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WolfLarsen
12-15-2012, 11:24 AM
Canto 6
by Wolf Larsen
Let 6,000,000 tirades raaage before your face!
Because in you lives the summer, which is a distillery of horny-delight!
Making sweet vials of imaginary skies; which seethes with satanic drumbeats
Those drums beating & beating with beauty's rants to the gods of sin,
Whose sexual prowess is the most forbidden happiness,
Where poppies grow out of the coins in her eyes;
And now you're breeding another glorious devil with your heavenly-phallus!
So be ten times the great penis zapper! Be it ten inches for every saint’s Kingdom of Anus;
Ten inches in thyself were happier than endless summers of smiles,
If ten inches of the greatest verbs and ten inches of the most sinful noun:
Then what could death do, if thou shouldst depart to millions of stars,
Leaving poetry living in our sins?
Always sexing yourself with yourself, and thou art much too involved in sexy fairytales
To be death's smiling cake, and make worms happy is everybody's destiny!
Copyright 2012 by Wolf Larsen



Sonnet VI
by William Shakespeare
Then let not winter's ragged hand deface
In thee thy summer, ere thou be distill'd:
Make sweet some vial; treasure thou some place
With beauty's treasure, ere it be self-kill'd.
That use is not forbidden usury,
Which happies those that pay the willing loan;
That's for thyself to breed another thee,
Or ten times happier, be it ten for one;
Ten times thyself were happier than thou art,
If ten of thine ten times refigured thee:
Then what could death do, if thou shouldst depart,
Leaving thee living in posterity?
Be not self-will'd, for thou art much too fair
To be death's conquest and make worms thine heir.

DieterM
12-15-2012, 01:17 PM
Thou art sooooo bold, thou art sooooo brave! What's in your attempt? Zilch, I'm afraid. It's alas! beyond boring. Btw, when I mean to say c.o.c.k. or dick, I say c.o.c.k or dick. Not the surgical "penis". And even c.o.c.k. or dick won't shock anyone anymore these days... PS: check the German version of your website, or have it checked by someone who's a native German speaker like I am. Approximations tend to be very annoying for native speakers! The same is true for the French version!

Charles Darnay
12-15-2012, 01:46 PM
how could someone who rails against traditionalism and urges for creativity be so one-note?

YesNo
12-15-2012, 02:29 PM
I do like the project you have started: take each of Shakespeare's sonnets and use it as a prompt for a new poem. However, there is a tenderness in Shakespeare's sonnet that I don't see in yours.

Delta40
12-15-2012, 04:38 PM
Wolf you put me in a basket and label it 'traditionalist' as if you have somehow risen above us yet the extent of your creativity seldom goes beyond the genitalia and functions of the human body. I'm disappointed in you. :hand:

miyako73
12-15-2012, 05:52 PM
Wolf, I do believe you can write good, unconventional poetry. Some of your impressive lines in this one can prove that.

Unfortunately, your attempt to "over-sexualize" your work made it sound like you tried too hard to make this poem dirty and disgusting just so your readers would understand you as a unique poet who went against the grain.

Expressing is better than impressing, and showing what you can do is way better than telling us what you will not do.

Only you can write this one:

"Where poppies grow out of the coins in her eyes;"

Write more of this.

Phalluses and Anuses can be beautiful if they are not repeated as sticks filling and holes filled. We already know the Pope is Catholic.

Scheherazade
12-15-2012, 06:00 PM
Wolf, I do believe you can write good, unconventional poetry. Some of your impressive lines in this one can prove that. Unfortunately, your attempt to "over-sexualize" your work made it sound like you tried too hard to make this poem dirty and disgusting just so your readers will understand you as a unique poet who goes against the grain. Expressing is better than impressing, and showing what you can do is way better than telling us what you will not do.
Very much agree with this comment.

Delta40
12-15-2012, 06:10 PM
Yeah. The poppies got buried betwixt the sticking it to ya lines.

miyako73
12-15-2012, 06:13 PM
LOL, Delta. I guess the man has so much talent that he wants to waste some of it.

Delta40
12-15-2012, 06:16 PM
Pity it's so often expressed as human waste....

Pete Ak
12-16-2012, 03:35 AM
"Where poppies grow..." a strikingly arresting line which (for me) is a stand out image in this piece.

WolfLarsen
12-16-2012, 10:53 AM
Somebody said something about the piece lacking tenderness. You will find very little tenderness in my writing. How much tenderness do you expect from somebody who grow up on the South Side of Chicago, and who for 12 years worked in jobs connected to Alaska's commercial fishing industry? Ever see the most Deadliest Catch on Discovery? If you're looking for tenderness go look for Mother Teresa.

I never put Delta in any basket.

In addition, there is no attempt to "over-sexualize". I write what's in my head. Sex is natural. Some people simply are more uptight about sex than others. There is a lot of prudery in the literary world. Maybe it would help many writers if they had more sex. Sex is great for creativity! But if you don't know your partner that well don't forget the condoms!

And finally, Shakespeare is overrated. His sonnets are just not that good. Amongst other things they're mostly boring! And they're all about the same subject, or most of them. Talk about one note!

Delta40
12-16-2012, 04:44 PM
Sorry Wolf. I misunderstood your reference.

hillwalker
12-16-2012, 04:51 PM
Somebody said something about the piece lacking tenderness. You will find very little tenderness in my writing. How much tenderness do you expect from somebody who grow up on the South Side of Chicago, and who for 12 years worked in jobs connected to Alaska's commercial fishing industry?

Is that supposed to be an excuse? The same could be said for finding very little imagination in your work in that case since there's presumably a reason why you keep following the same line of thought in whatever you write.


And finally, Shakespeare is overrated. His sonnets are just not that good. Amongst other things they're mostly boring! And they're all about the same subject, or most of them. Talk about one note!

I assume this is an attempt at irony. Good one.

H

AuntShecky
12-17-2012, 05:30 PM
Irony. That's what I thought was Wolf's "thing" (no pun intended) when denigrating Shakespeare and putting himself in the Bard's place. But like any joke, once it's repeated over and over, it sort of loses its punch.

Yours fooly doesn't really buy the "sex and writing" schtick, any more than the "booze and writing." Both are myths. For the latter, a person has only so much energy to go around; one can sublimate a little of his (or her) sexual energy into creativity -- an actual phenomenon called "sublimation." But that doesn't mean that the writer's topics always have to cover sexual or scatological themes. As for the latter, in which some writers "have to" drink in order to unleash their creativity, I only speak for myself that I'd prefer to have a relatively-straight mode of thinking when I write. It's damn difficult even when I'm sober!

WolfLarsen
12-18-2012, 11:18 AM
Irony. That's what I thought was Wolf's "thing" (no pun intended) when denigrating Shakespeare and putting himself in the Bard's place. But like any joke, once it's repeated over and over, it sort of loses its punch.

Yours fooly doesn't really buy the "sex and writing" schtick, any more than the "booze and writing." Both are myths. For the latter, a person has only so much energy to go around; one can sublimate a little of his (or her) sexual energy into creativity -- an actual phenomenon called "sublimation." But that doesn't mean that the writer's topics always have to cover sexual or scatological themes. As for the latter, in which some writers "have to" drink in order to unleash their creativity, I only speak for myself that I'd prefer to have a relatively-straight mode of thinking when I write. It's damn difficult even when I'm sober!

I don't recall saying that drinking alcohol all day is going to help your writing – but drinking caffeine – yiiippppeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee caffeine! – although don't overdo it! – will definitely help. I don't know about others but I used to drink caffeine all day long while writing and then at night continue writing while having a few drinks of alcohol. I can only speak for myself but the first drink seem to help with creativity, the second drink seemed to bring pluses and minuses. More than two drinks began to have a negative effect on writing. By the end of the third drink I would just stop writing, but I would keep drinking, ha ha ha ha ha ha.

I never said that writers topics always have to cover sexual or scatological themes. Everybody's different. Some of us enjoy sex – sex is natural for us – and what is natural for us finds its way into our writing. What is not natural is the attempts of others to censor sex out of our writing. There's been too much censorship in writing because of sex. Lady Chatterley's Lover and an endless number of other books were banned because of sex. Today, political correct types and the religious right are promoting censorship in the literary world, and they have an audience amongst many of the uptight Puritans that can be found in the literary world. Writers should fight against all attempts at censorship!

Regarding scatological themes I've only found that to be of some creative use for me. That is, I don't find scatological issues to be nearly as inspirational in writing as sex. But let's face it: bowel movements are a part of our life, and we should use it in our writing whenever we see fit. Salvador Dali, an immensely creative person, was obsessed with scatological topics. If Puritans are upset by this, it is they who have a problem, not the writer. Why get upset about something you do every day?

And when I tell you that Shakespeare is overrated I'm not being ironic. I'm better than Shakespeare. I'm a public school educated dockworker, and I write better poetry than Shakespeare. Does that say great things about me, or is it an indictment of the canon? Shakespeare doesn't write great poetry. Shakespeare is not a bad poet, but his sonnets just aren't as good as the academic/literary establishment tells us. There are people posting on the Internet who are writing better poetry than Shakespeare. Some of them have posted on this Internet site, but they stopped posting here after some very mean comments made by individuals with traditionalist preferences. Maybe it was just a coincidence that they stopped posting here after those mean comments, maybe not.

hillwalker
12-18-2012, 12:54 PM
There are people posting on the Internet who are writing better poetry than Shakespeare. Some of them have posted on this Internet site, but they stopped posting here after some very mean comments made by individuals with traditionalist preferences. Maybe it was just a coincidence that they stopped posting here after those mean comments, maybe not.

Another snide dig at those of us who find your work boring and self-indulgent, but no one else's?
Maybe it's time I skedaddled again.

H

miyako73
12-18-2012, 01:06 PM
Don't disappear, Hill. Wolf is just adding fun to the board.

E.A Rumfield
12-18-2012, 01:28 PM
You remind me of these indie kids today, you try so hard to stand stand out that you wind up just fitting in and making yourself redundant.

miyako73
12-18-2012, 02:02 PM
My opinion on anything radical or conventional, as far as fiction is concerned, is that it should be controlled and moderated. Anything excessive would come out too loud or too mute. One thing I've realized recently while writing my novel is that writing is a self-negotiation. I weigh everything--words, metaphors, style, story, character, conflict, etc.--to avoid having something weightless or overweight in my writing.

E.A Rumfield
12-18-2012, 02:07 PM
My opinion on anything radical or conventional, as far as fiction is concerned, is that it should be controlled and moderated. Anything excessive would come out too loud or too mute. One thing I've realized recently while writing my novel is that writing is a self-negotiation. I weigh everything--words, metaphors, style, story, character, conflict, etc.--to avoid having something weightless or overweight in my writing.

I wasn't talking about you.

miyako73
12-18-2012, 02:13 PM
I know.

Pierre Menard
12-18-2012, 02:17 PM
And when I tell you that Shakespeare is overrated I'm not being ironic. I'm better than Shakespeare. I'm a public school educated dockworker, and I write better poetry than Shakespeare. Does that say great things about me, or is it an indictment of the canon? Shakespeare doesn't write great poetry. Shakespeare is not a bad poet, but his sonnets just aren't as good as the academic/literary establishment tells us. There are people posting on the Internet who are writing better poetry than Shakespeare. Some of them have posted on this Internet site, but they stopped posting here after some very mean comments made by individuals with traditionalist preferences. Maybe it was just a coincidence that they stopped posting here after those mean comments, maybe not.


This is brilliant.

Though not for the reasons WolfLarsen would hope for, I'm sure.

cafolini
12-18-2012, 02:18 PM
They that have power to hurt and will do none,
That do not do the thing they most do show,
Who, moving others, are themselves as stone,
Unmoved, cold, and to temptation slow,
They rightly do inherit heaven's graces
And husband nature's riches from expense;
They are the lords and owners of their peanuts,
Others but stewards of their pestilence.

Jerrybaldy
12-20-2012, 08:19 PM
The feedback on such bollocks as this that I have just added to ,sucks the credibility out of this place. It has no merit unless you want to give merit to any crap anybody ever thought and tapped on a keyboard.

hillwalker
12-21-2012, 07:28 AM
Agreed ^^ I despair at the impression this kind of dross gives anyone wandering onto this site looking for inspiration or guidance.

H