strip clubs legality or depravity?

[cacian]

Should strip clubs be stripped of their licence because they encourage young people to get into the business easily and sell their body in a bar. I have known young women who got into because it is easy money and yet when they are approached at night time after leaving the place where they work they are shocked that they are being harassed or attacked by men.
More and more strip clubs are taken over the highs streets as if they are part of our daily life which is not the case.
We went skiing to Bulgaria last year and there were a least t five strip clubs on the small resort where we were staying.
We could not go anywhere for a walk without being confronted withone. I was quite taken aback myself of the amount there was. It felt as if it was set up for the tourist industry coming for a skiing holiday.
Poverty is one incentive for strip clubs to make money out people young or old.
I think the idea that a strip clubs strip young ladies from their own innocence teach them easy money and so it is more corruptible for both the women and the punters long term.

[tonywalt]

it would be nice to think that one can go to a bar any bar especially on ahigh streets hope to get a drink in peace without having someone taking their clothes off at them.

I heartily agree...every bar i go to there i have this problem. Sometimes (getting reallly annoyed now:brickwall) - they're not even professional-just ordinary girls on holiday, they just pick me out......

[cacian]

I heartily agree...every bar i go to there i have this problem. Sometimes (getting reallly annoyed now:brickwall) - they're not even professional-just ordinary girls on holiday, they just pick me out......

Funny you say that. We were once in this little place of the coast of corfu in a little island. Myself and an ex were sitting one evening having a drink outside this bar and this girl aged sixteen or so came up and lifted her dress at my ex out of the blue. See you don't need a bar anymore you can do it anywhere.
Once you get the idea then anywhere will do. Anyway we just did not know what to do. It was weird.

[cafolini]

It might be a lot better than a Roman Catholic bishop with the alter boys.

[tonywalt]

Funny you say that. We were once in this little place of the coast of corfu in a little island. Myself and an ex were sitting one evening having a drink outside this bar and this girl aged sixteen or so came up and lifted her dress at my ex out of the blue. See you don't need a bar anymore you can do it anywhere.
Once you get the idea then anywhere will do. Anyway we just did not know what to do. It was weird.

Niice. Was she hot?

[cacian]

Niice. Was she hot?

she was sixteen that I can tell you.
although tony does it matter whether she was or not she lifted her dress didn't she isn't that enough haha?

[cacian]

It might be a lot better than a Roman Catholic bishop with the alter boys.

A roman catholic especially or any religious figure?
I think with priests it is the fact that men are cooped up together for a very long time without any incentive in life apart from bibles and prayers affect the human psychic and incite for abuse especially where there is a big congregations of men and children living together under the same roof.
It is not healthy and natural to be in this situation.
I would probably say that celibacy is not natural for humans but then I am sure many will have a go at what I said.

[Phocion]

Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it should be illegal; when will people learn this?

They're only some tits for christ sake, what's the outrage?

[cacian]

Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it should be illegal; when will people learn this?

They're only some tits for christ sake, what's the outrage?

LOl
The outrage is in the fact that many of them have sprung in town centers in front of cathedrals and there is even some opposite a university.
Where I am there is a massage parlour back to back with this Franciscan Church.
It does not look right is what I am trying to say.

[tonywalt]

she was sixteen that I can tell you.
although tony does it matter whether she was or not she lifted her dress didn't she isn't that enough haha?

Yes, it does.

[cacian]

Yes, it does.

Haha Ok well I do not know what HOT is for a guy I am afraid I am a ladette.
If I was a guy however I would find this kind of behaviour quite unattractive myself unappealing might the word. I like people with their clothes on. I like banter with clothes on.

[Alexander III]

she was sixteen that I can tell you.
although tony does it matter whether she was or not she lifted her dress didn't she isn't that enough haha?


Yes, it does.

Old enough to bleed; old enough to breed.

[tonywalt]

Haha Ok well I do not know what HOT is for a guy I am afraid I am a ladette.
If I was a guy however I would find this kind of behaviour quite unattractive myself unappealing might the word. I like people with their clothes on. I like banter with clothes on.

Actually, that's incorrect, although I suspect you already have to know that.

[cacian]

Actually, that's incorrect, although I suspect you already have to know that.

what is incorrect?

[tonywalt]

Can you think of a solitary sane reason why I would argue with you as to whether men like women to strip in front of them?

[Emil Miller]

Strip clubs are usually legal but whether they are deemed depraved is a matter of personal predilection.
It might be an unfortunate fact, but as long as men like to see the female form without the encumbrance of clothing, there will be venues available, in one form or another, to those who enjoy the experience.
In my youth, I occasionally saw les girls but, on one occasion, I went with some friends to a club in central London and stood there in the dark with strobe lights flashing and drinking a beer while a lot of other guys also stood around watching a lissom young lady gyrate on the stage. There was one guy standing at the bar in a group who looked the managerial type. A couple of days later I started work at a new job and was taken to see the boss and, lo and behold, it was he. We shook hands and he looked at me and said "Haven't I seen you before somewhere?"
In such situations, discretion is always the better part of valour and I said that I didn't think so.

[Volya]

What's wrong with strip clubs? If a man wants to pay to go see naked women dancing, that's his choice to do it, and the women's choice to perform. If both sides are happy with it, I don't see why they should have to stop.

[lilimarlene]

Can you think of a solitary sane reason why I would argue with you as to whether men like women to strip in front of them?


Well I agree with you there. I can not imagine why someone finds it odd that a person of the opposite sex likes to watch an attractive person take off their clothes. it`s a huge turn on and let`s not forget that we women like to see men (attractive) strip as well.

[OrphanPip]

The level of "depravity" depends on the clubs and countries. A lot of places don't even allow full nudity in clubs. Where as, full contact clubs are the norm in Montreal. At the same time there are a couple of no contact "gentlemen's clubs" left.

I'm also pretty indifferent to the prospect of women stripping in front of me.

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

We went skiing to Bulgaria last year and there were a least t five strip clubs on the small resort where we were staying.

I know where I'm going for my next vacation.

[stlukesguild]

Hey... Montreal sounds good too... and a lot less travel time than Bulgaria. I also hear that some of the natives even speak English.

[DocHeart]

I have four words to say. Here they go:

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[cacian]

Can you think of a solitary sane reason why I would argue with you as to whether men like women to strip in front of them?

Oh I understand now.
I can't think of any reasons why you would not but I am not a guy and as I said if I was a guy then this would not be my attraction.
That is all I wanted to say.

[cacian]

I know where I'm going for my next vacation.

Good luck and make sure you have lots of money on you. It is not cheap.

[cacian]

The level of "depravity" depends on the clubs and countries. A lot of places don't even allow full nudity in clubs. Where as, full contact clubs are the norm in Montreal. At the same time there are a couple of no contact "gentlemen's clubs" left.

I'm also pretty indifferent to the prospect of women stripping in front of me.

The non contact bit must be quite a hard thing to do for a man. I have always found it incredible how men can look but can't touch.
It made me think it must be some kind taunt I would not want to take on myself knowing that the whole point of nudity between two people is that there is contact.
But then again I am not a man so I don't know what really goes on in a man's mind when he looks at a nude person and does not touch.

[Volya]

The non contact bit must be quite a hard thing to do for a man. I have always found it incredible how men can look but can't touch.
It made me think it must be some kind taunt I would not want to take on myself knowing that the whole point of nudity between two people is that there is contact.
But then again I am not a man so I don't know what really goes on in a man's mind when he looks at a nude person and does not touch.

Self-control really isn't THAT hard. Men aren't completely sex-driven...

[Lokasenna]

They don't really bother me. I've never been in one, and probably never will, but if other people want to spend their money on watching women gyrate, that's their prerogative. I know of several female students who fund their degrees through working in strip-joints and lap-dancing clubs - I am told the money is excellent.

Nor am I bothered by the location of such places - they've got to be somewhere, and I don't think you can really complain if that happens to be within eyeshot of a church. The only time it slightly upset me was when I was in Paris, and the main road up to Sacré-Cœur (a very beautiful and important church) was populated almost exclusively with sex shops - but this was more because it detracted from the historic and handsome aspect of the street, rather than on moral grounds.

Finally, speaking as someone who has, for one reason or another, seen most of Europe's red-light districts, strip-clubs are pretty tame. Nothing to the sorts of things you see down the Reeperbahn or downtown Amsterdam.

[Paulclem]

I've never been to a strip club, but I've been in bars where there were strippers. I don't get them. Is there a difference between watching in a bar and watching on TV? There might be touching clubs, but does that include sex? If not then what's the point of it all? If it includes sex, then it is another form of prostitution. The same goes for lap dancing and pole dancing. So what? is my response. I'm not against them or morally outraged, but I think all it comes down to - like most things - is money for an eyeful and nothing else. So why bother?

These places are built on the foolishness of men, but do they do a social good? There's been a lot of exploitation of women from poorer countries recently, and they may add some intangible something to negative attitudes towards women. They don't exactly allow women to portray themselves as real - of course - but does this affect the attitude of men or can they separate fantasy from reality? I suspect most can, but some may not.

My experience of watching strippers in the pubs was that it was all rather embarrassing really.

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

Hey... Montreal sounds good too... and a lot less travel time than Bulgaria. I also hear that some of the natives even speak English.

Actually, I don't need to really go anywhere further than a 30 minute drive to a smelly, corrupt town called Sauget. I don't even know how many strip clubs they have (there is a Larry Flint's) in Sauget, but I do know many are pretty much brothels--some extra cash gets you more than a lap-dance.

As to the broader concept of a strip club, I don't see the big deal. Women undress and dance around, and make pretty good money doing it. Never struck me as that big of a deal.

[cacian]

I've never been to a strip club, but I've been in bars where there were strippers. I don't get them. Is there a difference between watching in a bar and watching on TV? There might be touching clubs, but does that include sex? If not then what's the point of it all? If it includes sex, then it is another form of prostitution. The same goes for lap dancing and pole dancing. So what? is my response. I'm not against them or morally outraged, but I think all it comes down to - like most things - is money for an eyeful and nothing else. So why bother?

Well there was a programm about it once and showed that many of the strippers would actually go off for sex with a man after they have finished working. Some of them do take it to another level and that is perhaps prostitution of a different kind. It is all about money. The other thing is that it is not safe.


These places are built on the foolishness of men, but do they do a social good? There's been a lot of exploitation of women from poorer countries recently, and they may add some intangible something to negative attitudes towards women. They don't exactly allow women to portray themselves as real - of course - but does this affect the attitude of men or can they separate fantasy from reality? I suspect most can, but some may not.
I suppose it depends on what fantasy is for men or women if it is taking one's clothes off then that it is simple but fantasies do not step is the trouble.


My experience of watching strippers in the pubs was that it was all rather embarrassing really.
Agreed.

[Emil Miller]

The only time it slightly upset me was when I was in Paris, and the main road up to Sacré-Cœur (a very beautiful and important church) was populated almost exclusively with sex shops - but this was more because it detracted from the historic and handsome aspect of the street, rather than on moral grounds.



Ah yes, the Boulevard de Clichy which was once the haunt of prostitutes rather than sex shops and it was impossible to walk the few hundred yards to Pigalle without being propositioned by the girls. They have largely disappeared and the sex shops have over the years arrived in no small measure. The last time I was there, I had a drink in a bar with a couple of Malaysian girls who were surprised when I told them that it used to be a brothel.

[cacian]

Ah yes, the Boulevard de Clichy which was once the haunt of prostitutes rather than sex shops and it was impossible to walk the few hundred yards to Pigalle without being propositioned by the girls. They have largely disappeared and the sex shops have over the years arrived in no small measure. The last time I was there, I had a drink in a bar with a couple of Malaysian girls who were surprised when I told them that it used to be a brothel.
It is amasing how things move on from a prostituted place and onto a bar. Money buys it all and one wonders what and where about the actual prostitutes. Where do they go?
I once was in Marseille walking this alleyway and a car did a near hit and run which threw me to pavement. I was lucky it hit the rucksack I was carrying.
The next minute I looked up and there I was surrounded by prostitutes all looking down on me to check I was OK. It was about three in the afternoon. Some were transvestites you can tell.
It was weird.
Actually Bois de Boulogne comes to mind. I call it the wood of the corrupt and oops Red Riding Hood comes up too. Too many woods and not enough land.