the origin of the name Jesus

[cacian]

I often about the name Jesus and how unusual as a name it is.
The bible says Jesus was a Jew but I am not sure about the name if it is Jewish enough or at all.


Discuss

[JCamilo]

Brian was indeed a better jewish name.

[cacian]

Brian was indeed a better jewish name.

Brian is a jewish name?
I could not tell you for sure but Jesus sounds latin derivative to me.

[BienvenuJDC]

Jesus is the Greek form of the name Jeshua (also seen anglicized as Joshua). The name means 'deliverer' as Joshua of the Old Testament was one of the deliverers of the nation of Isreal from her Egyptian bondage in the Exodus and then the conquest of the Promised Land.

The second part is Christ, which is the Greek word for Messiah, which mean the 'anointed'. Therefore, the whole name means the "Anointed Deliverer".

[cacian]

Jesus is the Greek form of the name Jeshua (also seen anglicized as Joshua). The name means 'deliverer' as Joshua of the Old Testament was one of the deliverers of the nation of Isreal from her Egyptian bondage in the Exodus and then the conquest of the Promised Land.

The second part is Christ, which is the Greek word for Messiah, which mean the 'anointed'. Therefore, the whole name means the "Anointed Deliverer".

Hi Bienvenu
Thank you for the information.
I have always thought that Christ derived from Christopher for some reason.
why anointed?

[BienvenuJDC]

Hi Bienvenu
Thank you for the information.
I have always thought that Christ derived from Christopher for some reason.
why anointed?

Actually I think that Christopher was derived from Christ (you know...the good "christian" name thing)

Christ was the "anointed" King as was the practice for leaders.

[Pendragon]

Jesus is the Greek form of the name Jeshua (also seen anglicized as Joshua). The name means 'deliverer' as Joshua of the Old Testament was one of the deliverers of the nation of Isreal from her Egyptian bondage in the Exodus and then the conquest of the Promised Land.

The second part is Christ, which is the Greek word for Messiah, which mean the 'anointed'. Therefore, the whole name means the "Anointed Deliverer".

quite correct!

[MANICHAEAN]

Bienvenu

Appreciate the information.

Regards

M.

[cacian]

Actually I think that Christopher was derived from Christ (you know...the good "christian" name thing)

Christ was the "anointed" King as was the practice for leaders.

Bienvenu
I never knew Christopher was a good' christian name.
What about Christian/Christina then?
I once made a mistake and spelt 'Christ' short for Christopher..and you could imagine the hysterical laughs Igot out of it..
I was told it 'Chris' without a T. Does this mean Christopher has nothing with Christ then?

[BienvenuJDC]

Bienvenu
I never knew Christopher was a good' christian name.
What about Christian/Christina then?
I once made a mistake and spelt 'Christ' short for Christopher..and you could imagine the hysterical laughs Igot out of it..
I was told it 'Chris' without a T. Does this mean Christopher has nothing with Christ then?

Christopher (http://www.behindthename.com/name/christopher)

[AuntShecky]

I have always thought that Christ derived from Christopher for some reason.

The name "Christopher" is much later. It derives from a legend about St. Christopher in which he encountered on his travels a young child reluctant to cross a creek, so St. Christopher put him on his shoulder and carried him across the water. Upon reaching the other side, it was revealed that the young child was the Christ Child.
Hence "christos" +"phoros" (bearing Christ.)

[cacian]

The name "Christopher" is much later. It derives from a legend about St. Christopher in which he encountered on his travels a young child reluctant to cross a creek, so St. Christopher put him on his shoulder and carried him across the water. Upon reaching the other side, it was revealed that the young child was the Christ Child.
Hence "christos" +"phoros" (bearing Christ.)

Hey thanks for this I never heard this story before.

[Varenne Rodin]

Why was he called Jehovah, Yahweh, and Elohim before? Why change his name from Jeshua? Seems like a lot of man made changes for something that's supposed to be a constant. Why is "Jesus Christ" a better name than the one he was given? With people frequently altering the bits and pieces of this religion over time to adapt to modern ways, or to better translate across cultures, it's surprising that so many people still haven't found a way to update it to compatibility with modern science. Telephone game.

[ShadowsCool]

Why was he called Jehovah, Yahweh, and Elohim before? Why change his name from Jeshua? Seems like a lot of man made changes for something that's supposed to be a constant. Why is "Jesus Christ" a better name than the one he was given? With people frequently altering the bits and pieces of this religion over time to adapt to modern ways, or to better translate across cultures, it's surprising that so many people still haven't found a way to update it to compatibility with modern science. Telephone game.

Actually this site will pretty much give you all the various names for God.

http://www.smilegodlovesyou.org/names.html

It's just various names meaning the same thing. The why? Well it's quite complicated but His name is actually a verb. "I Am who I Am" etc. I'm sure I can dig further if need be.

Good question.

[hellsapoppin]

As a Jew, this character thought by many to be the messiah could not possibly have had a Greek name. Jesus roughly translates as "son of Zeus". But in the bible the name of the god is Yahweh. Thus, Yahshuah would be a more accurate rendition of his name.

[BienvenuJDC]

As a Jew, this character thought by many to be the messiah could not possibly have had a Greek name. Jesus roughly translates as "son of Zeus". But in the bible the name of the god is Yahweh. Thus, Yahshuah would be a more accurate rendition of his name.

That is absurd. Many of the Jews had both Hebrew names AND Greek names, sometimes even Roman names.

Peter (petros), Cephas, Simon
Saul, Paul
Simon, Thaddeus

This was a multicultural time & area.

[hellsapoppin]

That is absurd. Many of the Jews had both Hebrew names AND Greek names, sometimes even Roman names.

Peter (petros), Cephas, Simon
Saul, Paul
Simon, Thaddeus

This was a multicultural time & area.


The Greek name Σιμων or Simon comes from the Hebrew שִׁמְעוֹן or Shim'on ''he who hears the word of god''. It was translated into Simon in the New Testament.

[BienvenuJDC]

The Greek name Σιμων or Simon comes from the Hebrew שִׁמְעוֹן or Shim'on ''he who hears the word of god''. It was translated into Simon in the New Testament.

What about his OTHER name....Petros?

Your response doesn't establish a basis for your first comment.

[hellsapoppin]

What about his OTHER name....Petros?

Your response doesn't establish a basis for your first comment.


Yahshuah changed Shimon's name to Simon Peter because he said "I hereby give you the keys to the kingdom'' meaning that he would be the foundational ''rock'' of the church.

This is very elementary stuff in the New Testament and taught quite extensively in Catholic schools.

[BienvenuJDC]

Yahshuah changed Shimon's name to Simon Peter because he said "I hereby give you the keys to the kingdom'' meaning that he would be the foundational ''rock'' of the church.

This is very elementary stuff in the New Testament and taught quite extensively in Catholic schools.

The Catholics have MANY things wrong...

He called Peter petros (which is a pebble), while the Greek word for rock (foundation) is petra. This is basic Greek. Peter was not the rock that the church was built on, it was what Peter had confirmed which is the Deity of Christ. Matthew 16:13-20

Upon THIS ROCK is the FOUNDATION of the DEITY of Christ...not one human...which makes much more sense.


13 When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, “Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?”

14 So they said, “Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”

15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”

16 Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed[d] in heaven.”

20 Then He commanded His disciples that they should tell no one that He was Jesus the Christ.

[Varenne Rodin]

What if I wanted to call him Earth? Or Bob? Or Tyler? Or Carlos? Or Olivia? This is a multicultural time too. I guess we can just change everything all the time based on varying opinions.

The sun seems to be a constant for all of us. Maybe that's god. Maybe god is a burning ball of energy and gas.

[cacian]

As a Jew, this character thought by many to be the messiah could not possibly have had a Greek name. Jesus roughly translates as "son of Zeus". But in the bible the name of the god is Yahweh. Thus, Yahshuah would be a more accurate rendition of his name.

well Je/sus translate roughly into Je/Suis which means I am in French.
I don't get the 'son of Zeus'.
There is not enough letters in JESUS for such a long translation.

[hellsapoppin]

cacian,

well Je/sus translate roughly into Je/Suis which means I am in French.
I don't get the 'son of Zeus'.
There is not enough letters in JESUS for such a long translation.


There is no letter J in Greek, Hebrew, or Latin. Therefore, "Jesus" could not possibly be the name of this character.

His name has to be in Hebrew for that was his ethnic origin. Thus, Yahshuah, son of Yahweh, not of Zeus.

[hellsapoppin]

bienv,

the Greek word for rock (foundation) is petra

here is the blueletterbible explanation:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G4073&t=KJV

petra: 1) a rock, cliff or ledge

a) a projecting rock, crag, rocky ground

b) a rock, a large stone

c) metaph. a man like a rock, by reason of his firmness and strength of soul


thus, it can have multiple meanings or examples - as for the Catholic interpretation, I'll allow someone from that religion to justify their views on it

[cacian]

There is no letter J in Greek, Hebrew, or Latin. Therefore, "Jesus" could not possibly be the name of this character.

His name has to be in Hebrew for that was his ethnic origin. Thus, Yahshuah, son of Yahweh, not of Zeus.

what about the letter J in JEW?
the letter J is in French and French is latin derivative.
Julius Ceasar was Roman and his name began with a J too.

[JCamilo]

Cacian,

not all languages have symbols for every sound. Arabic for example do not have a letter for the sound of "P". And sometimes, even if they use the same alphabet, the sounds can be different (Spanish "J" is not exactly the same as portuguese "J").

The original language of Jesus is in a completely different idiom, with another alphabet. When they started to write in greek and latin, they found the name in hebrew and wrote in the way they thought would better represent it. Jesus. So, it is just a translation of his original name, I have a book from a dude named Carlos Dickens, I am sure he still the same Charles.

This obviously go for any letter and word. The J case is just more curious because they didn't had the "Jee" sound represented and the letter has undergone a considerable ammount of phonetic changes since 2000 years ago.

[cacian]

Cacian,

not all languages have symbols for every sound. Arabic for example do not have a letter for the sound of "P". And sometimes, even if they use the same alphabet, the sounds can be different (Spanish "J" is not exactly the same as portuguese "J").

The original language of Jesus is in a completely different idiom, with another alphabet. When they started to write in greek and latin, they found the name in hebrew and wrote in the way they thought would better represent it. Jesus. So, it is just a translation of his original name, I have a book from a dude named Carlos Dickens, I am sure he still the same Charles.

This obviously go for any letter and word. The J case is just more curious because they didn't had the "Jee" sound represented and the letter has undergone a considerable ammount of phonetic changes since 2000 years ago.
Thank you for your post Jcamilo.
This is very informative.

[BienvenuJDC]

There is no J in the Greek language. Jesus in the Greek (which is the language it was originally written) is Iasous, but when it was Anglicized the J sound was added.

[cacian]

There is no J in the Greek language. Jesus in the Greek (which is the language it was originally written) is Iasous, but when it was Anglicized the J sound was added.

I see.
IA must have been a WEUH sound as in the sound in WHY like this may be WAHSOUS.
It still does not explain the name JULIUS.

[BienvenuJDC]

I see.
IA must have been a WEUH sound as in the sound in WHY like this may be WAHSOUS.
It still does not explain the name JULIUS.

Julius is a ROMAN name. We use the Roman alphabet that has a letter J.

[cacian]

Julius is a ROMAN name. We use the Roman alphabet that has a letter J.

Thank you Bien.
I think I was under the impression that the Romans spoke Latin hence the confusion iwith J being a latin letter...I don't even know the latin alphabet. Must look it up.

[BienvenuJDC]

Thank you Bien.
I think I was under the impression that the Romans spoke Latin hence the confusion iwith J being a latin letter...I don't even know the latin alphabet. Must look it up.

I don't know for sure, but I think that Latin is written with the Roman alphabet as well. All the Romance (Roman-like) languages use the Roman alphabet, and they are mostly derived with Latin influence.

[JCamilo]

do notice that is not logical for you to claim english gave the "J" of Jesus if before he was born Romans already have the "J"? It was Iulius too. J is derivated from latim "I" when used as vowel, but only created thousand years after it.

Cacian, Iesous sound like Yes. W was also created later, had a V sound and was represented by latim "U".

[cacian]

do notice that is not logical for you to claim english gave the "J" of Jesus if before he was born Romans already have the "J"? It was Iulius too. J is derivated from latim "I" when used as vowel, but only created thousand years after it.

Cacian, Iesous sound like Yes. W was also created later, had a V sound and was represented by latim "U".

Oh wow..what an interesting array of sounds.
Yes sound for Jesus who would have thought.
Thank you JCamilo!

[johnnya]

I tell you what, Christ came to give the name of the father and gave his name for men to be saved, we better be right about the name. Why would his name be watered down? I see kids that are trouble makers running down the street with the name jesus. There was a name uttered in the beginning of creation and it probablydoes not sound like jesus. And people have pictures of what they think he looked like or what he may have looked like, and worship this image and some keep it as a token of good luck, I believe the bible says something about worshipping the image of the beast. One of the commandments warn of idol worship.

[kev67]

what about the letter J in JEW?
the letter J is in French and French is latin derivative.
Julius Ceasar was Roman and his name began with a J too.

Good point, but there was no J in Latin. On Jesus's cross there was a sign, INRI, which stod for Jesus of Nazereth, King of the Jews. The Romans substituted I's for J's, and the Latin for king was Rex.

I think read somewhere that Jesus's Aramaic name was Yeshua. It's closest English translation is actually Joshua, but in Greek it became IESOUS (thank you google), which then became Jesus. In the Greek gematria system, IESOUS added up to 888 btw.

[cacian]

Good point, but there was no J in Latin. On Jesus's cross there was a sign, INRI, which stod for Jesus of Nazereth, King of the Jews. The Romans substituted I's for J's, and the Latin for king was Rex.

I think read somewhere that Jesus's Aramaic name was Yeshua. It's closest English translation is actually Joshua, but in Greek it became IESOUS (thank you google), which then became Jesus. In the Greek gematria system, IESOUS added up to 888 btw.

IESOUS a GH which makes the GHESUS sounds in Spanish.
A bit like B in spanish it is a V.
so I am thinking IE or J is actually pronounced GH.

[Motherof8]

There seem to be similarities between to name Zeus and Jesus. It can be pronounced Ye-sus.

[cacian]

There seem to be similarities between to name Zeus and Jesus. It can be pronounced Ye-sus.

Ye -sus sounds like 'I am' or'I six' in french.

[Volya]

Ye -sus sounds like 'I am' or'I six' in french.

I really don't think the name Jesus is derived from French...

[cacian]

I really don't think the name Jesus is derived from French...



JE is I in French

SUS/SUIS mean AM in French

There is only an I difference in the second bit of the name.

It is too similar to be dissimilar in my views.

[JCamilo]

Jesus, the french wine maker...

[cacian]

Jesus, the french wine maker...

not even that all he is to do is have water and he'll turn it into wine ;)

[Volya]

JE is I in French

SUS/SUIS mean AM in French

There is only an I difference in the second bit of the name.

It is too similar to be dissimilar in my views.

I know what it means... Coincidence and nothing else. Jesus is not french, he was not born in France, nor did he ever go to France. They did not speak french back then in the same way that we do now.

[cacian]

I know what it means... Coincidence and nothing else. Jesus is not french, he was not born in France, nor did he ever go to France. They did not speak french back then in the same way that we do now.

Is there a difference between a Jewish a Latin and a French?