Sleazy intelligent erotica

[sleazy]

If i find the Harlequine all to sugarsweet and the type of books that comes with the title "psycho-sexual" all to childish and uninteresting most times, what type of novels do you recommend?

I want somehing really sleazy,something forbidden, infidelity, blackmail, jealousy, femme fatales, mind**** .... I also rather read something easy and not these classics ( i read mainstream books all the time, but this is just for my sexual cravings.. ).

Excuse my english by the way

[DocHeart]

I would recommend any Greek politician's autobiography.

[kiki1982]

Shame you don't read classics... Fanny Hill or the Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure is pretty saucy and libertine stuff from the 18th century. From men paying big money for virgins to SM, teenage boys, free sex, love and naked bathing. And all in detail. Including funny observations.

Moll Flanders fades away compared to that.

Pretty entertaining too, actually, Fanny Hill...

Go on, try it. I promise you, you will enjoy it :devil:.

[sleazy]

I might try it actually..

Im also a little interested in De Sade, but i have heard that he mentions disgusting things like body fluids in his work ( does he? ), so i haven't dared to try him.

[kiki1982]

Never read De Sade, but he would be the one the word 'sadism' is based on, so he could well be pretty specific...

[gruntingslime]

If you're going to try De Sade the best place to begin would be Justine... De Sade can be pretty sluggish in my opinion. There is something intriguing about the way his scenes are cast and of course the obvious extremity of it all, but it is all that is endearing about him, I don't find him especially enlightening.

You might also try Story of the Eye by Georges Bataille, it's a surreal piece as well, something very strange, it might interest you.

Venus in Furs by Leopold von Sacher-Masoch is another option, but I think it's a piece in ways more imaginative and gears more toward art than arousal.

Someone might even recommend you Lolita but I think we'd all be hoping you wouldn't go there for the kind of stimulation you seek.

Edit: While this isn't exactly what you're looking for, I'm going to throw it in there anyway for a bit of a harsh look on the world. A non-fiction work Street Kids. http://www.amazon.com/Street-Kids-Tragedy-Canadas-Runaways/dp/0802067050/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1335539788&sr=8-1

Just thought I'd throw that in there, I'd even term it more along the lines of horror than erotica, but because you stated in your title 'intelligent' I thought it might be wise to give a sort of antithesis to the building theme...

[sleazy]

I like the theme in Lolita actually and i will give the novel another chance in the future. Dominique Swain was incredibly sexy in the remake i think, just incredible.

I will consider your other recommendations aswell.

It's seems to be hard finding any erotically charged books i think, or is it maybe i have been unlucky so far. I tried a couple of titles in the Black Lace series if you know about it? Just plain rubbish i think, not very psychological if you know what i mean...

[sleazy]

I try to search and read samples on Amazon aswell, you know these writers Zane, Leighton etc. but i don't find it good enough, but exaggerated.

[mal4mac]

Try "The Finkler Question" by Howard Jacobson. I was looking, mostly, for a serious treatment of the Jewish question, and the difficulties of combining philosophy and the media, but instead I found it non-stop "sleazy,something forbidden, infidelity, blackmail, jealousy, femme fatales, mind****". Some of that would have been fine. But non-stop? You might like it...

[stlukesguild]

Anaïs Nin- Delta of Venus and Little Birds
Anne Rice- (writing as A. N. Roquelaure)- The Claiming of Sleeping Beauty
Beauty's Punishment, and Beauty's Release
Mario Vargas Llosa- In Praise of the Stepmother
Guillaume Apollinaire- Flesh Unlimited
Alison Fell- The Pillow Boy of the Lady Onogoro
Nicholson Baker- Vox and The Fermata
Pierre Louÿs- The Song of Bilitis, Aphrodite, and The She Devils
Jeremy Reed- The Pleasure Chateau
Regine Deforges- The Storm and Other Erotica
Alina Reyes- The Butcher
Almudena Grandes- The Ages of Lulu
Cecile de La Baume- Crush
Pierre Klossowski- The Baphomet
Robert Coover- Spanking the Maid
Louis Aragon- Irene's Cun*
Melanie Desmoulins- The Snake
Josephine Jarmaine- The Black Rose

[Desolation]

Tropic of Cancer by Henry Miller
Delta of Venus by Anais Nin

I'm also inclined to recommend Our Lady of the Flowers by Jean Genet...But, it might be a bit different than what you're looking for...

[sleazy]

I have many classics by now, and if you have something newer, maybe a real sleazy book-series, just give me a call..

[sleazy]

Ok, i try to order some Zane-like books. Let's see if they are hot.

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

If i find the Harlequine all to sugarsweet and the type of books that comes with the title "psycho-sexual" all to childish and uninteresting most times, what type of novels do you recommend?

I want somehing really sleazy,something forbidden, infidelity, blackmail, jealousy, femme fatales, mind**** .... I also rather read something easy and not these classics ( i read mainstream books all the time, but this is just for my sexual cravings.. ).

Excuse my english by the way


I might try it actually..

Im also a little interested in De Sade, but i have heard that he mentions disgusting things like body fluids in his work ( does he? ), so i haven't dared to try him.

So, you want something really sleazy, forbidden, etc., but you don't want any mention of body fluids?

[sleazy]

It depends on what type of fl.. i guess. I don't find it captivating nor forbidden though, just disgusting as most people would i believe.

[Buh4Bee]

Anaïs Nin is well known for intelligent and erotic literature. She is a decent writer that can paint a pretty picture.

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

It depends on what type of fl.. i guess. I don't find it captivating nor forbidden though, just disgusting as most people would i believe.

I don't. Sex usually involves body fluids, especially when it's sleazy.

[stlukesguild]

So, you want something really sleazy, forbidden, etc., but you don't want any mention of body fluids?

It depends on what type of fl.. i guess. I don't find it captivating nor forbidden though, just disgusting as most people would i believe.

That's intriguing... sex without bodily fluids... and why exactly are bodily fluids disgusting? Do you think that way when it comes to the real thing?

Sex usually involves body fluids, especially when it's sleazy.

Even if its not sleazy it usually involves bodily fluids. Not even the President of the United States can escape that fact as one recent president discovered.

[sleazy]

Please, i'm not so good at english. I thought it was the right thing in english to say, "sleazy kind of romance novels", without meaning anything discusting. Ofcourse sleazy was the psychological part of what i meant. And sure, some body fl.. i guess, but i don't know what you are after really. Anal sex or something even more highly advanced? Interesting to talk to you though.

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

Well, as this thread veers ever ever closer to closure due to vulgarity, :D, but I meant fluids in the vain of what would be the usual product of regular intercourse . . . I'd rather not get more specific so as not to risk infraction points.

As for the word "sleazy," one often associates the word with words such as "dirty," "vulgar," or "elicit." Maybe you're wanting something that would better be described as passionate, maybe? It's kind of hard to pinpoint what you're after, since you also mention wanting to read stuff "forbidden" (which says to me taboo sexual practices" and that this is for your "sexual cravings." Honestly, if you're looking to read something purely arousing, just Google "erotica"--there're free short storie sites that are good enough to get the job done. Or, you could go the even more expedient route and watch the visual equivalent of erotica.

[sleazy]

I think i understand you perfectly well. The thing that we understand differently is what the subject taboo stands for, thats about it i think. For me taboo is in relations and loyalty and defintely not any particular strange sex act.

Thanks for the expanation of the word sleazy by the way, it's what i thought it was then.

Sex stories online i'm not after really.

[kiki1982]

Indeed, bodily fluids are part of it (duh) but I think what the OP means is that they are not necessarily described in the most minute way. That is usually in sleazy stuff (I imagine). Usually also the more explicit the writing gets, the more details and the more sleazy.

Was that your point?

I read some excerpts from De Sade yesterday and I have to say pretty specific, also very much metaphoric, I think (it was pretty difficult in French as that is not really the vocab I know :p), but also quite long-winded. I think it is supposed to be pretty philosophic about (18th century) Libertinism - something which Cleland from Fanny Hill also endorsed, but which he did not really explain and rather displayed. De Sade is more aloof, I believe, or as far as I can judge from the excerpts I read. He writes in dialogues like a philosoher and I think, again judging from the excerpts, his stuff consists of stories tied together through such dialogues. Maybe he wrote some full-blown stories (judging from the titles), but it's not his main work.

Have a look on this website (http://www.sade-ecrivain.com/). It is in French, but it has a few links to Englsh translations on it, and Spanish (although I don't know how useful that is for you...).

[sleazy]

Yes that was my point, kiki. But my main point was that DeSade from what i have heard was interested in "scat", if you people know what that is, and that is something atleast i don't want to read about.

[JuniperWoolf]

When D. H. Lawrence isn't writing about sex I find him boring, but when he is it's fantastic. I reccomend Lady Chatterley's Lover.

Lost Girls is a graphic trilogy. It's very much about female sexuality (despite having been written by a male) and it's topics are incredibly taboo, it's been banned in a lot of countries. Also being a graphic novel you get such nice pictures to look at.

[prendrelemick]

I've just finished Justine by DeSade. It's more an upside down morality tale than an erotic story.

Erica Jong caused quite a stir with "Fear of Flying" and "Fanny" in the 70's

[Alexander III]

I have always enjoyed De Sade, he takes Libertinism to it's logical conclusion. Also I don't understand why the revulsion to detailed descriptions of sexual pleasure. Most people who don't like such vulgarity, can read a novel about war and all it's grusomness without so much as the blink of an eye, war were men are there to kill each other and the spilling of bodily fluids is the spilling of life. But sex which is all about pleasure and enjoying life, that is vulgar?

I would think that De Sade going into detail about the art of felatio and how to do it well, is far less vulgar than Chateaubriand describing cannon firing tearing men apart.

Yet the former is vulgar and the latter is noble.

[Buh4Bee]

[QUOTE=JuniperWoolf;1136345]When D. H. Lawrence isn't writing about sex I find him boring, but when he is it's fantastic. I reccomend Lady Chatterley's Lover.

I second that. Lawrence can get rather boring.

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

When D. H. Lawrence isn't writing about sex I find him boring, but when he is it's fantastic. I reccomend Lady Chatterley's Lover.

Lost Girls is a graphic trilogy. It's very much about female sexuality (despite having been written by a male) and it's topics are incredibly taboo, it's been banned in a lot of countries. Also being a graphic novel you get such nice pictures to look at.

I was actually thinking D.H. Lawrence, but I'm not that familiar with his work, so I wasn't sure enough to actually recommend him. From the little I've read by him, his prose is quite beautiful.

Also, there's this new book that's all the rage and supposedly quite erotic, called Fifty Shades of Grey, but since it's so popular I have a sneaking suspicion that it's also probably horrible.

[OrphanPip]

I was actually thinking D.H. Lawrence, but I'm not that familiar with his work, so I wasn't sure enough to actually recommend him. From the little I've read by him, his prose is quite beautiful.

Also, there's this new book that's all the rage and supposedly quite erotic, called Fifty Shades of Grey, but since it's so popular I have a sneaking suspicion that it's also probably horrible.

I saw that on the news, the story started as a Twilight fanfic, then the author decided to rewrite as an original.

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

I saw that on the news, the story started as a Twilight fanfic, then the author decided to rewrite as an original.

Just when I thought it couldn't sound any better!

[stlukesguild]

I have always enjoyed De Sade, he takes Libertinism to it's logical conclusion. Also I don't understand why the revulsion to detailed descriptions of sexual pleasure. Most people who don't like such vulgarity, can read a novel about war and all it's grusomness without so much as the blink of an eye, war were men are there to kill each other and the spilling of bodily fluids is the spilling of life. But sex which is all about pleasure and enjoying life, that is vulgar?

I would think that De Sade going into detail about the art of felatio and how to do it well, is far less vulgar than Chateaubriand describing cannon firing tearing men apart.

Alex... considering your comments here I somewhat question whether you actually have read De Sade. Personally... beyond the repetitive obsession with the scatological, it is more his perverted violence than his sexuality that turns me off.