Jesus God and The Virgin Mary

[cacian]

I really wish to clear this if I may.
Jesus is a crucial figure to christianity and religions as a whole and since he is claimed to be the only son of god amongst many prophets before him I thought I would ask your belief about his true lineage.
If he was the son God then he must have been the favoruite amongst all the other important prophets before him and after him since Mohammed was the last prophet.
Favouritism is regarded as discrimination here on this earth but with Jesus that must have been a reason why suddenly god send a son. Why not a daughter for instance?
Does that mean there is one God only that rules the heavens and not many other gods which I more inclined to believe there. Loneliness can be a harsh place to be if God the only ruler.
Theoratically looking at the Greek mythology they instead had many Gods.

Thank you for taking part!

[BienvenuJDC]

Jesus is part of the Godhead (Three persons: Jehovah, the Messiah, and the Spirit) that existed before the creation. They together are one because there is no disagreement between them. When man fell from grace they devised a plan to reunite mankind to them. One of them (the Messiah) would come down in the form of man (mankind, that is) to take the punishment for sin. Jesus came as a male because He is considered the Husband of those who would follow Him.

And for the record, Muhammad has nothing to do with Christianity and is a false prophet as far as that is concerned.

[cacian]

BienvenuJDC thank you for posting.
I never knew about the concept of Godhead. So this is really helpful.
About Jehovah I am trying to understand the concept of 'witnesses'.
I don't know why it reminds of the idea of when Jesus came back from the dead at easter there was someone a witness that saw Jesus him rising on the third day?
Would the witnessing count be the same in both?


Jesus came as a male because He is considered the Husband of those who would follow Him.
I understand now however what about men followers?
I know that the Bible says Jesus was married to the church as part of his role.


And for the record, Muhammad has nothing to do with Christianity and is a false prophet as far as that is concerned.
I did not mean the propher Mohammad was part of Christianity of course not.
Where do you know that this prophet was fake?

[Volya]

BienvenuJDC thank you for posting.
I never knew about the concept of Godhead. So this is really helpful.
About Jehovah I am trying to understand the concept of 'witnesses'.
I don't know why it reminds of the idea of when Jesus came back from the dead at easter there was someone a witness that saw Jesus him rising on the third day?
Would the witnessing count be the same in both?


I understand now however what about men followers?
I know that the Bible says Jesus was married to the church as part of his role.


I did not mean the propher Mohammad was part of Christianity of course not.
Where do you know that this prophet was fake?

Mohammed is only considered a prophet in Islam. I don't think he is mentioned in the Bible.

[Charles Darnay]

Mohammed is only considered a prophet in Islam. I don't think he is mentioned in the Bible.

He has yet to be born at the time of the writing of the Bible, so no, he is not mentioned.

[Charles Darnay]

I really wish to clear this if I may.
Jesus is a crucial figure to christianity and religions as a whole and since he is claimed to be the only son of god amongst many prophets before him I thought I would ask your belief about his true lineage.
If he was the son God then he must have been the favoruite amongst all the other important prophets before him and after him since Mohammed was the last prophet.
Favouritism is regarded as discrimination here on this earth but with Jesus that must have been a reason why suddenly god send a son. Why not a daughter for instance?
Does that mean there is one God only that rules the heavens and not many other gods which I more inclined to believe there. Loneliness can be a harsh place to be if God the only ruler.
Theoratically looking at the Greek mythology they instead had many Gods.

Thank you for taking part!

You are operating in some sort of world where the Christian version is the only version. I am consistently more inclined to believe that you have a time machine and are really from the 14th cnetury.

Jesus is a crucial figure in Christianity - and only Christianity. He is not mentioned, nor is the favourite, of any prophets before him (Biblical scholars like to mine the Old Testament for foreshadows of Jesus, but this is a case of selective reading).

The Qua'ran acknowledges Jesus (as well as all other prophets) as prophets, but because it tries to put Islam above Christianity, he is a lesser prophet.

If you believe in the god of Abraham (Jewish, Christian, Islam, Mormon...) then yes, there is only one god. However, there are many religions which believe in many gods, and don't care at all about Jesus, who they consider to be fictional for the most part.

[cafolini]

Around 732 A.D. Mohammed had taken over, instituted the system and the whole thing was ready for expansion. Malacca became the center and pivot of Islam. In due time, it took over most of the business of Venice. It would not begin to fall until the middle of the 15th century.

[YesNo]

I marked that "I am not sure" because I don't know what all the belief implications are. As a "nondenominational" panentheist, I have no problem with God incarnating multiple times as a human being or some other species. Claiming Jesus is God is not a problem for me. Where I would fall out from Christianity is that I also think Rama and Krishna are incarnations as well and I suspect most Christians would insist that only Jesus could be an incarnation.

[phoenixtears]

I believe that there is only one God and Jesus(peace be upon him) is one of His mightiest messengers who had a miraculous birth.
About the mention of Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him) in the Bible, the prediction that a messenger is going to come is given in the Old as well as the New Testament which refer to none other than Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him).

[Charles Darnay]

If you are referring to the Gospel of Barnabas, that thing is in all likelihood a forgery, first discovered after Muhammad's triumphs.

[phoenixtears]

If you are referring to the Gospel of Barnabas, that thing is in all likelihood a forgery, first discovered after Muhammad's triumphs.

Sorry, I was trying to edit my post but the network wasn't working. I got it done at last. I wasn't talking about the Gospel of Barnabas but the predictions are given in Deuteronomy and in some other places as well.

[cafolini]

Unfortunately or fortunately there is no specific mention on Muhammed in Deuteronomy. It's pure speculation.

[byquist]

Jesus knew the Old Testament folks, and in fact in the Transfiguration communicated with Moses and Elija, which is an interesting turn of events. So Jesus knew about Daniel surviving the lions den, the axe handle rising to the top of the water (defies gravity), the sun standing still, chariots of fire around Elija, Elija curing the boy who was dead, the oil in one pot expanding to many, Ruth's courage resulting in a sweet relationship with a new husband. He learned the meanings of these ways of thinking that improved, cured, redeemed the experiences of many individuals. Also, Naaman learning humility.

Then, he put these lines of reasoning and vision into three years of extensive healing work, feeding 5 thousand people with little food, stopping storms, and defying material rules (as saying to look to one's fields for they are already white to harvest -- not having to wait for standard germination of seed and growth of a plant). Everything he did defied physics. He was above physics, a metaphysician.

He said "go and do likewise" and everyone can to some degree. But, his control over matter was the ultimate standard. Thus, he is unique, the Way-shower, the one of a kind. Plus, virgin birth and resurrection and ascension, that is very high for humans, who think that they consist of mortality, to grasp. Still, the standard was set by Jesus.

[cacian]

Jesus knew the Old Testament folks, and in fact in the Transfiguration communicated with Moses and Elija, which is an interesting turn of events. So Jesus knew about Daniel surviving the lions den, the axe handle rising to the top of the water (defies gravity), the sun standing still, chariots of fire around Elija, Elija curing the boy who was dead, the oil in one pot expanding to many, Ruth's courage resulting in a sweet relationship with a new husband. He learned the meanings of these ways of thinking that improved, cured, redeemed the experiences of many individuals. Also, Naaman learning humility.

Then, he put these lines of reasoning and vision into three years of extensive healing work, feeding 5 thousand people with little food, stopping storms, and defying material rules (as saying to look to one's fields for they are already white to harvest -- not having to wait for standard germination of seed and growth of a plant). Everything he did defied physics. He was above physics, a metaphysician.

He said "go and do likewise" and everyone can to some degree. But, his control over matter was the ultimate standard. Thus, he is unique, the Way-shower, the one of a kind. Plus, virgin birth and resurrection and ascension, that is very high for humans, who think that they consist of mortality, to grasp. Still, the standard was set by Jesus.

I think at this point religion must become instinctive.
One can only go with how they feel their instinct is telling them.
No matter how a book a story or a Bible puts things to the reader one can only go with they can and not what they must believe.

[cafolini]

I think at this point religion must become instinctive.
One can only go with how they feel their instinct is telling them.
No matter how a book a story or a Bible puts things to the reader one can only go with they can and not what they must believe.

I think your obvious wild nature desn't let you see the discipline and absolute mechanics with which religions can be manifested and instituted. The instinctive would part from there. Not the other way around.

[cacian]

I think your obvious wild nature desn't let you see the discipline and absolute mechanics with which religions can be manifested and instituted. The instinctive would part from there. Not the other way around.

Instinct is usually an inner belief that something is not right or does not feel familiar to the individual.
Questioning the Bible is an instinctive part of understanding in order to believe.
Without understanding there is not truth in the belief.
That is how I see it.
I only act and say with regard to all things because firstly of my instinct and secondly of my understanding of things. and how I grasp their meanings.
If something is not logical to me or makes sense religious or not I cannot entirely believe in it.
That is me however others are different.

[cacian]

What is the significance of this
"can ye drink of the cup that I drink of?", is the question that Jesus asks St. James and St. John in the Gospel of Mark, chapter 10, vs 38–39, to challenge their commitment in becoming his disciples.
How is sharing a glass with someone means commitment?

and this one:

There is a verse in the Bible in the Book of John: 11:35; it says, "He wept." It's one of the shortest verses in the Bible.

The story is about a friend of Jesus, who was very sick, the friend's sisters came to Jesus pleading for Jesus to come before their brother died. Jesus stayed away and came 4 days later. The sisters came and said, 'It's too late our brother is gone, we put him in a tomb and he is decaying. When Jesus heard this, it says that He wept. He wept because the people didn't understand that Jesus is the Christ, the Resurrected One. He wants to show that if we just believe in Him, we will be given life as He gave back life to His friend Lazarus.

I do not understand the bit where he weeps?
Sorry.

[caddy_caddy]

Jesus is part of the Godhead (Three persons: Jehovah, the Messiah, and the Spirit) that existed before the creation. They together are one because there is no disagreement between them. When man fell from grace they devised a plan to reunite mankind to them. One of them (the Messiah) would come down in the form of man (mankind, that is) to take the punishment for sin. Jesus came as a male because He is considered the Husband of those who would follow Him.

And for the record, Muhammad has nothing to do with Christianity and is a false prophet as far as that is concerned.

Is it your personal opinion or the attitude of the church you belong to?
we live with Christians , we marry Christians , I've never heard a Christian saying Mohammad is a false prophet ?!!
Would u tell me plz to which church u belong ?
In Lebanon we have all kinds of churches and no one said so .

[caddy_caddy]

You are operating in some sort of world where the Christian version is the only version. I am consistently more inclined to believe that you have a time machine and are really from the 14th cnetury.

Jesus is a crucial figure in Christianity - and only Christianity. He is not mentioned, nor is the favourite, of any prophets before him (Biblical scholars like to mine the Old Testament for foreshadows of Jesus, but this is a case of selective reading).

The Qua'ran acknowledges Jesus (as well as all other prophets) as prophets, but because it tries to put Islam above Christianity, he is a lesser prophet.

If you believe in the god of Abraham (Jewish, Christian, Islam, Mormon...) then yes, there is only one god. However, there are many religions which believe in many gods, and don't care at all about Jesus, who they consider to be fictional for the most part.


This is a misunderstanding. Islam is a concept that includes all prophets. Islam literally means to give your self to God and to believe in the unity of God. All prophets during the whole history propagate the same concept.
If Islam is related to Muhammad we would have called it " Muhammadism , as Judism and Christianity "
Islam is a journey towards God , it has begun with Adam and ended with Muhammad.
Muhammad is very important because with him Islam has developed from a concept and a mere religion that has to do with the relationship of man with his deity to" a system of life".
The Quraan is full of legislations . It covers not only religious aspects but , economic, political , up to the very minute details of your personal Hygiene. Muhammad established the foundations of the " Islamic civilization ".
In the last speech of Muhummad before his death he said " Today I've completed your religion ". He completed the journey of Islam. He completed what others have done before him.

[Bleeding Pawn]

If you are referring to the Gospel of Barnabas, that thing is in all likelihood a forgery, first discovered after Muhammad's triumphs.

We do not know for sure if the existence of the Gospel of Barnabas did really saw the light of dawn and if it did exist, then, was the content of the book according to the real teachings of Jesus. In the mid 4th century, an order was issued by the church at the nicene council that all the original gospels in hebrew script be destroyed and anyone found in possession of it would be condemned to death . If we presume that Gospel of Barnabas was in circulation at that time, then it surely must have met the same fate as other hebrew scripts (it is even arguable how much of that is true). Many say that it did survive the edict and an italian copy is found at the Imperial Library Vienna and though it does mention the coming of Prophet Muhammed, it is nothing but forgery at its ugliest, and even the theology of Islam and its teachings would contradict this prophecy.