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BienvenuJDC
11-11-2012, 03:24 PM
This year I will be throwing a Victorian Christmas Party. I have gotten a lot of ideas from old traditions found in songs, poems, and literature. I've already tried a recipe for Figgy Pudding (which is nothing like I would have expected). I've asked various people to bring such things as sugarplums, eggnog, wassail, and roasted chestnuts. I will be reciting A Visit from St Nicholas by Clement C Moore, and we will be singing Christmas Carols. (there will be no viewing movies this night) We will also be exchanging gifts that are all to be completely homemade.

Now I appeal to you all. You are all from diverse cultures and are well educated in literature. Would you share different traditions, foods, games, and activities that could possibly fit in to this themed party? I know there are some things in books like The Christmas Carol, but I want to see what all else you guys may know of.

Jackson Richardson
11-11-2012, 04:46 PM
From a A Christmas Carol you can learn a lot of things, particularly that a lot of the things that go on nowadays didn't go on then.

There are no Christmas parties earlier than the evening of 24 December (the Fezziwigs ball), although carol singers may go round the streets earlier that day.

The Cratchits have no Christmas tree.

Bob Cratchit and Tiny Tim go to church on Christmas Day.

There are no fresh vegetables in the Cratchit Christmas lunch. Being poor, they don't seem to have any Christmas presents either.

And for a late Victorian take on Christmas, here's George R Sims http://www.christmas-time.com/cp-work.html

kiki1982
11-11-2012, 07:23 PM
Well, the Christmas tree was a true Victorian product. Well, an Albertian product, actually. When Queen Victoria married her German Albert, each year he had 6 huge Christmas trees shipped from the Black Forest to England to decorate the palace. The splendour of that very heathen (to a certain extent) and very very traditional cosy feel of this festival appealed so much that in no time, the higher classes and the middle class absolutely needed that Christmas tree. The fire hasard because of the candles in the Christmas trees became so bad that the London fire service forbade lighting any candles in trees before the 24th.
It is still a great wish of mine to burn candles in a Christmas tree once, to see what it's like. It must be magical. But I don't dare to :(. Maybe outside.

Before the Christmas tree, people used holly (signature bush of the male Celtic God whose feast it s on the 24th or midwinter) and mistletoe to decorate the house, as they had done since Celtic times. A 1970s adaptation of Emma features that. Funny.

What about fish for dinner? In Poland and parts of Germany it is still a tradition to eat fish for dinner on Christmas Eve. I think it has to do with a heathen goddess who would rip open your tummy if you had eaten meat or if you hadn't done your work. I can't recall how the two got muddled up...

In Ireland they used to give people soul cakes. I think it started as a kind of offering to the spirits, but poor people used to eat them.

Jackson Richardson
11-13-2012, 09:01 AM
The fish on Christmas Eve is because it is a fast day (or a meat free day at least) as the vigil to a major feast. Sir Gawayne and the Grene Knyght includes an account of a sumptuous banquet on Christmas Eve, but with no meat for that reason.

ennison
11-13-2012, 09:48 AM
I have never understood why citizens of a republic use the term Victorian as if it was part of their own history. Christmas in my tradition was not celebrated much and is a recent English import. Still any excuse for a midwinter pagan binge. I'd go with that!

TheFifthElement
11-13-2012, 10:27 AM
We will also be exchanging gifts that are all to be completely homemade.

You may want to consider exchanging gifts on Boxing Day (Dec 26th - also St Stephen's Day & the Feast of Stephen from the Good King Wenceslas carol) rather than Christmas Day. Boxing Day was the traditional day for employers to give gifts to their employees and when the churches opened the alm boxes for the poor. Most of your ordinary Victorian folk would be more likely to receive 'gifts' on this day.

OrphanPip
11-13-2012, 02:54 PM
I have never understood why citizens of a republic use the term Victorian as if it was part of their own history. Christmas in my tradition was not celebrated much and is a recent English import. Still any excuse for a midwinter pagan binge. I'd go with that!

Because it refers to a particular culture and period? Victorian is far more succinct than "mid-19th century British culture," and it can encompass extensions to imperial manifestations of that culture in places like India or Canada. It also makes a useful distinction from mid-century American culture dominated by the Civil War and the Western expansion.

Jackson Richardson
11-13-2012, 03:21 PM
And something that the modern age tends to forget when it thinks Christmas begins some time in mid-November. In A Christmas Carol the Fezziwigs don't think of having a Christmas party before the evening of 24 December. There were certainly traditions of keeping the twelve days after Christmas up to the feast of the Epiphany on 6 January (when Spanish and Italian children receive their presents). There were certainly Twelfth Night traditions you might like to look up.

The superstition now is you should take down the Christmas decorations on 6 January. My view is you should certainly keep them up until then.

LitNetIsGreat
11-13-2012, 04:33 PM
It sounds fun. You should make yourself some mulled wine or some wassail punch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe76pKoCZOs
4 minutes, 16.

(~The woman at the start of the video making crackers is the great Ruth Goodman!! I like to tease Mrs Neely saying that I am in love with her - she is very good at all sorts of Victorian things though to be fair. I went to see her talk once and sat right in the front row, haaaaa...Now that is a women who will stitch you some socks while you are out on the farm doing battle with the elements.)

Edit: to use a modern teen expression (once and never again) I will say, 9 minutes 50 on the video and OMG!

BienvenuJDC
11-13-2012, 06:47 PM
Because it refers to a particular culture and period? Victorian is far more succinct than "mid-19th century British culture," and it can encompass extensions to imperial manifestations of that culture in places like India or Canada. It also makes a useful distinction from mid-century American culture dominated by the Civil War and the Western expansion.

Thanks, OP. You actually answered that quite well for me.

Buh4Bee
11-13-2012, 09:20 PM
My mother-in-law brought back Christmas "crackers" from Wales for last Christmas. We enjoyed them!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/victorianchristmas/activity/christmas-crackers.shtml

There are many crafts that you can do ahead of time, since you are giving home made gift. You can also decorate the tree with some paper craft ornaments.

ennison
11-13-2012, 10:59 PM
Yes but it's strangely Anglocentric for a foreign country and suggests that really you are frustrated Royalists. Anyway it may be no more than an unconscious habit but it irritates me to see a fellow like Ibsen (an example you understand) referred to as a Victorian. The Victorian era was specifically a UK era. PS if you really want 'em ...

TheFifthElement
11-15-2012, 03:30 AM
My mother-in-law brought back Christmas "crackers" from Wales for last Christmas. We enjoyed them!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/victorianchristmas/activity/christmas-crackers.shtml

There are many crafts that you can do ahead of time, since you are giving home made gift. You can also decorate the tree with some paper craft ornaments.
I thought Christmas crackers were universal :(

Jackson Richardson
11-15-2012, 05:46 AM
Here's positive suggestion.

In the UK now the invariable centre of the Christmas dinner is roast turkey. In the US you have turkey as the center (sic) of the Thanksgiving dinner, so I don't know if turkey is as ubiquitous at Xmas.

However turkey in the UK is a newcomer. The bird for the Victorians would have been a goose. My mum told me that here granny always had goose, and it is what the Crachits have for their dinner (with potatoes and no green veg).

A goose is like a big duck, so it has more fat than a turkey. I've never roasted either whole, but I imagine you need to take a bit more care with a goose. There's less meat on a goose (although that isn't a disadvantage - cold turkey (literally) is eaten endlessly in the UK after 25 December) and the meat is darker. But it is a far more interesting and tasty meat that turkey. I believe sage and onion stuffing and apple sauce.

But the must-have is a Christmas pudding. The fifth Sunday before Christmas was sometimes known as "Stir Up Sunday" because it was the day to mix the puddings, and the prayer for the day in church began "Stir up, O Lord, the wills of your faithful people.." It should be made well in advance, and served up on the day with flaming brandy. (See Through the Looking Glass for a mention.)

qimissung
12-31-2012, 09:08 PM
So how did it go, Bienvenu?

BienvenuJDC
01-01-2013, 05:37 AM
Due to a death at our church, and the funeral of the individual being scheduled at the same time, the party had to be postponed. We had it the next day, but many people could not come, and the arrangements were much different and unplanned. But we did take the party to a young stroke victim...and made his day. Another one is already planned for next year.

Buh4Bee
01-04-2013, 11:32 PM
I was wondering how your party went. I can relate to how unexpected events can impact your plans in a negative way. My NY plans were shot. I am glad to hear that it was successful enough to do again next year. It must have all been worth it for the stroke victim's enjoyment. Wish I could have come with my family. Happy New Year!
:seeya:

qimissung
01-05-2013, 01:42 AM
Yeah, it's interesting how things fell apart then came back together in a very good way. I know you made that patient's Christmas.