the parameters of an intelligent society?

[cacian]

My first one is the considerations of others around you and the awarness of each of their needs.
For example the ability to be to ask whether it is Ok by others to act or say or do before engaging in doing.
I find for example somebody who would take their clothes off and be naked in front of others assuming it is Ok is mots unconsiderate.
One is to always ensure that that people are OK with it and not to assume that everyone is the same.
I had once someone turn to a flat where I lived, we were going to a dressing up party, we had just met. We were getting ready to go out and she proceded to take all her clothes off in front of me and the other person , a guy (her friend) because she was getting her body painted as part of the dressing up.
I simply did not what to do , I thought it was most embarassing! It felt like surreal,
I could not say anything and it was so unexpected!!

what would you say are the paremeters of an intelligent society?

[BookBeauty]

I would say that we haven't really reached the parameters of an actual intelligent society.

If we had, we'd certainly be more considerate of our resources, and the proper distribution of them. An 'intelligent society' doesn't allow people to go hungry. All basic needs should be addressed first.

Seems to make sense to me, and maybe many would argue that it's not possible. However-- I feel that we won't know what's possible before we all work together towards that common goal.

As for nakedness-- that has nothing to do with intelligence. It's simply culture. Some places in the world, there is no need for modesty, and no need for leery gazes from the opposite (or same) sex either. People grow up appreciating the human form for being what it is, without want or need of associating it with perverse notions.

As our culture has grown into this modesty, however, it seems only appropriate to abide by custom.

[cacian]

=BookBeauty;1136361]I would say that we haven't really reached the parameters of an actual intelligent society.

If we had, we'd certainly be more considerate of our resources, and the proper distribution of them. An 'intelligent society' doesn't allow people to go hungry. All basic needs should be addressed first.

Seems to make sense to me, and maybe many would argue that it's not possible. However-- I feel that we won't know what's possible before we all work together towards that common goal.

I completely agree that societies need to get to grip with essentially the most basic human right/survival and that is of ridding themselves of impending poverties.

As for nakedness-- that has nothing to do with intelligence. It's simply culture. Some places in the world, there is no need for modesty, and no need for leery gazes from the opposite (or same) sex either. People grow up appreciating the human form for being what it is, without want or need of associating it with perverse notions.
Well I am not so sure I agree. Nudity is about decency and not everyone understands easily a group of individuals that live in the nude.
Imposing one's nudity on others is insensitive. One must check that it is ok for others that they go exposing themselves in the nude inf ront of them.
I do not consider right and so I do not wish it to be on me in the same way that I do not go imposing it on them.
It is consideration and caring for other people's feelings.


As our culture has grown into this modesty, however, it seems only appropriate to abide by custom.
Yes and it is also about what is right for all.

[BookBeauty]

Nudity is about decency and not everyone understands easily a group of individuals that live in the nude.


Well, nudity is only indecent if your culture perceives it that way.

We have come to see the human form as something that needs to be hidden away, and guarded closely, due to the way our society has developed. In other cultures, nudity isn't really a matter of indecency, it's a matter of life. These people usually live in particularly warm climes, and so have no need for clothing. When brought into our own culture, and forced to cover up, they're generally confused. ''Why? I've never had to cover up before.'' They don't understand, and I certainly couldn't blame them for the confusion. They were brought up differently.

I'm not saying either course is right or wrong.

What I'm saying is that displaying nudity has nothing to do with an intelligent society. It has to do with the way our culture has developed over a particular length of time that determines modesty and decency requirements.

I have drawn and painted from nude models without a problem as well, which is perfectly acceptable in our culture. I think that, when it comes to this society, and culture, it depends upon the context in which nudity is displayed.

[osho]

My first one is the considerations of others around you and the awarness of each of their needs.
For example the ability to be to ask whether it is Ok by others to act or say or do before engaging in doing.
I find for example somebody who would take their clothes off and be naked in front of others assuming it is Ok is mots unconsiderate.
One is to always ensure that that people are OK with it and not to assume that everyone is the same.
I had once someone turn to a flat where I lived, we were going to a dressing up party, we had just met. We were getting ready to go out and she proceded to take all her clothes off in front of me and the other person , a guy (her friend) because she was getting her body painted as part of the dressing up.
I simply did not what to do , I thought it was most embarassing! It felt like surreal,
I could not say anything and it was so unexpected!!

what would you say are the paremeters of an intelligent society?

cacian, you have come up with very interesting questions that have hit on something I too want to raise to a debate. Intelligent society is really a vague topic. In fact every society has gone through different phases of evolution. The society you are in could be much more different a thousand years ago and we have no records to examine that society other than what our historians have done and they are mostly fake and hypothecated since their own prejudices, understandings, opinionated ideas play big roles distorting the truths behind.

Even if you look at the Victorian society through some novels or other writings there were certain values. One writer has said even a toe of a woman could stimulate. That means that was a close society. There was a veil on women and they were restricted within social walls and they had no right and they did not even have a voting right so that they can choose someone to represent themselves who would address their concerns and the like but, the intelligentsia of society had a restriction on that issue. That is about your ancient social system.

Mine was somewhat different, madam. Man was a key and dominant figure, and he still is in most cases, and women's role was subservient, like someone who can beget babies and entertain their husbands or can dance for their social highbrows. I do not want to analyze further here since this is not the thread to discuss that.

My main concern is they, framers of social customs, codes of conducts,
always took that society where certain classes of people had their predominant roles as an intelligent society. Today the society you consider ideal and intelligent will be dissipated by your future generations.

Is it then not hogwash to weave a web society that will have eternal values? Values, social or moral are always in constant flux. No society can be perfect or intelligent through a scientific or rational lens