a perfect world

[cacian]

Plot: imagine a world free from misery poverty murder affairs guns racism hatred and sex offenders terrorist spies. Nothing. Just pure harmony.

Task: what would you the writer write about?

[cafolini]

The art of sucking popsicles.

[Grit]

How dull and boring everything and everyone would be. How conflict is resolved.

Classic scene like man catches wife in bed with a stranger. Makes them pancakes.

[cafolini]

Some people have it upsidedown. The world (rather the situation) is already perfect. It would be imperfect by enslaving God inside the upsidedown box of that so-called perfection.

[cacian]

The art of sucking popsicles.

LOL no popsi no liky lol

[cacian]

How dull and boring everything and everyone would be. How conflict is resolved.

Classic scene like man catches wife in bed with a stranger. Makes them pancakes.
would that be classic if it was real? pancakes would not be on the menu. Haha.
for me boring is a wife caught in bed with a husband of someone else's. it gets a bit cliche after a while. that is just me:)

[cacian]

Some people have it upsidedown. The world (rather the situation) is already perfect. It would be imperfect by enslaving God inside the upsidedown box of that so-called perfection.

perfection is not god that I know of. perfection is behaving oneself for another to behave. That is perfection.

[Grit]

Ok Cacian,

what would you write about? How to make a world without conflict interesting in any way?

[cacian]

Ok Cacian,

what would you write about? How to make a world without conflict interesting in any way?

lol I would write about about the eternal feeling of lighteness i guess. without light I see no darkness and for that I am grateful.
I would write to engage the mind into thinking there is power in writing . Intellectual expressions are what we strive for if we are to make our world livable.
ie progressive writing where one can visualize a life that we can all aspire too. we would write ourselves into a stable living. let us imagine through writing what what a saine and logical world we could all be sharing. we have to start somewhere so why not with a pen and paper?
In other to clean our acts we must clean our language first the rest should follow.

[Grit]

lol I would write about about the eternal feeling of lighteness i guess. without light i see no darkness and for that I am grateful.
I would write to engage the mind into thinking there is power in writing . Intellectual expressions are what we strive for if we are to make our world livable.
ie progressive writing where one can visualize a life that we can all aspire too. we would write ourselves into a beautiful living. let us imagine through writing what what a perfect world we could all br sharing. we have to start somewhere so why not with a pen and paper?
In other to clean our acts we must clean our language first the rest should follow.

You of course assume that this world would be better than ours. I disagree. Human beings have an incredible capacity to overcome challenges. I would be far more inspired to live a better life by reading about someone overcoming great conflict than reading about a bunch of people who live in perfect harmony. What you're talking about is an unattainable utopia.

There's too much greed in this world for there to ever be perfect harmony among all people. Our entire world is based around power and currency. That won't change by writing about a utopia that does little to solve the real-world problems most people face every day like what to eat for dinner and how to pay the bills.

I believe writing about the bad side of society will do more good on the a whole than writing about a utopian future. Nineteen-eighty four wasn't about a world without censorship. It was about a world of extreme censorship.

It's easier to grab people's attention with a nightmare than a lovely dream.

[Ecurb]

If wives getting caught in bed with men who are not their husbands is "boring", how come we still read Anna Karenina and Madame Bovary?

The Greeks thought that the Gods could not be heroic, because they were immortal. Heroism (and adventure, and courage) are necessarily tied to danger, pain, and death. Has anyone read "The Worm Ouroboros" by E.R. Edison? It's one of the great pre-Tolkien fantasy novels. The "Worm" itself is a serpent swallowing its own tail, and the novel explores the necessity of evil, danger, and death for heroic deeds.

[cacian]

[QUOTE=Ecurb;1206437]If wives getting caught in bed with men who are not their husbands is "boring", how come we still read Anna Karenina and Madame Bovary?

I don't. I find the topic of affairs and sleeping around rather stiffing and nothing changes same all same all. If these affairs happened on a daily basis in my reality I would bore to death with marriages and weddings because they conjure up failure and drive others to corrupt the meaning of it. It is rather sad that one thinks one derives thrill from another one's frivolities and failures.
It is like the mad feeding on the mad. I guess one does look up but looks down.


The Greeks thought that the Gods could not be heroic, because they were immortal.

Oh well that is the greeks for you and what is more what do they know about immortalism. It is no one's knowledge yet for one has yet to experienc it and to presume to know anything remotely about it is short sighted and ignorant.
Heroism is not an act it is a way of life a thinking rather a doing. I think a new definition is due.


Heroism (and adventure, and courage) are necessarily tied to danger, pain, and death. Has anyone read "The Worm Ouroboros" by E.R. Edison? It's one of the great pre-Tolkien fantasy novels. The "Worm" itself is a serpent swallowing its own tail, and the novel explores the necessity of evil, danger, and death for heroic deeds.
That makes it all alright then. Let's compare a worm to a serpent and then we can all go home and reinvent another worm and see if we can compare to a horse. But wait a minute we are out of horses for we have now consumed all. Oh dear.
There is no necessity in life what there is prosperity measure and tenacity. Staying alive is more necessary then dying for the sake of show casing violence for heroism.

[cacian]

You of course assume that this world would be better than ours. I disagree. Human beings have an incredible capacity to overcome challenges. I would be far more inspired to live a better life by reading about someone overcoming great conflict than reading about a bunch of people who live in perfect harmony. What you're talking about is an unattainable utopia.

There's too much greed in this world for there to ever be perfect harmony among all people. Our entire world is based around power and currency. That won't change by writing about a utopia that does little to solve the real-world problems most people face every day like what to eat for dinner and how to pay the bills.

I believe writing about the bad side of society will do more good on the a whole than writing about a utopian future. Nineteen-eighty four wasn't about a world without censorship. It was about a world of extreme censorship.

It's easier to grab people's attention with a nightmare than a lovely dream.
Really?? I am astonished.
I believe words are powerful as indicated in your signature. The more we write logic and the more we logically see.
A best analogy I could give is this: I do not didder in the dark because it is dark I didder because I have a torch or i can follow a star light. If it was not for light I might as well stand still.
Light is exploretative especially in darkeness. Darkeness without light is darkeness and that is it. The rest is loopholes and god help us.
So to go back to what you were saying I can only progress because I write and read progress. When I read I think I do not sink and when I think I act. That is the only way. There is no other way. Forward means lucid optimism and clarity.
To write misery in order for another to read it create more misery. What goes around comes around.
So really I wish not to drown my sorrow for words time and mind are precious not commodity. I ensure to write clearly with the mean to go on willingly.

[Grit]

To write misery in order for another to read it create more misery. What goes around comes around.

I am not condoning writing misery. It's not black and white, just like the world, we're surrounded by grey. When a writer exposes the truth of corruption and confusion in this world, it can be eye-opening and facilitate change in the reader. In all fairness, so can something that highlights the best parts of humanity. An example of that is "Life is Beautiful." although that one is full of conflict.

Fight Club was one of the greatest influences on my life of any story and that's because it opened my eyes to commercialism and materialism. It didn't do that by being a story about a world without those things. It did it by showing extremists against those forces. It exposed most of commercial society for what it is; trying to replace the essence of being with products and material objects. You are not your eight-hundred dollar suit. You are not your car. You are not your ****ing khakis. This story did not illicit misery in me but joy. I felt as if a veil had been lifted from in front of my eyes and that I had heard truth.

Any story that is about complete harmony without conflict will probably be boring and didactic. It seems what you are suggesting is to write the way you want people to behave and then hope that they adopt that behaviour. It doesn't work. There is conflict in everyones life every day and if your story is completely lacking conflict the reader will feel that the ideas you present, no matter how noble, do not reflect their world and in truth, it won't.

[cafolini]

perfection is not god that I know of. perfection is behaving oneself for another to behave. That is perfection.

People trying to determine perfection are like water trying to wash the sky.

[Ecurb]

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I don't. I find the topic of affairs and sleeping around rather stiffing and nothing changes same all same all. If these affairs happened on a daily basis in my reality I would bore to death with marriages and weddings because they conjure up failure and drive others to corrupt the meaning of it. It is rather sad that one thinks one derives thrill from another one's frivolities and failures.
It is like the mad feeding on the mad. I guess one does look up but looks down.



Oh well that is the greeks for you and what is more what do they know about immortalism. It is no one's knowledge yet for one has yet to experienc it and to presume to know anything remotely about it is short sighted and ignorant.
Heroism is not an act it is a way of life a thinking rather a doing. I think a new definition is due.


That makes it all alright then. Let's compare a worm to a serpent and then we can all go home and reinvent another worm and see if we can compare to a horse. But wait a minute we are out of horses for we have now consumed all. Oh dear.
There is no necessity in life what there is prosperity measure and tenacity. Staying alive is more necessary then dying for the sake of show casing violence for heroism.

Actually, I was hoping that some of the people on this "literary" board had read the Worm Ouroboros, and we could discuss it. Apparently you aren't interested in discussing literature, though.

I suppose (based on your first comment) that you also disagree with Tolstoy, who opens Anna Karenina with, "All happy families are happy alike, but each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way." Since you haven't read two of the most famous novels ever written, however, you will remain ignorant as to whether they are entertaining or not. Indeed, you seem proud of your ignorance.

[islandclimber]

You possess a cornucopia of myopic viewpoints on literature Cacian. One thread is about how writers should not use unclean language; this one is about writing a perfect and entirely harmonious world; an older one was about how literature should be for everyone; others expressed viewpoints that writing should not be negative (whatever this means). Open those eyes. One of the more amazing things about literature is just how diverse it can be, even (or especially) in the pages of a single book. Misery can be ****ing beautiful. SO can the grotesque, the obscene, the nightmarish.

[cacian]

You possess a cornucopia of myopic viewpoints on literature Cacian. One thread is about how writers should not use unclean language; this one is about writing a perfect and entirely harmonious world; an older one was about how literature should be for everyone; others expressed viewpoints that writing should not be negative (whatever this means). Open those eyes. One of the more amazing things about literature is just how diverse it can be, even (or especially) in the pages of a single book. Misery can be ****ing beautiful. SO can the grotesque, the obscene, the nightmarish.

Well i sure am different and yes i do not value misery as a progressive idea nor a need in literature. i feel literature should the key motivator the big idea to other better ideas. By idea I mean changes for the better. A bit like a friend towards another. literature is as prerequisit to selective memory. By this I mean we humans naturally remember and retain the good for longer and leave out the bad.In fact we bury the bad and bounce off the good stuck.
That is how i consider the immediat effect of interesting literature. To bounce off one person another in a continued consitant line of logic and thus constituting a chain of events that move the world forward instead of backwords.
When the brain eventually goes through a sudden rush of recollections/memory especially the traumatic stuff it goes backwards and stagnate there. This triggers the mind and body to depress and slow. On the other hand when it comes to the good memory the brain is in a constant wave of back and forth movement, bouncing off , creating a healthy flow of neurons and blood. The body and mind are thus in a predisposed harmonious stance hence the importance of clean lucid and logical literature. Words are powerful they excite the mind and when the language is somber dark and miserable the brain responses is not as energetic as when it is trigger happy.
This is from a psychological point of view. To process ideas and achieve success one must process clear literature that iginite the thinking side of the brain, It is crucial if we are to make sense of everything we do.

[osho]

Cacain, you are confused between things- perfection and imperfection. Think deeply you will realize that you are sitting on two disparate domains – joys and pains, littleness and bigness. They are opposing things but without one the other does not exist in actuality. What you call perfection is relative to imperfection. They are complementing entities that give your life unity and symmetry. We must be down to earth to comprehend the secret of life. How can you consider yourself tall if there is no somebody you have to dwarf or else tallness without a match become immaterial?
In this amazing world we can see the surface only. Truth is layered and you get lost in the act of peeling off the layer to arrive at the truth you have been seeking. The layers are your own conditionings.

[cacian]

Cacain, you are confused between things- perfection and imperfection. Think deeply you will realize that you are sitting on two disparate domains – joys and pains,
Hi osho. Well one knows beauty and the beast and doesn't it turn out to the be a feast when the beast turns out to be a prince?
This is the classic contradiction of good and bad being the opposite forces that one without the other does not exist.
The princess and the beast would happily live ever after and the prince notion is out of the question.


littleness and bigness. They are opposing things but without one the other does not exist in actuality. What you call perfection is relative to imperfection. They are complementing entities that give your life unity and symmetry.
symmetry is an exageration and does not quite exist only in mathematical terms. Symmetry is a number and it stop there.
The value in which we measure our symmetry is achieved through our understanding of what is acceptable and the norms and what isn't.

We must be down to earth to comprehend the secret of life.
life is not a secret we are our own worst enemy. We go to the extreme to measure the speed of light and yet we do not measure the atrocity to which the human sufferance is debacle and hence we fall backward miserably. Our attention to details towards one another is less then symmetrical it is sadistical.


How can you consider yourself tall if there is no somebody you have to dwarf or else tallness without a match become immaterial?
I consider not tall I consider measurement as number greater or smaller depending on the shape and size of the measured. No need to deprecate others to get the opposite effect.

In this amazing world we can see the surface only. Truth is layered and you get lost in the act of peeling off the layer to arrive at the truth you have been seeking. The layers are your own conditionings.
i am not sure there is any truth to be sought. I think there is a lot inconsistancies and fraudulent ideas that condemn us as the weakest of the weak in comparison to other creatures around us. We are yet to understand the meaning of the word truth. Humans are to start to look for they consider natural and acceptable between them and for themselves before delving into the ideal truth whatever that is. That is my two cents on it. :)

[prendrelemick]

What to write about when there is little or no stimulation? Here is some insight.

I recently read about a family who lived lost in the Siberian Taiga completely separate from society for fifty years. They had no outside stimulation, no contact at all, nothing new to see or experience until some prospectors found them in the 1970's. When an anthropologist finally asked them what they talked about through the long winters, when the work was done and they were sat round the fire at night. they replied, "Our dreams, we talk about our dreams"

[cacian]

What to write about when there is little or no stimulation? Here is some insight.

I recently read about a family who lived lost in the Siberian Taiga completely separate from society for fifty years. They had no outside stimulation, no contact at all, nothing new to see or experience until some prospectors found them in the 1970's. When an anthropologist finally asked them what they talked about through the long winters, when the work was done and they were sat round the fire at night. they replied, "Our dreams, we talk about our dreams"

Now that for me the penultimate of writing. Dreams are what we are made of.

[osho]

Perfection is a relative term and if we believe in God only in God perfection lies and God is a manifestation of perfection if God does exist. But there is no proof actualize the existence of God. In life perfection is never possible and it is a zenith and once we summit it another greater height emerges. As a writer we feel we are attaining perfection but when somebody writer better turns up we become dwarfed by his colossal and regal existence.

Perfection is something I do not want to run after since when I want model myself on some idol the image belittles me. When I am alone in my spacious room I am perfect and when someone enters I get shadowed.

Perfection is a delusion and let us not strain ourselves in pursuit of it.