the 11 apostles and their role in christianty

[cacian]

who would you say is the most charismatic apostles amongst the remaining 11?

I was reading about the Pentcost and was quite shockedto read that Judas had met his fate by hanging himslef?

I never knew about this bit, any new additive information you may add is most welcome.

Please discuss.
Thanks!

[ShadowsCool]

who would you say is the most charismatic apostles amongst the remaining 11?

I was reading about the Pentcost and was quite shocked that Judas had met his fate by hanging himslef?

I never knew about this bit, any new additive information youmay add is most welcome.

Please discuss.
Thanks!

There are certain websites regarding first century Christianity that may have what you're looking for.

I know for a fact that eleven of the twelve were martyred. Peter upside down. Judas, yes he hung himself. The only one spared was John who was banished to Potmos where he wrote Revelation.

As far as impact goes. A few like Peter had a huge impact. Same can be said for John.

[cafolini]

There are certain websites regarding first century Christianity that may have what you're looking for.

I know for a fact that eleven of the twelve were martyred. Peter upside down. Judas, yes he hung himself. The only one spared was John who was banished to Potmos where he wrote Revelation.

As far as impact goes. A few like Peter had a huge impact. Same can be said for John.

Was Peter's a 300 HP impact gun? Was John's the longest bugglematic?

[Calidore]

The Gospel of Judas, one of my favorite bits of retconning ever, was relatively recently written up by no less than National Geographic:

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2006/05/judas-gospel/cockburn-text.html

It takes the approach that Judas, as the most favored apostle, was specifically asked by Jesus to help fulfill the prophecy and bring about His death and resurrection by acting as the betrayer. I think that's completely brilliant, because it works perfectly within the story we already "know."

God has always liked testing the faith of His faithful in extreme ways. So, "Do you love me enough to betray me and help bring about mankind's salvation, even knowing that your name will be vilified for all time?" And Judas did, ensuring himself a favored place in Heaven...but then, after the deed, his faith cracked, and he committed suicide, thus losing Paradise. That's epic-level tragedy there.

[cafolini]

The Gospel of Judas, one of my favorite bits of retconning ever, was relatively recently written up by no less than National Geographic:

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2006/05/judas-gospel/cockburn-text.html

It takes the approach that Judas, as the most favored apostle, was specifically asked by Jesus to help fulfill the prophecy and bring about His death and resurrection by acting as the betrayer. I think that's completely brilliant, because it works perfectly within the story we already "know."

God has always liked testing the faith of His faithful in extreme ways. So, "Do you love me enough to betray me and help bring about mankind's salvation, even knowing that your name will be vilified for all time?" And Judas did, ensuring himself a favored place in Heaven...but then, after the deed, his faith cracked, and he committed suicide, thus losing Paradise. That's epic-level tragedy there.

Most twisted. I think amost Agustinian.

[ShadowsCool]

The Gospel of Judas, one of my favorite bits of retconning ever, was relatively recently written up by no less than National Geographic:


One of the most twisted bits of logic I've ever heard. Like saying God likes the devil. Blasphemy. To say Jesus was thankful to Judas for his betrayal is beyond normalcy, it's sick.

[BienvenuJDC]

There were a total of 14 apostles. Judas, as mentioned, hung himself before Christ fulfilled the Scripture by being crucified, then the church was established. However, Judas' position filled before Pentecost by Matthias. Later the Apostle Paul was added as the "13th" apostle (well, it was the 13th position). It is rumored that Paul (being a Roman citizen) could not be crucified, so he was beheaded. Justin's Book of Martyrs has a lot of rich information concerning the apostles and their endeavors.

The Gospel of Judas is clearly a false book since Judas hung himself. I don't think that is difficult to figure out.

[cacian]

It is an interesting turn of events for an apostle to hang themselves. I understood this act to be a sin in Christianity?!
For an apostle to do so is contradictive to their own title right?!

[MarkBastable]

The Gospel of Judas is clearly a false book since Judas hung himself. I don't think that is difficult to figure out.

I don't think anyone's suggesting it's authentic. It's just that, to a writer, Judas is an endlessly fascinating and ambiguous figure.

[Calidore]

There were a total of 14 apostles. Judas, as mentioned, hung himself before Christ fulfilled the Scripture by being crucified, then the church was established. However, Judas' position filled before Pentecost by Matthias. Later the Apostle Paul was added as the "13th" apostle (well, it was the 13th position). It is rumored that Paul (being a Roman citizen) could not be crucified, so he was beheaded. Justin's Book of Martyrs has a lot of rich information concerning the apostles and their endeavors.

The Gospel of Judas is clearly a false book since Judas hung himself. I don't think that is difficult to figure out.

I think the title is intended as "The Gospel From Judas' Point of View" rather than "The Gospel Written by Judas."

[Calidore]

One of the most twisted bits of logic I've ever heard. Like saying God likes the devil. Blasphemy. To say Jesus was thankful to Judas for his betrayal is beyond normalcy, it's sick.

I'm not sure "thankful" is the right word, but Jesus' entire purpose for existing was to die, and he made clear that he knew he would be betrayed. It just comes down to, was Judas unwittingly fulfilling his role or doing it at Jesus' request?

[cacian]

One of the most twisted bits of logic I've ever heard. Like saying God likes the devil. Blasphemy. To say Jesus was thankful to Judas for his betrayal is beyond normalcy, it's sick.

Agreed.

[cacian]

I think the title is intended as "The Gospel From Judas' Point of View" rather than "The Gospel Written by Judas."

Ops I read that as ''The Gospel Written For Judas''.:smile5:

[BienvenuJDC]

It is an interesting turn of events for an apostle to hang themselves. I understood this act to be a sin in Christianity?!
For an apostle to do so is contradictive to their own title right?!

Yes, there is much irony there. But a lesson to be learned for sure. I cant say that Judas' sin in betraying the Christ was any worse than Peter's sin in denying the Christ, but each man considered his options. Peter was sorry and repented. Judas was also sorry and repented. However the Greek words that were used for repenting were different. The former was a sorrow that brought a change of heart, while the latter was just a self pitying sorrow. Peter was forgiven and restored, while Judas just gave up. The question should be asked, "Would Judas have been forgiven?" I'd say most assuredly.