Hedonism

[cacian]

The concept sounds better then it is.
Socrates idealism is to consecrate pain for pleasure.
The question is what is pleasure and how do we derive without having to break the momentum?
Any comments most welcome.

[stlukesguild]

The concept sounds better then it is.

Why do you think so?

The question is what is pleasure and how do we derive without having to break the momentum?

What momentum?:confused:

[cafolini]

Yes, yes. What momentum? What momentum? May the con be separated from the fusion? LOL

[cacian]

QUOTE=stlukesguild;1204533]The concept sounds better then it is.

Why do you think so?
I think so because ideal pleasure is one way only.


The question is what is pleasure and how do we derive without having to break the momentum?

What momentum?:confused:

The momentum of pleasure. I describe pleasure as a measured time a momentum which must be sustained until the desired effect is reached.
Breaking the momentum means when pleasure must be stopped. What then?

[osho]

Hedonism is not as bad a thing as it is generally conceived. It is pleasure and relief from pain everyone of us is trying in life. Let us not idealize or romanticize pain the way Socrates or a few romantic poets did respectively. Sex is for instance pleasure and not to indulge in this act is pain. To eat a juicy apple is pleasure and to stay hungry is pain.

If you idealize poverty and despise affluence I have little to discuss.

[cafolini]

Not to be confused with Epicurianism. The Epicurian derives pleasure from good healthy food that makes him/her feel good afterwards. The Hedonist does not much care about that. He/she might be insensitive enough to be a hidden masochist.

[cacian]

Not to be confused with Epicurianism. The Epicurian derives pleasure from good healthy food that makes him/her feel good afterwards. The Hedonist does not much care about that. He/she might be insensitive enough to be a hidden masochist.

what is a hidden masochist? I mean why hide is you are a masochist?

[cafolini]

Head or ism
pork barrelism
ROFLMAO!

[hypatia_]

Pleasure is a reaction to an experience that is perceived, and everyone has a different perception of reality, therefore, pleasure is subjective based on the individual.

[cafolini]

Pleasure is a reaction to an experience that is perceived, and everyone has a different perception of reality, therefore, pleasure is subjective based on the individual.

That's like saying that beauty might be in the eye of the beholder while ugliness might not. LOL
Subjective pleasure cannot lead to a pleasurable aftermath. It is a product of mental illness. But so is objective pleasure. No reasoning can lead to the answer. Eat well. If you don't play fool, you know what that is. And it is a matter of perception.

[hypatia_]

That's like saying that beauty might be in the eye of the beholder while ugliness might not. LOL
Subjective pleasure cannot lead to a pleasurable aftermath. It is a product of mental illness. But so is objective pleasure. No reasoning can lead to the answer. Eat well. If you don't play fool, you know what that is. And it is a matter of perception.

How so? I'm just saying one man's pleasure is not going to be another's because they have different perceptions of reality.

[cafolini]

How so? I'm just saying one man's pleasure is not going to be another's because they have different perceptions of reality.

People go to eat in good restaurants and beauty queens compete and get elected because they have different perceptions of reality. LOL
Good luck. God be with you.

[hypatia_]

That is true though. One person perceives pleasure as eating in good restaurants (derived through experience), while another considers beauty to be the ultimate form of pleasure (again derived through their experience).

You disagree?

[cafolini]

I think my position is very clear. No point in arguing this any further.

[hypatia_]

It is not clear at all, unfortunately.

[Shaman_Raman]

It is not clear at all, unfortunately.

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