state of romantic love and take possession of another girl's heart knowing now how firm is my resolve to not ever have children. I know of a guy who had to end a 7 year blissful relationship because he and his partner could not come to an agreement on this issue. I like to date women my own age and in a few years I'll have reached that age when having kids becomes a compelling proposition for a woman.

Not all women, just find one who doesn't want children.

Edit: like Classic said.

[Ecurb]

Like lots of men, I didn't want to have kids, until I had one. We don't always know what is best for us, or what will make our lives better.

[OrphanPip]

I wouldn't be too adverse to children, but I know it's not the easiest prospect because of the high cost of the options available to me.

[Ecurb]

Would you adopt or hire a surrogate mother, OrphanPip? I wonder (sometimes) about the morality of open adoption and surrogate mothers. It seems a lot like baby selling, to me (although I admit that I know little about it). Congratulations, by the way.

[OrphanPip]

Would you adopt or hire a surrogate mother, OrphanPip? I wonder (sometimes) about the morality of open adoption and surrogate mothers. It seems a lot like baby selling, to me (although I admit that I know little about it). Congratulations, by the way.

My personal preference would probably be fostering with potential adoption, but surrogacy is appealing to have children that are biologically yours.

[Ecurb]

Just to clarify, I don't think all surrogacy is morally questionable. It's only surrogacy for money that concerns me.

[OrphanPip]

I'm not sure I'd agree with the prospect of paying someone for surrogacy either, though volunteer is an option.

[Nacht-Jagen]

I am indeed in love. In love with the night. Everything about the night makes me feel happy. The cold air, the beautiful stars, the lonely moon, the black sky, the dark people, the dark music. It all makes me feel loved. I'm only truly home at night time. The sun... Feels unnatural to me. Life shouldn't be so... Bright. Hot. Uncomfortable. Night is also stereotyped around intelligence as well, which I believe is the only real power. If knowledge is power, then I want to be the best student in the world. And, the night has so much more to teach than the day. This is my love.

[cacian]

can one answer like this:
i am not in love i am married?!
not that i am just saying.... :D

[osho]

can one answer like this:
i am not in love i am married?!
not that i am just saying.... :D

Love, romance, marriage and sex. Do they always go together? People having sex with others are really deeply in love? Do people rise a little over and above sensual pleasures when love sway and swing their hearts? Does love demand physical intimacy?

[cacian]

Love, romance, marriage and sex. Do they always go together? People having sex with others are really deeply in love? Do people rise a little over and above sensual pleasures when love sway and swing their hearts? Does love demand physical intimacy?

well I tend to think that falling in love is the easy bit staying or growing to love someone is the difficult bit.
falling out of love is gradual but possible.
staying in love is a task and one that both parties involved must work at. it is easy to fall out of love when two do not see eye to eye.
the other thing is matrimony is just a piece paper it does not add or distract from feelings but it can be destructibe if the outcome of the marriage is to fail.
having feelings for someone and maintaining is harder then one thinks because it means dedication honesty communication and staying faithful.
this all takes a lot of work but if one is not trained to think through these steps then love is neglected or misunderstood and subsequently one has failed because one does not know how to go about feelings.
lesson in feelings and how to nurture them is what one needs if one is to fall in love and stay that way.

[cafolini]

When love is not the firm commitment of an action, it fades away as fast as it comes. Of course, often it leaves children homeless at home.

[cafolini]

LOL,prendreledick. Too many people viewing just an ale.

[Maria May]

No,and I'm not sure if I ever want to fall in love...I enjoy being alone.

[cacian]

No,and I'm not sure if I ever want to fall in love...I enjoy being alone.

Hi Maria if only it was down to us to decide. falling in love is like a leaf falling of a tree nature implied.
being alone is fun for a while but I think long term it may impact on one's personality. :)

[kushy]

Yes with my husband...............:)

[Maria May]

Hi Maria if only it was down to us to decide. falling in love is like a leaf falling of a tree nature implied.
being alone is fun for a while but I think long term it may impact on one's personality. :)

Well,I guess you're right xD...I'm still a teenager and I have enough time to fall in love,but I really don't know who'll fall in love with me.People usually don't talk to me,they think I'm weird,although I don't think that I'm very different from them.

[cacian]

Well,I guess you're right xD...I'm still a teenager and I have enough time to fall in love,but I really don't know who'll fall in love with me.People usually don't talk to me,they think I'm weird,although I don't think that I'm very different from them.

ah now that makes a big difference. teenage time is different so yes enjoy the peace and quite of independent life :)

[cafolini]

I don't think I could even in good conscience enter into a state of romantic love and take possession of another girl's heart knowing now how firm is my resolve to not ever have children. I know of a guy who had to end a 7 year blissful relationship because he and his partner could not come to an agreement on this issue. I like to date women my own age and in a few years I'll have reached that age when having kids becomes a compelling proposition for a woman.

You unruly Canadian. Your position is tenable. But I'm almost getting ready to be your Douglas Bader for the rest.

[Darcy88]

You unruly Canadian. Your position is tenable. But I'm almost getting ready to be your Douglas Bader for the rest.

Come on Caf ol' buddy. Men far greater than myself have chosen not to reproduce and many of my heroes never married.

[Ecurb]

.... many of my heroes never married.

How did you know I've never married?

[cacian]

How did you know I've never married?

Ecurb I am not sure you can ask this question just yet unless you are a very old man LOL which you are not ;)
sorry I just had to post this.

[cacian]

Come on Caf ol' buddy. Men far greater than myself have chosen not to reproduce and many of my heroes never married.

interesting because to be that great the instinct is to reproduce and get more greater then great. it is hereditary or runs in the family right? :)

[osho]

Well,I guess you're right xD...I'm still a teenager and I have enough time to fall in love,but I really don't know who'll fall in love with me.People usually don't talk to me,they think I'm weird,although I don't think that I'm very different from them.

I do not know you much but I am sure once you mature people will fall in love with you. One has to flower, i.e., one has to mature physically and emotionally to be attracted. Though beauty does play a vital role but it is not the physical or external beauty that hooks a person and beauty is not to be precluded and beauty and the combination of others things a person irresistibly attractive and others repulsing. Some get too many and at times an unmanageable number of lovers and others go alone on their own.

Love, sex, romance and the rest of attributes are the properties of some lucky ones. Having said this love and attractiveness can be cultivated and it is not the physical beauty but the way one presents. It is in part the way we communicate and use the words and nobody can go untouched by the temptress since the bodily chemicals have to respond the stimuli.

Some girls are worried because they are s much teased and others are worried because nobody turns to them. But the ones who have no one to get on together are unskilled. Beauty and love are cultivable attributes and we all are capable of loving others and being loved.

Of course we will have to flower and the bees will find us irresistible. That is a saying in my part of the world and I do not about the things in other cultures.

[cacian]

I do not know you much but I am sure once you mature people will fall in love with you. One has to flower, i.e., one has to mature physically and emotionally to be attracted. Though beauty does play a vital role but it is not the physical or external beauty that hooks a person and beauty is not to be precluded and beauty and the combination of others things a person irresistibly attractive and others repulsing. Some get too many and at times an unmanageable number of lovers and others go alone on their own.

Love, sex, romance and the rest of attributes are the properties of some lucky ones. Having said this love and attractiveness can be cultivated and it is not the physical beauty but the way one presents. It is in part the way we communicate and use the words and nobody can go untouched by the temptress since the bodily chemicals have to respond the stimuli.

Some girls are worried because they are s much teased and others are worried because nobody turns to them. But the ones who have no one to get on together are unskilled. Beauty and love are cultivable attributes and we all are capable of loving others and being loved.

Of course we will have to flower and the bees will find us irresistible. That is a saying in my part of the world and I do not about the things in other cultures.

hi osho and nice to see you back. :)

love is a perplexity
no one really knows
but give it lacity
and everyone pose

what I mean is that love is complex when one is but if one is willing flexible thoughtful because one thinks about the meaning of lover longer then it shall sit stronger.
that is to say love is an individual with feelings treat correctly and it shall stick around for as long as you wish you but treat carelessly and it won't. I think that is a fair call.

[B. Laumness]

Oui, profoundly, for a couple of years now with my Becky, formerly Vonny.

[liza]

No, I am in hate :):mad2:

[Pensive]

No, and rather glad about it.
Too old for this stuff anyway.

[rickyjhon]

yea... but i didn't found any trust able girl to marry... i need something very friendly and loving girl friend .. so i am still wait for my dream girl.... :(

[lightsout]

That's a pretty interesting question because I was asked so many times in the past 20 month. The last times I had a crush I wasn't very "successful" ;) I think I was in love twice - first during my longest relationship (long - ehm, 2,5 years) and I still love this person after all this years because he's absolutely my best (male) friend and I know him since 12 years. But it's not that kind of love you're all talking about. It's more familiar. After this relationship I had a second and I was really in love with this guy, but the relationship just last for one year. I broke up because it didn't fit. Really, there was no chance. It's almost three years ago and since that ending I just read about THAT kind of love in books :D I'm in love with my family and my friends, but sometimes (I'm 28) I query whether I'm a person who fall in love quickly or easily. But I'm happy for all the people which are in love :)

[Darcy88]

I have given up on love. It is an illusion in my mind, a biochemical interplay, a mixing of pheremones and an arrangement for economic convenience.

[Snowqueen]

I'd kind of like to fall in like, myself. If I were to marry, I would prefer minimal pomp, but a green and leafy minimalism would be great.

Great! Just saw your post, Qimi. And don't forget to invite me. :thumbsup:

[Delta40]

My vocabulary dries up on the topic of love

[Bluehound]

Yes I am very much in love, I have just spent a couple of days and nights without my love and I really felt lost , deflated and even as if there was something physically wrong with me. Not bad for 13 years of marriage :)

[Ecurb]

I have given up on love. It is an illusion in my mind, a biochemical interplay, a mixing of pheremones and an arrangement for economic convenience.

Why would that make you give up on love? Have you given up on all illusions, pheremones, and economic conveniences?

[Megan McCluskey]

No. When I have been I am muddle headed and fuzzy. Like being drunk on very good, very rare wine. Alas lately I am clearheaded and sober.

[Oedipus]

No, thankfully I've managed to avoid. My heart is in too many pieces already.

[Lykren]

Yes, but she isn't :(

[JuniperWoolf]

I'm not right now, but I love being in love and look forward to the next time.

Like a lamb to the slaughter, July Juniper. Idiot.

[tanveer shah]

How to Tell if You Are in Love.Than i think 3 ways to tell if you are in love..
1-Notice What You Think
2-Notice What You Feel
3-Notice What You Do

[Satan]

I'm in love with girls with little-to-no gag reflex. For now.

[liza]

I'm in love with girls with little-to-no gag reflex. For now.

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[Satan]

what is the little-to-no-gag reflex?

It's so far beyond the scope of this forum that Scher and her minions will be hunting both of us with bloodhounds and machetes.

[zituz]

I'm not in fallin in love yet bcoz im still looking for my soulmate...

[Buh4Bee]

Disgusting comment!

[Satan]

Disgusting comment!
That was the point.

At what point do reasons for falling in love with someone become superficial? What do we really fall in love with - the whole person, a subset of their persona, strong physical attraction with the said person, or merely the feeling of loving someone because it negates the solipsistic, self-centered personalities we carry in order to be functional units of society? Why is falling in love with a girl for the aforementioned reason is less acceptable than the color of her eyes, her smile, or hundreds of other random romantic things?

Explain away.

[Helga]

I have no idea what love is, except love for a child or pets, but that is not the love people here are taking about I guess. I think people are too preoccupied with some idea of one person for them.

I like this song about love and it shows a more realistic view than most about love:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEdBIbE_x2U

also it's funny and I think fun is important in love (also his song 'If I didn't have you')

As a teenager I always saw myself as Helena in Midsummer night's dream, crazy about someone who liked another girl and in the end he'll need a magic flower to fall for me. Now I just think I need to have time.

[Buh4Bee]

It's an exhausted question, the same as why do I exist? It's really quite simple; love happens between to people when one learns to risk giving love without expecting anything back. It's a gamble and nothing is guaranteed.

[Anaya Roy]

Nope right now!!

[Hwo Thumb]

I'm in love with my characters!
:D
It makes killing one off that much more fun!

Edit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEdBIbE_x2U

Thanks for introducing me to this guy! He's great!

[creampemutihwaj]

married that truly love

[claytonk983]

No..I am not in love.

[Oedipus]

That was the point.

At what point do reasons for falling in love with someone become superficial? What do we really fall in love with - the whole person, a subset of their persona, strong physical attraction with the said person, or merely the feeling of loving someone because it negates the solipsistic, self-centered personalities we carry in order to be functional units of society? Why is falling in love with a girl for the aforementioned reason is less acceptable than the color of her eyes, her smile, or hundreds of other random romantic things?

Explain away.

A good question and one I've wondered about myself.

There is a kind of atavistic societal conservatism where old romantic ideals are still treated as normal; and for this reason we place, despite the normal urges and responses we have, a taboo on what we may call 'purely lustful' appreciation of the body of the sex we are attracted. Well, perhaps there is a relation to dualism - the soul is seen as including personality or essence, but the apperance, by nature of not being spiritual, is denigrated to make way for this?

The easy answer is simply that we are conditioned to see personality or 'romantic reasons' as better than physical ones. No doubt there are any number of forces at play here. One may prevent feeling shallow by pretending - and almost always it is pure pretension and humbug - to appreciate those romantc things.

Is a system that places more importance on the body somehow incorrect compared to one that places it on those romantic reasons?

[Darcy88]

How could anyone love me? I'm not me. I'm just some guy who looks like someone who is important and desirable. I have no ambition of my own anymore. Edward Cullen and now Edward Snowden. That name, that damn name will haunt me until I die. Who am I? I have no identity, there is nothing for someone else to love. But I'm content. Sleep half the day, get endorphins from food and exercise instead of from sex. Spend time in nature, with friends. Get drunk. Perhaps use my savant skills to do some card-sharking but probably just stay up late binging on peanut butter sandwiches while watching brain-numbing television, another of my generation's keen minds sadly sunken in ennui, yet another rotten stump in the vast desolation that this culture has become.

[barbara0207]

No. My husband died and I think I'll never love another man.

[free]

Yes, but she isn't :(

Same here, only: they weren't....Because it has not happened only once....................

[Oedipus]

winking!!! haha well nothing really just happen to like the emo :D

Cacien. I am an honest person, so must tell the truth; and in this way pay my debts - for example, to you.

As far as I can tell, your poor grammer, punctuation and nonsensical comments have produced a hatred of you in many of this forums denizens, or at least dislike; that at least is what I have been told. I don't know what I'm disgusted at, but I am disgusted at some thing here - hypocrisy? Shallow-mindedness? Often I doubt whether I deserve to live.

At any rate that is my impression on the impression thou hast made.

[cacian]

Cacien. I am an honest person, so must tell the truth; and in this way pay my debts - for example, to you.

As far as I can tell, your poor grammer, punctuation and nonsensical comments have produced a hatred of you in many of this forums denizens, or at least dislike; that at least is what I have been told. I don't know what I'm disgusted at, but I am disgusted at some thing here - hypocrisy? Shallow-mindedness? Often I doubt whether I deserve to live.

At any rate that is my impression on the impression thou hast made.

hi Oedipus life is for living and whoever told you about myself must be mistaken and must not be taken seriously. the expression 'hatred of me' sounds rather offensive but does not affect me in anyway I must assure you.
hypocrisy yes I agree is not a good thing. I sure think you must not feel down about yourself because there is more to you then you think.
to challenge oneself in the face of anything is what life is all about. :)

[Oedipus]

hi Oedipus life is for living and whoever told you about myself must be mistaken and must not be taken seriously. the expression 'hatred of me' sounds rather offensive but does not affect me in anyway I must assure you.
hypocrisy yes I agree is not a good thing. I sure think you must not feel down about yourself because there is more to you then you think.
to challenge oneself in the face of anything is what life is all about. :)

I noticed something the other day regarding suicide.

It was said, 'could one kill oneself in order to cause others pain, intentionally?' -and they said 'no, because you have no way of knowing they will feel pain, and you won't be around to experience and see it'

BUT - you shouldn't kill yourself because 'those close to you' would be hurt. But the same arguments against suicide as intentional attempt to hurt also show that one shouldn't care about this; because you won't be able to notice this pain and anyway cannot know it will be there.

Actually there are no real arguments against suicide.

"I sure think you must not feel down about yourself because there is more to you then you think". Everything about me is disgusting so this would mean there is simply more to be disgusted with.

[cacian]

I noticed something the other day regarding suicide.

It was said, 'could one kill oneself in order to cause others pain, intentionally?' -and they said 'no, because you have no way of knowing they will feel pain, and you won't be around to experience and see it'

BUT - you shouldn't kill yourself because 'those close to you' would be hurt. But the same arguments against suicide as intentional attempt to hurt also show that one shouldn't care about this; because you won't be able to notice this pain and anyway cannot know it will be there.

Actually there are no real arguments against suicide.

"I sure think you must not feel down about yourself because there is more to you then you think". Everything about me is disgusting so this would mean there is simply more to be disgusted with.

suicide is sad and does not compensate in the long run. killing oneself is tragic to both parties. and yes I agree whilst one commits it one does not get to experience the effect it has on others albeit obvious dying in this way is very damaging to others involved.

there is plenty of arguments against suicide more then one thinks. what makes you think there is not?

why do you keep saying the word disgusting about you? what real argument have you got to justify it?
the word disgusting is vast and can mean all sorts.

[Oedipus]

why do you keep saying the word disgusting about you? what real argument have you got to justify it?
the word disgusting is vast and can mean all sorts.

Indeed; and the vast range of ways it is possible to be disgusted in have been demonstrated to me; I have watched others' reaction to me.

[cacian]

Indeed; and the vast range of ways it is possible to be disgusted in have been demonstrated to me; I have watched others' reaction to me.

ever thought people's reactions to anything is to do with their own volition rather then yours? in other words people react differently to different things depending on their own strengths and weaknesses.
disgust is usually a physical thing to do with feeling hurt. that is how I express disgust. the physical outlook has nothing to do with it. disgust is usually in reference to something done that has affected people's morality or well being. it is an adverse reaction to something bad. how is that to do with you?

[Calidore]

Cacien. I am an honest person, so must tell the truth; and in this way pay my debts - for example, to you.

As far as I can tell, your poor grammer, punctuation and nonsensical comments have produced a hatred of you in many of this forums denizens, or at least dislike; that at least is what I have been told. I don't know what I'm disgusted at, but I am disgusted at some thing here - hypocrisy? Shallow-mindedness? Often I doubt whether I deserve to live.

At any rate that is my impression on the impression thou hast made.

Cacian, as with many, many others here, is not a native English speaker. And I think you're greatly exaggerating others' reactions to her, as you seem to enjoy doing others' reactions to yourself. I, for one, have noticed her relative absence lately and am happy to see her posting again.

[Oedipus]

And I think you're greatly exaggerating others' reactions to .... yourself.

One cannot exaggerate infinity

[free]

I, for one, have noticed her relative absence lately and am happy to see her posting again.

Me, too, Calidore. :smile5:

[Volya]

Cacian, as with many, many others here, is not a native English speaker. And I think you're greatly exaggerating others' reactions to her, as you seem to enjoy doing others' reactions to yourself. I, for one, have noticed her relative absence lately and am happy to see her posting again.

I don't think you're looking hard enough Calidore... There is with 100% certainty a strong 'anti-cacian' sentiment among some users.

[Calidore]

I don't think you're looking hard enough Calidore... There is with 100% certainty a strong 'anti-cacian' sentiment among some users.

Sure, some users, but so what? Anyone who gets so hot and bothered by someone who doesn't try to bother anyone is suffering from purely self-inflicted headaches. I recommend chill pills and, if necessary, a click of the Ignore button.

[Hwo Thumb]

While were on the subject of love, would anyone care to explain to me why there's an advertisement for a game called League of Angels on my screen that consists entirely of scantily dressed women falling over and breathing heavily for about a minute?

And why there's another ad for the same game that's just a woman stripping to her bathing suit while glowing magically with gratuitous chest shots?

I mean, there's a not-very-fine line between trying to appeal to a male audience and just filling your ads with completely unrelated stripteases.

[Chance33]

Hwo Thumb, the ads reflect things they think you might enjoy based on your history...

And to answer the original question for this thread, yes I am very much so in love with several things. Although a certain phoenix has enflamed my ashes and brought life to my darkness.

[Varenne Rodin]

The great thing about love is that we decide what it means.

[butterflylover]

I would like to think so,I have been with this guy for 3 months now.

[tonywalt]

I think so. She's a model and writer of literary fiction, a great cook, worships me. But most importantly she makes me laugh, i'd dump her ASAP if she didn't.