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cacian
02-27-2013, 03:49 AM
For me it has to be the sound of the words and the flexibility of their spelling. The fact that I can adjust/rearrange letters to adjust a sound is very fulfilling. I compare this language activity to a transistor or a sound system.
How about you?
islandclimber
02-28-2013, 10:44 PM
Spelling is arbitrary? It must be lovely, possessing such a cavalier attitude towards essentials like spelling and grammar... Sadly, I fear this means your writing will never merit a second glance, assuming one can stomach the first.
Lokasenna
03-01-2013, 06:07 AM
For me it has to be the sound of the words and the flexibility of their spelling. The fact that I can adjust/rearrange letters to adjust a sound is very fulfilling. I compare this language activity to a transistor or a sound system.
Yes, I suspect that your... flexible... approach to written language is unique to you. Whilst language is a dynamic and ever-changing thing, if one simply throws all the rules out the window then one's readers lose all sense of context and the whole thing becomes impotently meaningless.
My favourite thing about language, to argue the opposite position, is its rigour and formal structure: one adapts poetry to fit the language, not the other way around. The formality of the language itself does not hamper poetic expression, but becomes a stage from which that poetry can be performed.
cacian
03-01-2013, 09:36 AM
Yes, I suspect that your... flexible... approach to written language is unique to you. Whilst language is a dynamic and ever-changing thing, if one simply throws all the rules out the window then one's readers lose all sense of context and the whole thing becomes impotently meaningless.
Hi Lokasenna I do understand language parameters are crucial for guidance but they are not the rule. I conjur creativity from the fact i can flex language to my advantage. Inspirations comes from within but exaggeration is a natural act much needed for the mind to breath.
I see language as a tool I manipulate and not the other way around. I am not told by language I tell it. Other fellow readers writers thinkers just have to learn to adapt accept and or ignore. I have a go at language in this way because I see everything as multidimensional ie an opportunity is not in the making it is the saking. This is how i see everything in life endless possibilities.
My favourite thing about language, to argue the opposite position, is its rigour and formal structure: one adapts poetry to fit the language, not the other way around. The formality of the language itself does not hamper poetic expression, but becomes a stage from which that poetry can be performed.
Familiarity breeds contempt or so they say and I am not about to tolerate its meaning. I must move on to make it so that I familiarise and improvise. Improvisation is creativity.
hillwalker
03-01-2013, 09:47 AM
I conjur creativity from the fact i can flex language to my advantage. Inspirations comes from within but exaggeration is a natural act much needed for the mind to breath.
. . .or to paraphrase, you mangle language to such an extent that unfortunately it loses all meaning to your readers.
H
Lokasenna
03-01-2013, 09:50 AM
Keats's appraisal of the sonnet form seems a fitting thing to quote in the context of this argument. Though he is talking about poetic form, he might just as easily be talking about language itself.
If by dull rhymes our English must be chain’d,
And, like Andromeda, the Sonnet sweet
Fetter’d, in spite of pained loveliness;
Let us find out, if we must be constrain’d,
Sandals more interwoven and complete
To fit the naked foot of poesy;
Let us inspect the lyre, and weigh the stress
Of every chord, and see what may be gain’d
By ear industrious, and attention meet:
Misers of sound and syllable, no less
Than Midas of his coinage, let us be
Jealous of dead leaves in the bay wreath crown;
So, if we may not let the Muse be free,
She will be bound with garlands of her own.
cacian
03-01-2013, 10:15 AM
. . .or to paraphrase, you mangle language to such an extent that unfortunately it loses all meaning to your readers.
H
I understand your concerns and yes it is not clear to readers. We conform all our lives to speaking the same language to each other in order to understand each other and yes there would perhaps not be other way around it. However I consider literature poetry especially as an art form easliy malleable and that is one attraction. Consider painters Gauguin or Picasso. The imagery are nothing like real life. They are juxtaposed surreal and we love them for what they are. I am merely approaching poetry from this point of view. I like to project a different image to the language. I wish to show its flexibility and other new inferences with thoughts which hopefully would engage and evolve new meanings personal to each and one of us and of course add to the language. I like to think that I have my own meaning to common word that we all share. This helps the mind to wonder off away from everyday language. It is important to me that I see changes not only in meanings but also in the shape/form of words because it gives me or some others the opportunity to try an imagine new ideas and thoughts. Sounds are ultimately to ease off the unusualness of the depravity of the meaning from its word. The rhyming is supposed to make it easier on the mind as he she reads words that no longer look or appear or mean their usual.
Anyway that is how I find poetry attractive and of course you are different and that is all the more important too.:)
It is words and sentences. We are running short of words when it boils down to writing
WolfLarsen
03-01-2013, 01:14 PM
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