Dreams

[osho]

Dream at times become reservoirs of inspirations for me and of course at times my creative faculty progresses with dreams. Dreams give me solutions on occasion. I love dreams and I find myself more engrossed in life in dreams than in my reality.

I have heard from people but I doubt its authenticity dreams diminishes our real sleeping. When we are dreaming we are not in our deep or sound sleep.

I want you to share your views on it

[cacian]

dreams are queens of daylight breeze they only appear in sleeps because their nature is to sweep you off your feet from weeds of griefs to pastures of sweets such is the steep the power of sleep.
great topic and I was in fact just thinking about dreaming the other day and I thought to myself this: I had imagined dreams where like from an other life a series of clips films we had starred in when we were in an another life and so when we sleep we get to watch them just like when we watch the television only this time we are in it. Great idea I though to myself and why not? ;)

[cafolini]

I think what you are saying, Osho, is that you conquered nightmares by having some relative control over them in not dreaming (rather not remembering) during sound sleep.

[osho]

I think what you are saying, Osho, is that you conquered nightmares by having some relative control over them in not dreaming (rather not remembering) during sound sleep.

Not at all. I am saying that. I am not addressing any nightmare stuff. I simply want to know whether dreams add to our sound sleep or it reduces it. And there are other issues too I like to know or discuss here.

[Hawkman]

As I understand it, dreaming occurs during REM sleep, that is rapid eye movement. REM sleep is not as deep as dreamless sleep. Sometimes the mechanisms which control the body's physical movement are bypassed or short circuited when the body is dreaming and this can result in very restless sleep. In this case it is quite possible to wake oneself up or enter into a lucid dream state. Obviously this compromises the restorative function of sleeping. On other occasions one can surface slowly from the dream state feeling utterly relaxed, to the extent that one doesn't want to wake up. Naturally this is dependent on what one has been dreaming about. It also depends on whether something is worrying you when you go to sleep. If you are, I think you're more likely to enter into REM sleep, possibly several times in one night. This too will compromise the benefits of sleeping and you are very likely to wake feeling tired.

[LitNetIsGreat]

I guessing that 'loud' dreams reduce the quality of sleep, on a hunch because I remember I once dreamt I had six horrible lessons, one after the other and lived them. I woke up knackered (as I usually do) went to work and had six horrible lessons, one after the other. However, last night I dreamt I was the King of England (I did honestly). However, I still woke up knackered and went to work and had six horrible lessons, one after the other...so I don't know.

[Emil Miller]

I guessing that 'loud' dreams reduce the quality of sleep, on a hunch because I remember I once dreamt I had six horrible lessons, one after the other and lived them. I woke up knackered (as I usually do) went to work and had six horrible lessons, one after the other. However, last night I dreamt I was the King of England (I did honestly). However, I still woke up knackered and went to work and had six horrible lessons, one after the other...so I don't know.

Keep buying the lottery tickets and hope you can retire early from the rat race. I can definitely recommend it as an antidote to the waking-up-knackered syndrome. However, this morning I was awoken by my cat jumping around me and mewing for her food at 5.30 am. I was not best pleased but I got up and gave her something to eat before letting her out and returning to bed for another four hours.
As for dreams, mine are amazingly surreal and far more interesting than my waking hours. Before I was rudley awakened this morning, I was standing in a packed underground train in a station when two police officers plunged through the open doors and dragged a man from among the passengers onto the platform. I have absolutely no idea what it signifies and can't connect it with anything I have seen or read recently.
For some reason many dreams take place on trains or stations where I'm trying to locate the correct platform to go somewhere or other for reasons that are unknown to me. What is surprising is the total clarity of the dreams and not some hazy unreal sequence of events as are sometimes portrayed in films.
Quite recently, I dreamed that I was among a group of people on a coach who were being taken to visit a stately home by none other than David Cameron. When we arrived at the gates, we all descended and followed him into the building and finally finished up sitting on chairs while he and Nick Clegg sat apart with their wives and Ed Milliband cracking dirty jokes. Later, followed by the coach party, they got up and left, but I stopped to examine some architectural feature and lost them which, once again, had me looking for the station to find a train back to London. I eventually hitched a ride in a furniture van driven by a red-headed woman and her male companion.

[LitNetIsGreat]

:lol: Great dream! I'm sure somebody would say the travelling business means you are looking for something, some kind of fulfilment.

I woke up this morning thinking 'Friday crap, oh no it's Saturday, yes' which is a good feeling of course but to wake up without the pressure of it all is the true ideal.

Yes I'll keep buying those lottery tickets. Also Mrs N has forced me to apply for a TV quiz show! My idea of hell, but I suppose I'd be prepared to make a idiot of myself if there is a significant cash reward involved.:skep: Oh god it is too embarrassing for words.

[Emil Miller]

:lol: Great dream! I'm sure somebody would say the travelling business means you are looking for something, some kind of fulfilment.

I woke up this morning thinking 'Friday crap, oh no it's Saturday, yes' which is a good feeling of course but to wake up without the pressure of it all is the true ideal.

Yes I'll keep buying those lottery tickets. Also Mrs N has forced me to apply for a TV quiz show! My idea of hell, but I suppose I'd be prepared to make a idiot of myself if there is a significant cash reward involved.:skep: Oh god it is too embarrassing for words.

If it's Mastermind you could have as your specialist subject The Films of Woody Allen but you might have to bone up on the general knowledge side where the chemical elements, football and pop music are my own bêtes noires.

Some time ago, Jonathan Miller was discussing dreams on a TV programme about the workings of the human brain and he said that he'd watched a film in which Patrick Wymark played Oliver Cromwell at the battle of Naseby. He went to bed and, on sleeping, suddenly found himself piggy back on Patrick Wymark who suddenly broke into a gallop and went haring off across fields, leaping fences and disappearing into the distance.
It's obvious that the dream was contingent on the film but I'm never able to make a connection with dreams and actuality.

[cacian]

Not at all. I am saying that. I am not addressing any nightmare stuff. I simply want to know whether dreams add to our sound sleep or it reduces it. And there are other issues too I like to know or discuss here.

I think dreams add something to our sleep in that it tells us in a way we are alive. When we sleep we are in a way unconscious and so when we dream we are part of a semi profound sleep that conjures up in a series of images that represent something and it is up to you to decide what to make of it. Whether we dream to remember or forget is another issue.
Most dreams are meant to be just that an indication that our mental health our brain is conscious and breathing if you like. So yes I would say it adds to the soundness of our sleeps.

[Darcy88]

Dreams fascinate me to no end. I'm a skeptic in almost all unexplainable things, but I believe that some women are capable of having prophetic dreams. I've known several who have, though not one man.

The only time I've ever been properly in love I would have these dreams whenever I slept next to her that were like some amazing combination of extended orgasm, narcotic euphoria, the stimulation brought on by the appreciation of high art, and the feeling brought about when one, gazing at the stars or alone in the forest, feels at one with nature. I don't recall what it was like in the womb, but I suspect it was similar to this love-induced dream-state I am describing. It sounds crazy but it was unlike anything I've ever experienced before and I know of no other way to describe it.

Dreams have never been an aid to me creatively. My dream are typically pervaded with a profound sense of dread, of anxiety. I usually do not remember them.

I used to listen to the radio when falling asleep only to have it continue playing while I slept. The worst dream I've ever had featured me slaughtering chickens, covered in blood and muck, the entire night long. Then I awoke to the sound of the all news station detailing efforts to eradicate bird flu infected chicken populations. I never again listened to the radio before sleep after that.

[osho]

My question is whether seeing dreams is relaxing or tiring, draining. Nightmares or not I choose to dream no matter what I dream since after dreaming, even if they are dreary, deadly or irksome in the dream I will free myself from the world of woes in this part of the world and will be on the wings of fantasy or imagination for a while which can stimulate my creative ends and that is why I love dreaming no matter wherein I take flight in my dreams.

[cacian]

My question is whether seeing dreams is relaxing or tiring, draining. Nightmares or not I choose to dream no matter what I dream since after dreaming, even if they are dreary, deadly or irksome in the dream I will free myself from the world of woes in this part of the world and will be on the wings of fantasy or imagination for a while which can stimulate my creative ends and that is why I love dreaming no matter wherein I take flight in my dreams.

Dreams are a natural occuring phenomena part of the sleeping patterns and anything natural should not adverse a reaction against our own health.
They are what I call the light behind the night shade when our eyes are closed and our breathing steady our brain is slowly recovering from the amount of day time activities chatter noise stress thoughts as well as the amount of daylight we receive. So at night time the brain recharges and in order to revamp its energy level it turns into dreams which can be described as small snipets of natural light with images taken from reality. It is just a transfiguration of images transferred to our brains then released as we sleep. Call it a clean up or a spring clean of the day passed. Is it relaxing?
it all depends on how the dream occurs? strong weak violent noisy or simply non existant. Eating the wrong food or over eating without any kind of exercise before bed time has an impact on how we dream. If our digestive system is bad then the dreams is most likely to be unpleasant hence tiring.
Lots of cheap salt or even too much processed sugar/fry ups are often linked to nightmares.

[osho]

Dreams are a natural occuring phenomena part of the sleeping patterns and anything natural should not adverse a reaction against our own health.
They are what I call the light behind the night shade when our eyes are closed and our breathing steady our brain is slowly recovering from the amount of day time activities chatter noise stress thoughts as well as the amount of daylight we receive. So at night time the brain recharges and in order to revamp its energy level it turns into dreams which can be described as small snipets of natural light with images taken from reality. It is just a transfiguration of images transferred to our brains then released as we sleep. Call it a clean up or a spring clean of the day passed. Is it relaxing?
it all depends on how the dream occurs? strong weak violent noisy or simply non existant. Eating the wrong food or over eating without any kind of exercise before bed time has an impact on how we dream. If our digestive system is bad then the dreams is most likely to be unpleasant hence tiring.
Lots of cheap salt or even too much processed sugar/fry ups are often linked to nightmares.

In fact life is not ordered and we have different flashes; at times we sleep with somebody we cannot otherwise in reality. Some people are sad just because they had sex with someone they could never think about and of course it is Freud who can interpret and infer such urges and fantasies. When we fall asleep our subconscious minds become active and the conscious mind sleeping. There will be no censorship in your thought processes since there is no moral rule or any social and cultural issues sanctioning our innate desires. If I dream something unusual, socially and culturally disapproving it does not disturb me and I take everything naturally

[cacian]

I see what you mean and yes dreams can be triggered to seem one way because of the way our bodies absorbs light in different various ways which disturb our harmonies.
There is no limits when it comes to dreams and so one would not feel towards it any guilty feelings or discomfort. Maybe the way I see it is that dreams challenge our attitude to see if one gets a reaction but the less reaction and the better for it. Life is a mystery when it comes to dreams and their contents but as I see it take one must take it lightely at least it is a dream and no the reality. One is in fact is spared it by dreaming it which can only be good.
Maybe we need to dream them to avoid doing them in real life and that is what it all boils down to avoidance by supernatural phenomena that is a dream. That is how I feel about it.

[osho]

We dream things since nature does not censor anything but nurture does and in dreams we can go in flights to anything our minds can think of. When we come across a restraint with no bucks to pay for the items we may instinctively like to steal. But our social or moral codes censor the theft and we suppress our minds. When someone sees a beautiful girl or boy at a certain time and in a certain mood, they may naturally want to have sex but our culture, education and memories of something forbid to have pass at each other. But in a dream anything is possible and our beastly natures will be full-blown or manifest. And in my part of the world people become intimidated by such dreams and do something holy in their wakefulness to cleanse themselves.

[cacian]

We dream things since nature does not censor anything but nurture does and in dreams we can go in flights to anything our minds can think of. When we come across a restraint with no bucks to pay for the items we may instinctively like to steal. But our social or moral codes censor the theft and we suppress our minds. When someone sees a beautiful girl or boy at a certain time and in a certain mood, they may naturally want to have sex but our culture, education and memories of something forbid to have pass at each other. But in a dream anything is possible and our beastly natures will be full-blown or manifest. And in my part of the world people become intimidated by such dreams and do something holy in their wakefulness to cleanse themselves.

dreams do not censor because they occur outside the realms of life and people. social or moral codes are prejudged consumption built on assumption that people will do this and that. the minute you tell someone they can't the minute the mind works to wanting to have it.
not everyone wants to sleep with everyone they see or wants to steal or misbehave. All this is because societies wants draw your attention to it by dictating rules to them. It is a manipulative mental distortion that drives people to notice what otherwise we would not notice. I call it a brain teaser.

[osho]

Dreams are panaceas. In fact it untangles our mental knots and one can be free at least in dreams. Of course dreams can give you your most desired things at times. I often get a lot of questions answered in my dreams and at times I learn things new and at others I learn new vocabularies in my dreams and therefore dreams transport you to a globe of freedom and freewill. If it is not for dreams I would have lived like robots, mechanically

[Dreamwoven]

This is a fascinating subject. Carl Jung (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Jung) was particularly interested in it. I've read several books on him and they form an important part of my background and thought. We still have them somewhere and every once in a while I go bcd to them to read them again.