Fancy a burger?

[Paulclem]

A bit of scandal is devloping over here in the UK. Burgers and Lasagnas produced by a number of large supermarket chains and producers have been found to contain horsemeat. 60-100% in some cases.

This might be the wake up call for people who are happy to buy food that they really don't know anything about. We've all eaten processed food, but it seems to me that if you eat meat, then you are much more vulnerable to this kind of exploitation. That phrase you see on packaging - 100% beef - usually means exactly what it says - 100% of the beast - not the prime cuts but the fat, gristle and connective tissue is processed into something edible.

And now any kind of meat will do. There has been pork and horse found in beef burgers, and ready meals. From one perspective you could say - what does it matter? It's been processed into something unrecogniseable without a DNA test. As a veggie I see essentially no difference, and as a carnivore in the past, I don't think I would have been bothered so long as it tasted ok.

I suppose what's really at stake is the illusion of what it claims to be. I've worked in the meat industry and realised then that the meat in your pie and burger would not be the stuff you buy in the butcher's shop. I don't think many people really think about it. Perhaps they don't want to. Maybe now they will.

What do you think?

[Volya]

I'm not really bothered to be honest, as long as it's not human meat and tastes alright, it's all the same to me.

[Paulclem]

I'm not really bothered to be honest, as long as it's not human meat and tastes alright, it's all the same to me.

What have you got against human meat?

[Volya]

From what I'm aware, cannibalism can cause health problems, and is generally frowned upon by society.

[Paulclem]

:lol:

I jest me old mate.

[Helga]

I don't eat meat but what bugs me is that I think people should know what they eat, be it horse meat or beef. I have to admit though that I don't follow the news in the UK that well, I mainly get my knowledge from shows like 8 out of 10 cats or some comedy act.. So I'm not a reliable source.

[Emil Miller]

, I mainly get my knowledge from shows like 8 out of 10 cats or some comedy act.. So I'm not a reliable source.

:lol:

[Michael T]

Part of the problem must be that if the product isn't what it's supposed to be - how can we know the origin or the condition of the product. For me this situation brings back memories of the BSE debacle some years ago. I also get annoyed at people/politicians/media calling it 'contamination' when it seems to me that it's clearly fraud on a massive scale, and fraud that could put the health of many at risk. Vegitarianism never looked so appealing.

[Gilliatt Gurgle]

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I’m reminded of the legendary Jack in the Box kangaroo meat incident back in the early ‘90s…it had folks around here hopping mad!

As for horse meat in burgers, I’ll simply add that it… behoofs you to know what you’re eating.


Applause - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUxCCFfFIEw

Thank you, thank you.
I’m here Friday’s and Saturday’s till ten.

[cacian]

Processed food. That is the end result. No one knows what goes behind those factories door. To be fair processed is a big nono I don't eat and never will.
I mean who knows macdonalds/burgerkings could be doing the same. What goes in those burgers I dread to think.

[Paulclem]

Processed food. That is the end result. No one knows what goes behind those factories door. To be fair processed is a big nono I don't eat and never will.
I mean who knows macdonalds/burgerkings could be doing the same. What goes in those burgers I dread to think.

That's the problem. People have stopped thinking and are somehow shocked that it's not really the beef/ pork/ lamb they pictured. Processed means made edible - why else would you need to process it?

[Pierre Menard]

I've never been under the illusion that what I'm eating is really what it's advertised as, not 100 per cent anyway.

I'm also okay with this. There are other things that plague my mind far more, like why is it so frowned upon that I as a man would like to enjoy lace underwear? It's just material, right? Anyway.

[JBI]

Meh. If it still tastes good... As for horse, meh, some people eat it regularly. People should just be open minded. They are buying processed garbage anyway, what did they expect, prime cuts? Better horse than cardboard.

[qimissung]

No! No! No! I couldn't bear it. The food industry is really evil, I think. They don't mind taking our good money, but they can't be bothered to do it right. Well, can anybody, these days?

I mean, I know if I get a hamburger at MacDonald's it's got soy in it, which while annoying is at least acceptable. I'm kind of fond of Burger King, although I haven't eaten there in ages. Lately I've liked In and Out or, my personal favorite, the Mooyah burger, which is supposed to be 100% pure ground beef, or so they say, anyway. This post makes it seem like I eat a lot of burgers, which is not actually the case. I do eat about one or two a month. I also eat chicken nuggets which I don't think are much better for you.

[prendrelemick]

I generally eat meat from the butcher, or my own lamb, or my neighbours pig. However processed meat and offal and all those bits and pieces are so tastey! Spam, corned beef, chicken nuggets, Findus Lasagne - all delicious. High salt and hight fat and plenty of monosodium glocowhatsit makes for flavour.

That said the horse meat thing is clearly fraud.

[Lokasenna]

I've rather enjoyed horse-meat on the few occasions I've (knowingly) had it. I've no issue with eating horse, though obviously food should be labeled correctly - if nothing else, it's false advertising.

I think the main issue is that people sentimentalise certain animals, and once they have done so the idea of consuming them becomes unpalatable. Creatures like horses and dogs become part of the human domestic circle: we name them, they live with us, they work with us, they become our companions. It's quite hard for some people to eat lovable ol' Dobbin, or any creature like him.

[Emil Miller]

I've rather enjoyed horse-meat on the few occasions I've (knowingly) had it. I've no issue with eating horse, though obviously food should be labeled correctly - if nothing else, it's false advertising.

I think the main issue is that people sentimentalise certain animals, and once they have done so the idea of consuming them becomes unpalatable. Creatures like horses and dogs become part of the human domestic circle: we name them, they live with us, they work with us, they become our companions. It's quite hard for some people to eat lovable ol' Dobbin, or any creature like him.

It depends on the circumstances. During the Paris Commune (1871), nothing edible was coming into the besieged city and anything that could be killed and wasn't human was eaten by the starving population. Which gave rise to the story of the man who killed his dog and, during the resultant meal, said to his wife: "It's a pity Rover isn't here, he would have enjoyed this bone."

I once lunched at a restaurant in Antwerp with a friend and because the menu was in Flemish it was difficult to read but I managed to order what I what thought was steak and chips. The waiter was nonplussed when I suggested that it didn't taste like beef and one of the men seated at another table pointed to the food and began performing like a jockey riding over the jumps. My friend said he thought it tasted alright and we decided to eat it but as I seldom eat meat nowadays, I'm not particularly bothered about this latest scandal.

[Gilliatt Gurgle]

....Which gave rise to the story of the man who killed his dog and, during the resultant meal, said to his wife: "It's a pity Rover isn't here, he would have enjoyed this bone."

...and one of the men seated at another table pointed to the food and began performing like a jockey riding over the jumps...

haha! nice.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrZ_v8cwFPk

[mortalterror]

My only concerns are taste, health, and was the animal treated humanely before it died. I don't see any animals but humans as off limits for consumption. Most western people agree that cow, pig, deer, chicken, birds, and fish all taste yummy. I'd like to know what horse, yak, bear, lion, gazelle, seal, penguin, crocodile, llama, goat, snake, shark, squirrel, and possibly even dog taste like. Taste the rainbow. Oranges are not the only fruit.

[LitNetIsGreat]

Yes, that's the thing it is fraud, and the supermarkets should be very heavily fined and those involved locked up. If it says 'beef' on the packet then you don't expect 'horse'. I think people are within their rights to sue over this. I don't buy processed meals but if I did I would consider suing.

[Calidore]

My only concerns are taste, health, and was the animal treated humanely before it died. I don't see any animals but humans as off limits for consumption. Most western people agree that cow, pig, deer, chicken, birds, and fish all taste yummy. I'd like to know what horse, yak, bear, lion, gazelle, seal, penguin, crocodile, llama, goat, snake, shark, squirrel, and possibly even dog taste like. Taste the rainbow. Oranges are not the only fruit.

I had a delicious spicy, stir-fried yak at a sadly short-lived Tibetan restaurant here some years ago. It's very beefy. I also tried goat at a Filipino restaurant during a visit to San Diego and didn't much care for it.

[Paulclem]

What about processed meat used in burgers, lasagnas, sausages etc that is called anymeat? They could, after all be called anymea right now. They could market it cheaper for people.

Anymeat Burger anyone?

[mortalterror]

If it doesn't hurt the taste, I don't see what the big deal is, Paul. "Hey, you sold me this delicious food but 5-10% of it isn't the same delicious food I asked for." Hamburgers are nice but then so are chickenburgers. You remind me of my roommate in college. He was a Tibetan Vegan. I offered him a starburst candy early into our relationship and he said "No thanks, it's got gelatin in it." "What's gelatin," I asked. "You know, horses hooves, pig fat..." I popped a cherry starburst into my mouth "Mmmmm, you can really taste the pig fat."

[mortalterror]

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I’m reminded of the legendary Jack in the Box kangaroo meat incident back in the early ‘90s…it had folks around here hopping mad!

As for horse meat in burgers, I’ll simply add that it… behoofs you to know what you’re eating.


Applause - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUxCCFfFIEw

Thank you, thank you.
I’m here Friday’s and Saturday’s till ten.

Oh man, I would love to try a little Kangaroo or Koala. I hear that in some cultures certain bugs are considered delicacies too. Can't be any worse than escargot, frogs legs, or caviar.

[Paulclem]

If it doesn't hurt the taste, I don't see what the big deal is, Paul. "Hey, you sold me this delicious food but 5-10% of it isn't the same delicious food I asked for." Hamburgers are nice but then so are chickenburgers.

I think the same way - and would if I ate meat. My take would be that I've been eating processed meat of indeterminate origin for years - what's the problem now? As a veggie I don't have the same conundrum. Funny how I remind you of your roommate - I'm not Tibetan, but have been involved in Tibetan Buddhism.

What's fascinaing is that companies were originally set up with recogniseable names in order to guarrantee the quality of what you purchesed. This was because there were lots of allegations of, and no doubt real cases of, adulteration of foodstuffs.

It seems to have come full circle, but there is now an opportunity for companies to begin to capitalise upon the fraud and re-establish a guarranteed quality. I bet that comes next in the advertising.

[LitNetIsGreat]

Well, first the food is not delicious, as I think the stuff was in cheap frozen ready meals, but that's beside the point, the point is people thought they were buying one thing, beef, and ended up eating another, horse. And horse wasn't labelled on the packet. For most people in the UK, I think, eating horse is not too far away from the idea of eating dog or cat, not palatable at all.

[Paulclem]

Well, first the food is not delicious, as I think the stuff was in cheap frozen ready meals, but that's beside the point, the point is people thought they were buying one thing, beef, and ended up eating another, horse. And horse wasn't labelled on the packet. For most people in the UK, I think, eating horse is not too far away from the idea of eating dog or cat, not palatable at all.

You may be right, but price in the end might tip it. I saw some graphic where they reckoned half of the meat consumed is the processed kind. It's because it's cheap. I think generally - from the stats - people must like it.

[LitNetIsGreat]

Well people eat all sorts of stuff, for different reasons, but they at least have the right to know what's in the product.

Edit: I mean if I ask for a blue tin of paint and I get red, I want my money back at least.

[Paulclem]

Well people eat all sorts of stuff, for different reasons, but they at least have the right to know what's in the product.

Edit: I mean if I ask for a blue tin of paint and I get red, I want my money back at least.

But if you find all this time you've actually painted it red all this time anyway, what good would blue be?

Sorry - I agree with you. People should know what they're eating, and it is a failing on many parts that it has been allowed to get this way. What I'm saying is that probably having eaten horsemeat/ the wrong meat for all this time - should they just shrug - after the sorting that will inevitably happen - and say - oh well it's processed. At least I'm used to it.

[LitNetIsGreat]

Well I would sue the decorating company or at least get my money back. It's not OK to say that red's OK as it matches the curtains or whatever they try and con me with. I asked for blue, I paid for blue and I got red. Whether red is any good or not is not the point.

[Paulclem]

Well I would sue the decorating company or at least get my money back. It's not OK to say that red's OK as it matches the curtains or whatever they try and con me with. I asked for blue, I paid for blue and I got red. Whether red is any good or not is not the point.

You misunderstand me mate. I was merely stretching your analigy to fit the situation. I don't agree with it. My point is that people have been eating the mislabelled processed food for an indeterminate amount of time. (Their living room is already red so to speak). I don't think it's right but was just pointing out that people might go with Anymeat pies.


By the way, didn't you recently rant against out litigious society along with Emi? : )

[LitNetIsGreat]

Yeah, well, these deserve it...

I wonder how many people have taken these back to the shops asking for their money back?

[mortalterror]

Yeah, well, these deserve it...

I wonder how many people have taken these back to the shops asking for their money back?

"Yeah uh hi, how ya doin'. I've been shopping here for ten years and would like my money back for every hamburger I've ever purchased." "Sir, did you already eat the hamburgers?" "Yes." "And did you come back for more?" "That's not the point." "I really think it should be." "You gonna' give me my money back or not?" "I don't think so." "Soilent Green is people! IT'S PEOPLE!"

[LitNetIsGreat]

"Yeah uh hi, how ya doin'. I've been shopping here for ten years and would like my money back for every hamburger I've ever purchased." "Sir, did you already eat the hamburgers?" "Yes." "And did you come back for more?" "That's not the point." "I really think it should be." "You gonna' give me my money back or not?" "I don't think so." "Soilent Green is people! IT'S PEOPLE!"

“Well if you aren’t gonna give me my money back I’m going to, to use an Americanism, sue your ***!”
“On what grounds?”
“Well, it says 100% British beef on the packet.”
“Yes.”
“And there is a nice picture of a happy cow on the front with miles of green British farmland rolling over yonder.”
“Yes.”
“Well it’s Romanian Horse.”
“Well, err…”
“100% Romanian horse.”
“Yes, but, marketing…”
“Marketing? Miss-selling more like. Ever heard of P.P.I? Miss-selling. Good day Sir. My solicitor will be in touch. Shove that in your cake-hole.”

[JBI]

I've eaten many of those, donkey, horse, dog, crocodile, camel, snake, etc. it's interesting to note many south east Asians refuse to eat water buffalo. Beef was taboo in southern China until the 20th century (it still is not eaten that much) and people in Europe eat a lot of snails.

People need to be more open minded. As long as it is not unhealthy, and is not killed in barbaric manner.

[LitNetIsGreat]

It's not a case of been open minded at all though. It is the case of paying for one thing and getting another. If you ordered a pair of jeans off the internet and got a pink dress, would you be happy?

[prendrelemick]

“Well if you aren’t gonna give me my money back I’m going to, to use an Americanism, sue your ***!”
“On what grounds?”
“Well, it says 100% British beef on the packet.”
“Yes.”
“And there is a nice picture of a happy cow on the front with miles of green British farmland rolling over yonder.”
“Yes.”
“Well it’s Romanian Horse.”
“Well, err…”
“100% Romanian horse.”
“Yes, but, marketing…”
“Marketing? Miss-selling more like. Ever heard of P.P.I? Miss-selling. Good day Sir. My solicitor will be in touch. Shove that in your cake-hole.”


Can you prove it was horse? Or have you eaten the evidence ?

[LitNetIsGreat]

Can you prove it was horse? Or have you eaten the evidence ?

Ha, ha. God damn. I knew when I shopped at 'Besco's' that I should have sent some 'food' for DNA analysis, silly me.

[Emil Miller]

It's not a case of been open minded at all though. It is the case of paying for one thing and getting another. If you ordered a pair of jeans off the internet and got a pink dress, would you be happy?

I think there are a few on here who would.

[JBI]

It tasted good. It was a desirable cheap meal. If the jeans were nice I wouldn't care that they were Bangladeshi instead of Indian. Or dyed with one thing over the other. Sure labeling is good and all but Brits are freaking out, judging by the BBC not over it being different (as McDonald's uses filler too) but that it is horse. Horse is a good meat.

[Bluehound]

Coming from a household with a reasonable income, I am lucky enough not to eat cheap processed food very often.
However I would not be mortified about eating horse in general as it would seem a bit hypocritical when I eat lots of other animals.

Though I would be very upset at being tricked into eating cat or dog - yeah hands up I am a bit hypocritical after all.

But as I understand it miss labelling is a crime and also horses are injected with substances not Oked for human consumption - like Phenylbutazone. As someone who can't take NSAIDs for health reasons, I would be pretty annoyed if I had been eating alot of frozen horse from unknown sources.

[LitNetIsGreat]

There was another case a while ago where pork products had found its way into halal meat. Understandably that didn't go down well with Muslims at all. What next meat in vegetarian products?

Whether horse meat, pink dresses or Bangladeshi jeans are good or not is hardly the point. Some dodgy supplier has been using Romanian horse meat, instead of beef. That is a crime, it's fraud and the people doing it should be severely punished.

[Bluehound]

It will be interesting to see how much the price of meat based product go up by in light of this - it will be a good indicator of how much cheaply sourced and possibly " Ask us no questions and we will tell you no lies, Mr Findus " dodgy meat was in them.

[mortalterror]

“Well if you aren’t gonna give me my money back I’m going to, to use an Americanism, sue your ***!”
“On what grounds?”
“Well, it says 100% British beef on the packet.”
“Yes.”
“And there is a nice picture of a happy cow on the front with miles of green British farmland rolling over yonder.”
“Yes.”
“Well it’s Romanian Horse.”
“Well, err…”
“100% Romanian horse.”
“Yes, but, marketing…”
“Marketing? Miss-selling more like. Ever heard of P.P.I? Miss-selling. Good day Sir. My solicitor will be in touch. Shove that in your cake-hole.”

"You just want this money so you can go buy a horse now that you've found out how delicious they are, don't you?"

[Volya]

I don't really think anybody is tremendously bothered about the fact that it's horsemeat (or at least, they shouldn't be, it's just meat like any other). What we should be bothered about is the fact that it was labelled as beef. The consumer should know what they are getting. It's slightly different if, for example, the packaging didn't state what kind of meat it was, but labelling it as beef is outright lying, which should not be tolerated in industry, especially one as widespread as the food industry.

[cafolini]

If we are to take into account the word "horsesh*t," we should also count a lot more horses than the census bureau tallies.

[Delta40]

I love kangaroo meat. They cull thousands of them here each year so we might as well eat em...

[prendrelemick]

The problem of bute in horse meat is not a real factor , It is a painkiller and only really goes into rich people's old horses - or those owned by overly sentimental farmer's wives from yorkshire, who can't see the advantage of a nice cheap bullet, over years of expensive veterinary treatment for heaven's sake!

[Bluehound]

Not entirely true - it was found to be in 10% of horse meat that was sold as horse meat - it could be even higher in horse meat that has gotten into the chain illegally.

[Paulclem]

Not entirely true - it was found to be in 10% of horse meat that was sold as horse meat - it could be even higher in horse meat that has gotten into the chain illegally.

They don't think it to be of any significance in the dispute as the chap on the news said you'd need to eat a lot consistently for a long time.

[Paulclem]

More scandal - A Todmorden abatoir and some rocessing plant in Wales have been shut down. No good blaming the Romanians.

[Calidore]

Making lemonade:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/12/britain-horsemeat-idUSL5N0BBGJE20130212

[prendrelemick]

More scandal - A Todmorden abatoir and some rocessing plant in Wales have been shut down. No good blaming the Romanians.



I know, he's my local knacker man. I was at his place last week.

[DocHeart]

Ok, here's something not many people know about me.

Many years ago, I was with this lass. She liked cooking for me and making me fat. One evening she was making spag bol as I was sitting there smoking and drinking and trying to convince her that naked cooking truly is fashionable. She opened a tin of tomatoes and interrupted me with these words:

"I think someone owes me some money."

Cockroach in the tin of tomatoes. Seriously. Dead one, of course. Big one. Boss. Countless legs stretched out in eternally conserved agony.

She immediately sprung into action. She called her lawyer who advised her to report her finding to the police. The police took a statement, then took the tin with the cockroach and sealed it in a transparent plastic bag. It was to be sent to the state labs for analysis. We could have put it in there ourselves, you see. Anyway, then they took the supermarket receipt (the item had been bought that very evening) and placed it in an envelope in which you could fit the typed transcripts of the Nuremberg Trials.

Three months later we were told by the lawyer that the factory had been closed down. Victory! It seems the FDA went there and found that cockroaches had actually occupied the entire place, demanding better crawling conditions and the imprisonment of a bunch of workers who used to step on them for fun.

Unfortunately, almost a whole 10 years later, the trial which will decide whether the ex-girlfriend gets any cash from the factory owners is still pending. Given that the Greek justice system is currently focusing on seizing the homes of unemployed people who owe more than 1,000 euros in taxes, the current projection for a trial date is November 7, 2196.

Just thought I'd share. :)

DH

[Paulclem]

I know, he's my local knacker man. I was at his place last week.

Are they all at it, or is it just a few? I was wondering if they'll discover that it is widespread, and has been for a while. The conditions are right - economic downturn - people buying cheaper rather than dearer.

My own attitude is that, apart from the labelling fraud, people clearly like what they've been buying. It didn't come about because of consumer complaints about the state of the meat.

My wife invited the daughter's boyfriend for tea today. She said it would be a Findus Beef Lasagne.They've gone to his house. :biggrin5:

He's only a young lad - he doesn't realise.

[LitNetIsGreat]

Are they all at it, or is it just a few? I was wondering if they'll discover that it is widespread, and has been for a while. The conditions are right - economic downturn - people buying cheaper rather than dearer.

My own attitude is that, apart from the labelling fraud, people clearly like what they've been buying. It didn't come about because of consumer complaints about the state of the meat.

My wife invited the daughter's boyfriend for tea today. She said it would be a Findus Beef Lasagne.They've gone to his house. :biggrin5:

He's only a young lad - he doesn't realise.

Yes good question, come on Mick spill the beans.

Is it like the phone hacking scandal? Sold as 'just one rogue reporter?'

You could also see it as a bonus though; that there is actually some form of meat in these products!

...

That's a good way to get rid of unwanted boyfriends anyway.

Come, let's us dine...

[prendrelemick]

Well I could tell you some (alleged) stories about Bod, but he's always been allright with me. I remember once some Lads from the scottish isles turned up looking for his place with a huge bull seal in the back of a pickup. I didn't ask.

Just before Christmas he came and put down Jasmine, our old pony, and took it away. It's left me wondering if old jasmine is the cause of all this fuss, perhaps her DNA has spread throughout Europe..





EDIT: I'm not surprised that Morrisons have had an 18% increase in its meat sales, it has a verticle supply chain. All it's meat is bought on the hoof and goes through it's own abattoir and it's own processing plants. I think that will be the future model for all the supermarket chains.

The sales of horsemeat in Britain has also seen a big increase since the fuss began. I suppose people are curious.

[cacian]

The problem of bute in horse meat is not a real factor , It is a painkiller and only really goes into rich people's old horses - or those owned by overly sentimental farmer's wives from yorkshire, who can't see the advantage of a nice cheap bullet, over years of expensive veterinary treatment for heaven's sake!

The other issue is that whilst now one is able to test and detect new unwmanted meat such horse in food is one able to detect unwanted product that are fed directly to the animal that we consumer think it is safe to eat?
What I mean is one able to detect if the cattle such as beef and sheep as well as poultry is fed other unwanted product?
I think the foodchain through cattle is most worrying . I am guessing it may not be possible because of the way food is processed. I might be wrong but if the beef/sheep/poultry is being fed other stuff then are we aware of them?

[LitNetIsGreat]

The other issue is that whilst now one is able to test and detect new unwmanted meat such horse in food is one able to detect unwanted product that are fed directly to the animal that we consumer think it is safe to eat?
What I mean is one able to detect if the cattle such as beef and sheep as well as poultry is fed other unwanted product?
I think the foodchain through cattle is most worrying . I am guessing it may not be possible because of the way food is processed. I might be wrong but if the beef/sheep/poultry is being fed other stuff then are we aware of them?

Good question and the answer is no chance!! We can barely trace where or how horse got passed off as beef, and the fact that the horse was discovered at all was remote, let alone the feed of the animals!! Even now it is a nightmare trying to unravel the supply chain for this incident which traces its way all around Europe. Apparently the animals are tagged but if someone, somewhere along the supply line, swaps a 'horse' label for a 'beef' label no one knows! The chances of it being detected (according to this documentary I have just watched) are extremely remote. What's more with government cuts in the Food Standards Agency's budget, 40% in the last three years, it makes it even harder to spot dodgy food now and in the future. My advice: if you can't trust what's in the packet then don't eat food from a packet.

[Sancho]

In a related story:

Third Of Fish Sold In U.S. Mislabeled As Different Species

Using genetic testing, researchers found that one-third of all fish sold as food in the U.S. was actually a different species than the one listed on the label or menu, with sushi bars misleading consumers most often. What do you think?


“That’s why I stick to eating ground beef. I may not know what’s in it, but I know it’s gotta be one of four animals.”

Jorge Zapata –
Rivet Heater

- From the American Voices section of The Onion. (Man on the street interviews)

[Delta40]

Heh, heh, I arrived in UK two days ago and am thinking I've even eaten horse already....might need to go vegetarian. Feeling very sorry for Cap'n Birdseye....

[Gilliatt Gurgle]

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“…what goes in the patties only known to the boss…”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0hwTrNkJCg

(featuring the great Bill Kirchen and his Telecaster)