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DystopianGypsy
03-31-2013, 10:26 AM
Hello,

I’ve only posted a few times on this forum, although I’ve been lurking my through different threads for weeks. I’m a literary enthusiast, and I dabble in all genres. Recently I just read a Dostoevsky short story, White Nights.

It was one of the best pieces of literature I’ve ever read. I didn’t know what love was until I read it, and it changed me as person, because of how much it taught me. It was a really hard read, but it was worth the struggle. Now, I’m very eager to read more of his works.

Where should I go next? I’d appreciate any suggestions or thoughts.

Charles Darnay
03-31-2013, 10:50 AM
White Nights is a wonderful, and underrated, story.

If you haven't read any of his novels and a looking to get into them - I recommend The Idiot as a good starting point. Brothers Karamazov is incredible - but requires patience and interest in philosophic materials.

For a good short story along the lines of White Nights - A Tale of A Ridiculous Man is a good one.

osho
03-31-2013, 11:23 AM
If you have the patience and time it is of course the Brothers Karamazov I suggest. This is one of choicest novels, the best among the bests and in terms of philosophy, literary style and narration. From some perspective I find this book the most appealing and I could not find a single page in this book where I came upon a dull and boring stuff. I have read two times and each reading was a new experience. Dostoevsky is indeed a rare writer and he had us traversed such literary distances and expanses that nobody ends up in it without going through transformations. No writer has taught me some deeper truths in life than him.

Jassy Melson
03-31-2013, 11:28 AM
I agree with Charles Darnay--a good next story to read would be The Dream of a Ridiculous Man. Then read Notes from Underground; then The Brothers Karamazov.

Jassy Melson
03-31-2013, 11:33 AM
If you have the patience and time it is of course the Brothers Karamazov I suggest. This is one of choicest novels, the best among the bests and in terms of philosophy, literary style and narration. From some perspective I find this book the most appealing and I could not find a single page in this book where I came upon a dull and boring stuff. I have read two times and each reading was a new experience. Dostoevsky is indeed a rare writer and he had us traversed such literary distances and expanses that nobody ends up in it without going through transformations. No writer has taught me some deeper truths in life than him.
Truer words were never spoken. I remember when I read my first work by Dostoevsky--Notes from Underground. It was like a bolt of lightning had struck me. It woke me up; it actually changed me in that it changed my perception; indeed, even my consciousness. There is only one other novelist that approaches Dostoevsky, and that is Tolstoy.

Charles Darnay
03-31-2013, 11:45 AM
Huh, it is Dream of A Ridiculous Man - my bad.

osho
03-31-2013, 12:04 PM
Truer words were never spoken. I remember when I read my first work by Dostoevsky--Notes from Underground. It was like a bolt of lightning had struck me. It woke me up; it actually changed me in that it changed my perception; indeed, even my consciousness. There is only one other novelist that approaches Dostoevsky, and that is Tolstoy.

I second you and my mind was whirling when I started reading Notes from Underground and I withdrew the reading thinking I am not mature enough to read it and I have to evolve my mind. Maybe after a year or a couple of years I will revisit this great treasure of literature. I am really thrilled to know that there is someone who felt something I felt.

cafolini
03-31-2013, 12:05 PM
White Nights is a wonderful, and underrated, story.

If you haven't read any of his novels and a looking to get into them - I recommend The Idiot as a good starting point. Brothers Karamazov is incredible - but requires patience and interest in philosophic materials.

For a good short story along the lines of White Nights - A Tale of A Ridiculous Man is a good one.

I agree except for the philosophical. I don't think Dostoevski was philosophical, although many tried to categorize him as an existentialist but they failed miserably. It is true that he wrote out about the psychological, but his department was free from deductive and philosophical idiots from the philosophy department. And Brothers was probably a very scientific description that inspired hundreds of the most avantgarde writers, including Carlos Fuentes in The Death of Artemio Cruz.
For me, Brothers was a very straight forward, easy read. Of course, some thinking was required to arcertain intentions.
Philosophy departments are specialists in confusion. When they teach you Plato, for example, they do not say he was a Syracusan and that Socrates never put a foot in Arthens and was a result of a mental invasion of Pericles's Greece when the latter made the desperate mistake of running away from Sparta and invading Syracuse to establish a new trirreme empire. Thales never walked the streets of Athens, and neither did Pythagoras. What about Zeno and BS paradox?
Philosophy was finally instituted in Greece by the Roman conquest and for the Roman conquest. The golden age of Athenian democracy was not philosophical. It was strictly scientific.

WyattGwyon
03-31-2013, 12:54 PM
As a first novel I would recommend Crime and Punishment. It will immediately take over your consciousness like a fever delirium. I think it hits more viscerally than the others and the effect is even stronger if one reads it first.

For shorter fiction I would recommend the novella The Double, which is early and experimental, but about as far "out there" as this author gets.

kidstone
03-31-2013, 01:36 PM
'The Dream of a Ridiculous Man' is an incredible short story, and 'The Brothers Karamozov' is among the best novels ever written.

Delarge
03-31-2013, 01:44 PM
As a first novel I would recommend Crime and Punishment. It will immediately take over your consciousness like a fever delirium. I think it hits more viscerally than the others and the effect is even stronger if one reads it first.

For shorter fiction I would recommend the novella The Double, which is early and experimental, but about as far "out there" as this author gets.

Couldn't agree more. Crime and Punishment really forces you to look into parts of your mind you might not even know exists. The question "is it wrong to kill another human being" was strangely difficult to answer.

I think Crime and Punishment is a great place to start together with Notes from Underground. The Idiot is somewhat slow-paced and to me had a few boring parts (though I loved it nonetheless and Rogoshin has to be my favorite dostojevskijan character).
I think Brothers Karamozov is by leagues the best of Dostojevskijs works, but not as ascessible as Crime and Punishment.

The Possessed is definately worth a read aswell, especially if you are interested in nihilistic/revolutionary philosophy.

Charles Darnay
03-31-2013, 01:54 PM
I never understood the great love for Crime and Punishment. I didn't hate it, but it never really drew me in. I think Notes From Underground and The Possessed both deal with the issue of a tormented soul and twisted morality far better than Crime and Punishment.

The Idiot may be slow-paced at some parts, but it is such a beautiful story, with incredible characters.

Idril
03-31-2013, 03:28 PM
My vote would be for The Possessed. It's an investment in time and energy but I found it to be well worth the effort.

Adolescent09
03-31-2013, 10:43 PM
My vote would be for The Possessed. It's an investment in time and energy but I found it to be well worth the effort.

Shhhh everybody. Idril doesn't know it but she is the one who inspired me to read "The Idiot" years ago. I'm glad I did :)

hack
03-31-2013, 11:52 PM
Notes from the Underground was my introduction to Dostoevsky. I agree with Jassy. It changed the way I think about everything I have read since.

osho
04-01-2013, 12:04 AM
I agree except for the philosophical. I don't think Dostoevski was philosophical, although many tried to categorize him as an existentialist but they failed miserably. It is true that he wrote out about the psychological, but his department was free from deductive and philosophical idiots from the philosophy department. And Brothers was probably a very scientific description that inspired hundreds of the most avantgarde writers, including Carlos Fuentes in The Death of Artemio Cruz.
For me, Brothers was a very straight forward, easy read. Of course, some thinking was required to arcertain intentions.
Philosophy departments are specialists in confusion. When they teach you Plato, for example, they do not say he was a Syracusan and that Socrates never put a foot in Arthens and was a result of a mental invasion of Pericles's Greece when the latter made the desperate mistake of running away from Sparta and invading Syracuse to establish a new trirreme empire. Thales never walked the streets of Athens, and neither did Pythagoras. What about Zeno and BS paradox?
Philosophy was finally instituted in Greece by the Roman conquest and for the Roman conquest. The golden age of Athenian democracy was not philosophical. It was strictly scientific.

That is your understanding of Dostoevsky. If you observe him from only from a lens of your knowledge you cannot see some other dimensions of him . No other than Sartre himself considered him to be a precursor of existential philosophy.

The other great thinker was Friedrich Nietzsche who saw in him great philosophical thoughts. Your arguments that Philosophy departments are specialists in confusion is unconvincing and baseless. If you start redefining what philosophy is and what it is not you will be singled out. There had been great discussions, arguments and voluminous treatises were written over the topic and now you want to take a different route and of course you can but I find it simply unpersuasive and wanting reading or understanding this great writer

Idril
04-01-2013, 11:22 AM
Shhhh everybody. Idril doesn't know it but she is the one who inspired me to read "The Idiot" years ago. I'm glad I did :)

Really? I'm curious what I said that made you want to read it. I have very complicated feelings about that book, it's absolutely brilliant and I feel like it should be read but it's so heavy and depressing, I usually stop just short of actually recommending it. ;)

ashulman
04-01-2013, 11:50 AM
I did the Brothers first and its my favorite, although if you want shorter works, Notes from Underground is a good next step

WyattGwyon
04-01-2013, 03:43 PM
I never understood the great love for Crime and Punishment. . . I think Notes From Underground and The Possessed both deal with the issue of a tormented soul and twisted morality far better than Crime and Punishment.

What was relevant to my recommendation of C&P is not the way the way the novel deals with tormented and twisted souls, but the way it forces the reader to deal with them. Unlike Stavrogin and Verkhovensky, Raskolnikov is a wholly sympathetic (well, almost) character—except for that little thing about killing people with a hatchet—so that the reader finds it easy and desirable to identify with him and to pull for him in his various dilemmas, whereas the above-mentioned characters from The Possessed tend to inspire loathing and disgust. The experience of identifying strongly with and taking the side of a hatchet murderer is instructive in a number of ways, including as a guide to what is central to Dostoyevsky's characterizations.

By the way, I love all of the novels, some more than C&P and the basis of my recommendation wasn't my personal tastes or my judgment of relative quality, but rather, which one gives a quintessential experience of the author's poetics, one that I suspect might be most striking to the uninitiated—obviously a subjective judgment on my part.

Gladys
04-02-2013, 01:45 AM
Recently I just read a Dostoevsky short story, White Nights...I didn’t know what love was until I read it, and it changed me as person, because of how much it taught me.

If Dostoevsky's treatment of love has impressed you, The Idiot is a superlative choice, with love as its focus.


I have very complicated feelings about that book, it's absolutely brilliant and I feel like it should be read but it's so heavy and depressing, I usually stop just short of actually recommending it. ;)

It's a matter of interpretation. :smile5: For me, no book has a more positive ending, and The Idiot never approaches the unabated grimness of Crime and Punishment. Australia's Nobel prize winning novelist Patrick White, in both The Aunt's Story and The Solid Mandala, ends with the protagonist consigned to an asylum. The ending of the first is happy, the second euphoric!

I'm halfway through The Possessed.

Darcy88
04-02-2013, 05:24 PM
You should read Notes from the Underground. That book will will blow your mind. The final part is perhaps the most intense bit of literature I've ever encountered.

mal4mac
04-03-2013, 01:19 PM
I think Crime and Punishment is a great place to start together with Notes from Underground. The Idiot is somewhat slow-paced and to me had a few boring parts... I think Brothers Karamozov is by leagues the best of Dostojevskijs works...

I agree with this. I also found "the Idiot" a bit slow ( "the Devils" as well....) Dostoevsky is so dark and heavy that I'd intersperse his works with others, for light relief (even Tolstoy would be light relief!) Try Chekhov and Dickens as well, Dostoevsky loved Dickens, and Chekhov's short stories are great....

Paulclem
04-03-2013, 03:47 PM
I read Crime and Punishment first. I found it a claustrophobic and intense read - not a pleasurable one, but the way he evokes Raskalnikov's mindset in the coffin shaped room is excellent.

I recently read, and preferred, House of the Dead about the prison camps in Tsarist Russia. It is a surprising read in many ways with a great evocation of camp life and the characters within. It is written thematically rather than chronologically and builds your awareness of the environment through the novel.

Jassy Melson
04-04-2013, 02:31 PM
I find it interesting that none of the posters deny that Dostoevsky is one of the gretest novelists who has ever written. His explorations into the mind and spirit are unparalled in world literature. That's the thing that moved me and changed me when I first read Dostoevsky. I felt as though he was talking to me. He touched my mind, my soul; indeed my whole being. It was as if someone had tapped me on my chest and said I know what you're going through; well, I'm telling your and my story at the same time I'm creating this immortal work of literature.

Paulclem
04-04-2013, 03:48 PM
I find it interesting that none of the posters deny that Dostoevsky is one of the gretest novelists who has ever written. His explorations into the mind and spirit are unparalled in world literature. That's the thing that moved me and changed me when I first read Dostoevsky. I felt as though he was talking to me. He touched my mind, my soul; indeed my whole being. It was as if someone had tapped me on my chest and said I know what you're going through; well, I'm telling your and my story at the same time I'm creating this immortal work of literature.

I'm not sure where he comes in the top 100 list. He's certainly an author I'll keep returning to. I'll reserve judgment until I've read a good many more.

Gilliatt Gurgle
04-05-2013, 11:01 PM
I'm not sure where he comes in the top 100 list. He's certainly an author I'll keep returning to. I'll reserve judgment until I've read a good many more.

This best describes my current feeling. I've read Notes From Underground TBK and The Idiot one pass for each and I must give the edge to The Idiot. But again, that's based on one read each not sufficient for my level of comprehension so return I must.

Paulclem
04-06-2013, 04:32 PM
This best describes my current feeling. I've read Notes From Underground TBK and The Idiot one pass for each and I must give the edge to The Idiot. But again, that's based on one read each not sufficient for my level of comprehension so return I must.

I'm trying to decide which one to read next. I'll go for The Idiot. I've just downloaded 4 books to read, so it'll be in a month or two.

AuntShecky
04-06-2013, 10:19 PM
Crime and Punishment was the first novel by Dostoyevsky that I read, decades ago, but I wasn't all that young, even then.

"The Grand Inquisitor" -- an excerpt from The Brothers Karamozov is one of those rare works which can withstand multiple readings. It has a kind of mystical power that affects me each time I read it. When I read the entire novel, I found myself filling a notebook up with quotations and notes. (Not every book I read inspires me to do that.)

There are some critical guides out there and literary essays that can give you an idea of where to start much better than I can. Just recently I read a solid essay about Joseph Frank, Dostoyevsky's literary biographer. The essay, appearing in Consider the Lobster by David Foster Wallace seems to me would serve as a good overall view.

Paulclem
04-08-2013, 05:25 AM
I intend to read both The Idiot and The Brothers Karamozov. I've been looking at his books for a while trying to decide which to read next.

mal4mac
04-08-2013, 12:02 PM
I intend to read both The Idiot and The Brothers Karamozov. I've been looking at his books for a while trying to decide which to read next.

I would recommend The Brothers Karamozov (or anything else!) Any surface description of "The Idiot" make it sound appealing, but I found it rather disappointing. I found it a rather tedious "social merry-go-round" novel, like Dickens without the humour or energy. For me, it was lacking the in-depth soul searching and "big ideas" that Dostoevsky is famous for.

Jassy Melson
04-08-2013, 02:05 PM
Dostoevsky, like any writer, had his ups and downs. I think we can all agree that some of his novels are better than others. He died in his sixties. It would have been interesting if he had lived longer to see what he would have written. It would be very difficult to top The Brothers Karamazov, but if anyone could have done it, Dostoevsky could have.

mal4mac
04-10-2013, 01:58 PM
Dostoevsky, like any writer, had his ups and downs. I think we can all agree that some of his novels are better than others. He died in his sixties. It would have been interesting if he had lived longer to see what he would have written. It would be very difficult to top The Brothers Karamazov, but if anyone could have done it, Dostoevsky could have.

I find him more variable than Tolstoy & Dickens; although I think his summits are up with theirs, if on the bleak side of the range.

After the sixties, I suggest, you are unlikely to produce any great works, but might go batty (like Tolstoy...) So Dostoevsky died at a good age!

Tolstoy had completed W&P and AK before he reached 60. Does anyone know of an author who produced his greatest masterpiece after 60? Dickens died at 58. George Eliot produced Middlemarch at the age of 51, and died at 61. These are some of my contenders for "writers of the greatest work", but if you check out your favourites I'd be surprised if anyone was over 60 (Hardy stopped writing novels early, Joyce produced Ulysses when still quite young, Shakespeare retired in his fifties, and his best work was well behind him...)

Paulclem
04-11-2013, 02:32 PM
I would recommend The Brothers Karamozov (or anything else!) Any surface description of "The Idiot" make it sound appealing, but I found it rather disappointing. I found it a rather tedious "social merry-go-round" novel, like Dickens without the humour or energy. For me, it was lacking the in-depth soul searching and "big ideas" that Dostoevsky is famous for.

I had downloaded The Idiot before your recommendation. I'll be reading The Brothers later though.

Gladys
04-12-2013, 04:26 AM
Any surface description of "The Idiot" make it sound appealing, but I found it rather disappointing. I found it a rather tedious "social merry-go-round" novel, like Dickens without the humour or energy. For me, it was lacking the in-depth soul searching and "big ideas" that Dostoevsky is famous for.

The Idiot deals with the biggest idea of all: what it means to love. Prince Myshkin engages in in-depth soul searching from the first page to the last. Your "social merry-go-round" well expresses the perspective of Petersberg society but not that of the prince. Much of the humour, and there's plenty, stems from his singular perspective.

For me, there isn't a better novel.

sm123
04-27-2013, 04:46 AM
I find him more variable than Tolstoy & Dickens; although I think his summits are up with theirs, if on the bleak side of the range.

After the sixties, I suggest, you are unlikely to produce any great works, but might go batty (like Tolstoy...) So Dostoevsky died at a good age!

Tolstoy had completed W&P and AK before he reached 60. Does anyone know of an author who produced his greatest masterpiece after 60? Dickens died at 58. George Eliot produced Middlemarch at the age of 51, and died at 61. These are some of my contenders for "writers of the greatest work", but if you check out your favourites I'd be surprised if anyone was over 60 (Hardy stopped writing novels early, Joyce produced Ulysses when still quite young, Shakespeare retired in his fifties, and his best work was well behind him...)

Sophocles wrote Oedipus at Colonus, and quite possibly Antigone (I've heard this but can't seem to find a credible source) near the end of his very long life, even using it as his defence against his son's claim of dementia. These two works make up 2/3rds of his most famous trilogy, and contain some of his most complex story lines. That's the example that jumped out at me, but I am sure that if you look into it, many prolific and talented writers continued to create masterpieces well past their sixties. Old age doesn't necessarily mean "battiness." Who knows how Dostoevsky would have changed with age.