Sin and Confession

[cacian]

are they the conflict or the basis of religion?
In other word
Does religion only exists because of the idea of Sin ?

[Bad Grass]

Cacian,
You strike my funny-bone. You’re a living paradox. There is no resolution.
In another post which I commented on, you said a world without religion would be best.
Okay fine. So why do you question religion? Can anyone possibly appease you? Can anyone on this planet possibly turn you toward God? Or is nit-picking religious people a past-time of yours?
As a Christian, I don’t question why people conduct satanic rituals or practice witchcraft or are atheists.
Because, in a nutshell: I really don’t care.
As per your question:
If I sin, I need God’s forgiveness.
If I never sin, I need God’s Salvation.
God begats religion. For a more a thorough answer, I recommend The Holy Bible, the Quran or some other Good Book that is super highly popular.
But we’re cool, right?

[/dev/null]

You strike my funny-bone. You’re a living paradox. There is no resolution.
In another post which I commented on, you said a world without religion would be best.
Okay fine. So why do you question religion? Can anyone possibly appease you? Can anyone on this planet possibly turn you toward God? Or is nit-picking religious people a past-time of yours?
As a Christian, I don’t question why people conduct satanic rituals or practice witchcraft or are atheists.

You're definitely missing Cacian's point.

[cacian]

Cacian,
You strike my funny-bone. You’re a living paradox. There is no resolution.
In another post which I commented on, you said a world without religion would be best.
Okay fine. So why do you question religion? Can anyone possibly appease you? Can anyone on this planet possibly turn you toward God? Or is nit-picking religious people a past-time of yours?
As a Christian, I don’t question why people conduct satanic rituals or practice witchcraft or are atheists.
Because, in a nutshell: I really don’t care.
As per your question:
If I sin, I need God’s forgiveness.
If I never sin, I need God’s Salvation.
God begats religion. For a more a thorough answer, I recommend The Holy Bible, the Quran or some other Good Book that is super highly popular.
But we’re cool, right?
LOL
Hi Bad Grass
I really I am not nit-picking but merely reflecting on why religion is dated with all due respect to you.
I am absolutely not trying to put any religious person down, their beliefs or gods for that matter.
I simply think there is a big difference between believing in god and religion.
I see them as two very distinctive concepts.
The thread is simply to put forward a question to test if whoever created this notion of religion, which is en effect a coming together of a large number of people to worship a being that might or might not like ot be worshipped in this way, to justify these heavy duty concepts I stated above.
Who is to tell that god wants us all to go to mass and mosques or confessions and so on?
And who says that sin is part of this worship and we are to behave ourselves in a certain way. It feels to me a kind of a dictaroship, a goddly heavy handed institution that scares a lot of people believe or not.
If we know that god is a perfect being then he/she do not expect us to be perfect to and so we are bound to make mistakes or sin for whatever reason.
In other word it is expected of us to fail sometimes.
why make sin and hell part of a religious duty that lots practice but are terrified of.
Who says hell exists and why salvation?
What are we saved from ? ourselves? God?
I mean I can go on couldn't I...:)

[cafolini]

Sin has always been a violation of a rule which in another culture was not sin. Confession has always been a promise to not repeat the sin in exchange for mercy from authority.
OR
To kill the mystery is the cardinal sin.

[G L Wilson]

I'd rather live without excuse than beg forgiveness.

[Bad Grass]

So says he who is never caught.

[G L Wilson]

So says he who is never caught.

He who is never caught is innocent.

I am guilty of cruelty to animals. I will live with the guilt.

[Bad Grass]

Guilt leads to repentance. If what you say is true.

[G L Wilson]

Guilt leads to repentance. If what you say is true.

I shall repent of nothing.

[Varenne Rodin]

He who is never caught is innocent.

I am guilty of cruelty to animals. I will live with the guilt.

"They'll never catch me... because I'm f***ing innocent." - Dignan from Bottle Rocket.

[Varenne Rodin]

In what way/s are you cruel to animals?

[G L Wilson]

In what way/s are you cruel to animals?

I eat them for one thing.

[Varenne Rodin]

Serial killer. :)

[G L Wilson]

I feel true guilt for only one sin. It was a test of God, he failed.

[BienvenuJDC]

I feel true guilt for only one sin. It was a test of God, he failed.

Or maybe it was you who failed?

Hey, GL....when did you get back?

[G L Wilson]

Or maybe it was you who failed?

Hey, GL....when did you get back?

I got back a few days ago.

I failed, he failed. What difference does it make? It's done now.

[Varenne Rodin]

I don't know how anyone could fail their own creator. A true artist would recognize his mistakes and failings and not take umbrage at someone scorning their flaws (big IF there is such a creator).

[BienvenuJDC]

I don't know how anyone could fail their own creator. A true artist would recognize his mistakes and failings and not take umbrage at someone scorning their flaws (big IF there is such a creator).

It's perspective...

[G L Wilson]

It's perspective...

"God's only excuse is that he does not exist."
Stendhal

[Varenne Rodin]

Well, by now you know I'm a shameless girl, Bien.

[BienvenuJDC]

"God's only excuse is that he does not exist."
Stendhal

New rule for me this year...I'm not going to argue about it, so we can just disagree.

[G L Wilson]

New rule for me this year...I'm not going to argue about it, so we can just disagree.

There's no argument about it, it is a statement of fact.

[Buh4Bee]

When he made you in his image?

[G L Wilson]

When he made you in his image?

He made a copy.

[cacian]

"They'll never catch me... because I'm f***ing innocent." - Dignan from Bottle Rocket.

It sounds like the ginger breadman rhyme..it goes something like this...

Along came a horse who wanted a snack
But the gingerbread man, he never looked back
Run, run, as fast as you can
You can't catch me, I'm the gingerbread man
I'm the gingerbread man and I'm out of the pan! :biggrin5:

[cacian]

I eat them for one thing.

what about plants and vegetables? you eat them too right?

[cacian]

"God's only excuse is that he does not exist."
Stendhal

'go say that to the word GOD'.
If a word is there then one needs jusifying why it's there.

[cacian]

He made a copy.

a copy?
why not an original? or a second hand one? or a different one?
The possibilities are endless ...

[G L Wilson]

'go say that to the word GOD'.
If a word is there then one needs jusifying why it's there.

Unicorns are discussed in the Bible also, do I need to justify that reality? I feel no need to.

[cacian]

Unicorns are discussed in the Bible also, do I need to justify that reality? I feel no need to.

well when a word is created then the concept is invented.
unicorn exists in films you have seen them.

[G L Wilson]

well when a word is created then the concept is invented.
unicorn exists in films you have seen them.

I'm not a concept, and I reckon God isn't too if he exists.

[cacian]

I'm not a concept, and I reckon God isn't too.

you have a name so you are/exist. and not a concept you are a being.
concept/idea/object/being they are all the same more or less.
If you call something something then it must be/exist in concept or in object.
the issue here is that one can deny the existence of what a word is suggesting/ the concept, but one cannot get rid of the word.
It is not possible to erase a word.

[G L Wilson]

you have a name so you are/exist. and not a concept you are a being.
concept/idea/object/being they are all the same more or less.
If you call something something then it must be/exist in concept or in object.
the issue here is that one can deny the existence of what a word is suggesting/ the concept, but one cannot get rid of the word.
It is not possible to erase a word.

The Christians have erased entire libraries, what is so mighty about a word?

[cacian]

The Christians have erased entire libraries, what is so mighty about a word?

It is not about a mightyness it is about a word.
Once someone creates a word, any word, one cannot erase it from the language.
You might hide it, don't talk about, don't use it in your writing, speaking but you cannot physically remove it from the dictionary or the language because of memory.
Memory and language are entertwined.

[Kingbob]

Different religions may have different sacles of sins. I don't think religion exists because of the idea of Sin，but the belief!

[Thomas Novosel]

Sin and Confession... is what keeps a Church active physically i suppose. When someone does something wrong they feel the need to remove themselves of the guilt, so they confess it to a priest/pastor/precher/whatever stands at the pulpit in your house of worship. This gives a feeling of relief and absolution a feeling that says it was okay to Do Wrong (Sin) that all you have to do is Confess to it and that all is right. When it is not and it is rather frightening menatality that could occur within a person, becuae if it is okay to wrong another how long will it be before it is okay to kill a person and that confession will make what you did okay? As towards Church, yes it is the main part of it, but it is mostly a branch off of Faith, the belief that there is right and wrong. The Bible or watever holy text corresponds with your religion (which is in all necessity a book of childrens tales with conclusions that can influence a young mind into identifying right/wrong and what values a person ought to uphold), is the embodiement of all of that religion, becuase religion is just a comfort to assure people that what they do affects more than just themselves.

Which is why I am not a practitioner of any religion, I do not need another person to reassure what i already know... that everything I do affects the people around me and that I, as an individual, have an impact on any persons day through what i say and how i interact.

So No, religion can exist without Sin and Confession there just would be no set of morals and just belief (becuase if there is no sin then there is no known form of what is right or wrong), so it would be only the blind worship of a higher being (either due to fear, peer pressure, upbringing), and a society without order in which the only major things that were of importance would be Food, Worship, Shelter, Mating... But yes it is a major underlying basis that most priests and practioners would disagree as a founding componant, sin and confession is more of a reaction to what Faith and Morals are presented.

That is my take on the subject :)