To Swear Or Not To Swear

[Sancho Panza]

This is a topic I've been wandering about for some time now. Is swearing a good thing or a bad thing?

I know that research has been done that suggests that swearing immediately after an injury can act as an analgesic, but only for a person who doesn't swear very often, as opposed to thos f-ing people who f-ing swear all the f-ing time. People who never stop swearing, even to point where they say "f-ing" rather than "erm".

Then again there are those who say that swearing is a degredation to one's vocabulary. I would disagre with that claim as in certain contexts swearing can enhance how somebody feels about a certain topic or just to express an emotion. Of course if used at the wrong time it can be offensive and words such as those with racial origins should be avoided, but used moderately and sensibly, I advocate that swearing is an important function of language that should no longer be shunned.

[Emil Miller]

I don't like swearing and it seems to be becoming more prevalent. Only the other day I heard some fould-mouthed bastard sounding off on the radio.

All joking aside though, it shows an inability to express oneself articulately without resorting to crudely offensive language and that alone, except when occasionally used in jest, makes it a no,no.

[BookBeauty]

Any kind of swearing, in any context, is often disturbing to me. I frown upon it. It just seems uncouth and unnecessary. Although I tolerate it in conversation as the norm, I simply do not approve. :D

[Sancho Panza]

At the end of the day though, they are just words, however they are used. They are always on standby in moments of extreme emotion in case you temporarily lose your ability to be articulate.

[Emil Miller]

At the end of the day though, they are just words, however they are used. They are always on standby in moments of extreme emotion in case you temporarily lose your ability to be articulate.

This may well be true, but if you know how to remain articulate in circumstances where the cause of your annoyance happens be another person, it's possible to punish the perpetrator by keeping cool and destroying their belief in themselves with language that is more like a rapier than a bludgeon.

[BookBeauty]

This may well be true, but if you know how to remain articulate in circumstances where the cause of your annoyance happens be another person, it's possible to punish the perpetrator by keeping cool and destroying their belief in themselves with language that is more like a rapier than a bludgeon.

:iagree:

[KCurtis]

I swear when I am really mad, but I don't swear at people, except my husband, once in awhile. Someone would really have to do something horrible for me to react in that way, (except for my husband, he gets it when he is being too clueless). I also don't give the finger to drivers who cut me off (unless it was my husband) my son did that once when he was a passenger in our car, I gave him a lengthy lecture on how that can get you killed.
However I would like to swear at my Governor.

[Lokasenna]

While I understand Emil's point, I do think there are times when swearing may be artfully and meaningfully employed. It is because I do not swear with every breath that, when I do it, people know that I mean business.

As for the taboo nature of it all, I must admit I have no difficulty saying f*** when the need arises, and it certainly causes no blushes. About the only word I actually have difficulty expressing due to the offensive nature of it is c**t.

[Paulclem]

There has been research into swearing as a painkiller, which is referenced by several articles on the web.

Here's one.

http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/04/19/6489832-swearing-really-is-a-powerful-painkiller-study-shows

I can testify to the painkiller effect of swearing. The number of times i've caused myself those minor toe stubs, or ankle twists are too numerous to mention, and each time i'm sure my sturdy and florid use of swearwords has helped me through the pain barrier.

I think comdy swearing is funny. It might be a blokey thing, but one of the things my friends and I used to do all the time was think up and use the most abusive phrases we could. Classics such as:

You ******* *** ******* and You flat nosed *** **** are common, the humour being in the appropriateness of use and the emphasis of the words.

Having said that, I don't use swearwords in normal conversation, and not at work. A well placed swearword - in the right company - can enhance a comic line, whereas overuse is just tedious.

[Buh4Bee]

Well according to this article posted by Paul, we should swear away, particularly women when in pain. Personally, as I get older, I swear less and less often, but as a teenager, I swore like a sailor. There are particular instances that do bring on a round of swears, like when my beagle goes out to piddle and gets his line wrapped around the step. Then he can't get inside, because the line is too short. Following my awareness of this highly annoying scenario, I have to step out into 18 weather in my PJs to untangle him. He gets called a thing or two. But at work I rarely swear. I do know who it offends and am very conscious of watching my mouth.

I agree with Emil's point that people who speaks with too much profanity sounds foolish. If you are frustrated, you can express yourself in a controlled manner and make a more hurtful point than using profanity.

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

This may well be true, but if you know how to remain articulate in circumstances where the cause of your annoyance happens be another person, it's possible to punish the perpetrator by keeping cool and destroying their belief in themselves with language that is more like a rapier than a bludgeon.

Yes, because the artful use of language will surely be appreciated by the man whose most clever insult is, "Go eat ****, mother****er."

I curse. Sometimes I curse a lot. I usually keep it in context though, like when I'm with friends or my dad (who also curses a lot). I never curse when meeting strangers. I usually only curse when joking around or emphasizing a point.

I hate the argument that when someone curses, it just means that they're unable to articulate themselves. While it may be true with some people, it is hardly a universal rule. I can use myself as an example. I can also use a few of my professors as an example, as their vocabularies are through the roof, but that doesn't keep them from using curse words every now and then (usually just in private conversation, because we know each other well enough to know that we can be ourselves).

Like someone said, they're just words. Get the **** over it, will ya?

[Buh4Bee]

:lol::lol::lol:

[Alexander III]

Who gives a fcuk?

[Buh4Bee]

no one

[Emil Miller]

[QUOTE]Like someone said, they're just words. Get the **** over it, will ya?

"You silly twisted boy", as Hercules Gryptpipe Thynne was wont to say.

[Darcy88]

I can also use a few of my professors as an example, as their vocabularies are through the roof, but that doesn't keep them from using curse words every now and then (usually just in private conversation, because we know each other well enough to know that we can be ourselves).


Same here. Any shame I had at swearing in the right context went out the door when I started attending college and noticed how most of my professors, all highly intelligent and articulate people, would swear in our private one on one conversations.

I worked construction in the summers growing up and then for a full year coming out of high school. There every second or third word was a cuss word. In the right context there's nothing wrong with it. You watch a Tarantino or Scorcese flick and you see how swearing can be done intelligently, not around your grand-mother or some goody-two-shoes gal you're trying to bed, but around your friends for sure. ****.

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

Same here. Any shame I had at swearing in the right context went out the door when I started attending college and noticed how most of my professors, all highly intelligent and articulate people, would swear in our private one on one conversations.

Yeah. Plus, high school (and surely grade and middle school) would be blown away by the vulgar conversations that take place in the teacher's lounge. :lol:

[BienvenuJDC]

At the end of the day though, they are just words, however they are used. They are always on standby in moments of extreme emotion in case you temporarily lose your ability to be articulate.

If words are just words, then there is no difference between "good" literature and "bad" literature. We all know that isn't true. So being those who appreciate literature with a well chosen vocabulary, I think that it's up for discussion.

Are they "just words" or is there something behind each word that we use?

[stlukesguild]

Yeah. Plus, high school (and surely grade and middle school) would be blown away by the vulgar conversations that take place in the teacher's lounge. :lol:

It depends upon the teachers. I used to hang out with the Gym/PE teacher and the two of us could swear like drunken sailors. We'd have lunch with the Kindergarten and First Grade teachers (his wife taught First Grade) and we would laugh at how different their speech and their approach to discipline was from ours. Of course we were regularly dealing with crazy, inner-city, urban middle-school students. One of the kindergarten teachers... the nicest woman and the most motherly type of teacher whose kids love her and would almost cry for shame if they thought they had upset her... told us how she scared herself as a result of yelling at some middle-school students in the hall that were swearing in front of her little one's. I, on the other hand, face the fact that if I attempted to write up every student who swore in my class I'd never get anything done. Usually just the threat is enough:

Deontay: Fcuk!
Me: What!? What'd you say?
Deontay: I said "duck" Mr. K. I was telling Shakira to "duck".
Me: Oh... well that's OK... 'cos I thought you had something else. One of the words that could get you a day at home, and then I'd have to call your Momma and all that.
Deontay: Oh no, Mr. K. It was "duck".

I'm honest with my kids. They know I swear. But I have made it clear that such a vocabulary is not acceptable in many contexts... and certainly not ideal to gaining entrance into the more professional world. They refer to it as "talking white"... but we'll point out that even Obama... and most African American celebrities who attain a level of respect and status beyond the 'hood master a vocabulary that goes beyond the hood.

I think we should recognize that just as various professions employ a specialized vocabulary that must be mastered to an extent if one is to be taken seriously within that field, so it is that there are social contexts in which the vocabulary changes. As Mutatis pointed out, the artful use of language is not likely to be appreciated by the man whose most clever insult is, "Go eat ****, mother****er." Some teachers have pointed out that without profanity many of our students wouldn't have any adjectives or adverbs. Unfortunately, this is not far from the truth. To engage in a dialog with such an individual employing your graceful and well honed lexicon built upon years of having read Shakespeare, Milton, Dickens, Wilde, Baudelaire, etc... is not likely to endear you with or impress that audience.

[stlukesguild]

If words are just words, then there is no difference between "good" literature and "bad" literature.

But then again... didn't Wilde recognize that: "There is no such thing as a moral or an immoral book. Books are well written, or badly written. That is all." Are we suggesting some words are inherently "immoral"? Surely this leads us into the long history of the use of profanity and censorship. What, then, do we make of Chaucer's Miller's Tale, various tales by Boccaccio or from the Arabian Nights? What of Rabelais, Sterne, Francois Villon, Aristophanes, Ulysses, etc...?

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

I think it just comes down to context. A smart human being knows when it's appropriate to curse and when it isn't.


If words are just words, then there is no difference between "good" literature and "bad" literature. We all know that isn't true. So being those who appreciate literature with a well chosen vocabulary, I think that it's up for discussion.

Are they "just words" or is there something behind each word that we use?
I think the problem with this comparison is that literature is never judged on the single words themselves. There are countless examples of what is widely considered good literature that is laced with profanity and vulgarity. If each word has a set "value," the use of words with a lower value would lessen the work of literature, and I don't think the majority of people don't think that way.

[BienvenuJDC]

I guess what I am saying is that the statement "words are just words" isn't true. Words have meanings, and if the meaning is profane or vulgar, then they can be quite inappropriate. Especially when they are used just for the sake of using them.

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

I guess what I am saying is that the statement "words are just words" isn't true. Words have meanings, and if the meaning is profane or vulgar, then they can be quite inappropriate. Especially when they are used just for the sake of using them.

Agreed. I guess it's just a matter of how much value we put into them. I think some people find curse words much more offensive than is logical.

[JuniperWoolf]

I rarely use swear words when I'm trying to make a point or when a conversation gets heated, because I find that this can be accomplished more effectively without calling pointless names (eg. "you son of a b*tch" -that's not even personal, there's no edge to that whatsoever). I'll throw an f*cking in there between the occasional word though, it seems to have a powerful effect. I more commonly use swear words during regular conversation with my peers, I like their flavor and style, they match how I choose to present myself in a social context.


As for the taboo nature of it all, I must admit I have no difficulty saying f*** when the need arises, and it certainly causes no blushes. About the only word I actually have difficulty expressing due to the offensive nature of it is c**t.

I don't know why c**t is considered such a strong word. Many people who have no reservations about other swear words still have an aversion to that one. Is there some history to that word which I'm not aware of?

[MystyrMystyry]

I think it's because it's a body part part that belongs to our lovely mothers, sisters and daughters, and various female fiends. It can be a real guilt one to use in mixed company.

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

Yeah, but no one seems guilty when they say pussy, snatch, muff, beaver, or any other hilarious modicum of vagina.

Personally,, **** (the c-word) is something I rarely use, only for the most extreme of cases, like when a video game makes me mad. I just remember when I first learned about the word, my dad warned me that it is not a word to be used lightly, that it would be quicker to offend than any other word out there, the n-word notwithstanding. Why that's the case, I have no idea.

[KCurtis]

I don't know why c**t is considered such a strong word. Many people who have no reservations about other swear words still have an aversion to that one. Is there some history to that word which I'm not aware of?

I really don't know, but my husband finds it extremely demeaning towards women, and never says it. That is one of many reasons I married him. There is a certain type of person who thinks it's okay to say that word, and I just think it's vulgar. Vulgarity is different than just a swear word here and there.

[KCurtis]

Yeah, but no one seems guilty when they say pussy, snatch, muff, beaver, or any other hilarious modicum of vagina.

I've never hung out with people who say those words. Not in front of women anyways. And I have ridden with several Hells Angels, so I'm not a "goody two shoes".

[Buh4Bee]

Sorry MM, but I'll sound self-righteous here for a moment. I think words like b8tch or cv*t are degrading to the female sex in general and, as I usually say, perpetuate a discriminatory nature. I think in general, such terms are highly vulgar and offensive to many/most people.

[Sancho Panza]

Some words that have since become swear words used to be perfectly ordinary words like b*tch and b*stard. It makes me wonder which of todays' words might find themselves being relegated to swear words.

[MarkBastable]

I've never hung out with people who say those words. Not in front of women anyways. And I have ridden with several Hells Angels, so I'm not a "goody two shoes".


When you say "people" and "not in front of women", it rather implies that the people in question are men.

In which case I could introduce you to a few people who are women - and well-educated, articulate, professional women, at that (at least a couple of whom are from Massachusetts) - who use those words all the time.

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

I've never hung out with people who say those words. Not in front of women anyways. And I have ridden with several Hells Angels, so I'm not a "goody two shoes".
Well, Hell's Angels are the very archetype of the gentleman.

Sorry MM, but I'll sound self-righteous here for a moment. I think words like b8tch or cv*t are degrading to the female sex in general and, as I usually say, perpetuate a discriminatory nature. I think in general, such terms are highly vulgar and offensive to many/most people.
I never said they weren't offensive, or degrading, though I don't find it that degrading. It's not as if women are above using childish names in place of the word "penis." As I said before (I wish I could make this my signature for this thread so people will remember and I won't have to keep repeating myself) it's all about context.

And, frankly, some people are too sensitive.

[KCurtis]

When you say "people" and "not in front of women", it rather implies that the people in question are men.

In which case I could introduce you to a few people who are women - and well-educated, articulate, professional women, at that (at least a couple of whom are from Massachusetts) - who use those words all the time.

So? Then they must be from AMHERST,MASSACHUSETTS, and why would I ever want to go there? No, I'll stick with my articulate professional acquaintances and friends, thanks.

[KCurtis]

Well, Hell's Angels are the very archetype of the gentleman.


They were when I was with them. And they ride like no other motorcyclists I've ever seen.

[MarkBastable]

So? Then they must be from AMHERST,MASSACHUSETTS, and why would I ever want to go there? No, I'll stick with my articulate professional acquaintances and friends, thanks.

Which is fine. I was just suggesting that there are articulate and well-educated women whose vocabulary encompasses the kind of language your Hell's Angels wouldn't use in front of women.

And they aren't from Amherst, by the way. They're from Cambridge and Somerville.

[KCurtis]

Which is fine. I was just suggesting that there are articulate and well-educated women whose vocabulary encompasses the kind of language your Hell's Angels wouldn't use in front of women.

And they aren't from Amherst, by the way. They're from Cambridge and Somerville.
Ah ha!!! Cambridge, Mass. My husband lived there once. He calls it the People's Republic of Cambridge. As for Somerville, it has become full of people who call themselves hip. It may be true, that city has greatly improved. It used to be called Slummerville.

[MarkBastable]

Ah ha!!! Cambridge, Mass. My husband lived there once. He calls it the People's Republic of Cambridge. As for Somerville, it has become full of people who call themselves hip. It may be true, that city has greatly improved. It used to be called Slummerville.

I know. I used to live there - twenty five years ago, admittedly.

I'm not quite sure what the significance is of the triumphant Ah ha!!! though.

[KCurtis]

I know. I used to live there - twenty five years ago, admittedly.

I'm not quite sure what the significance is of the triumphant Ah ha!!! though.

I'm not triumphant, I just could have guessed it was Cambridge- Cambridge is similar to Amherst. Are you an American who moved to London? I would love to do that for a few years, then move back here. Can't do it though-money and other stuff keeps us here.

[BienvenuJDC]

And, frankly, some people are too sensitive.

And likewise, some people are too abrasive.

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

I'll take the abrasive ones any day.

[Emil Miller]

I'll take the abrasive ones any day.

It might be hard for you to realise it, at this very early stage in your life, but there are other people living on the planet.

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

It might be hard for you to realise it, at this very early stage in your life, but there are other people living on the planet.

I'm not even sure what that's supposed to mean, Emil.

[Darcy88]

I'm not even sure what that's supposed to mean, Emil.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_LDidmgu4ZzE/So1eWouS_JI/AAAAAAAABEc/l8-kZnTDSsM/s400/grandpa-simpson-shakes-fist-at-cloud1.jpg

That's how I interpret it at least.

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Darcy88]

It might be hard for you to realise it, at this very early stage in your life, but there are other people living on the planet.

John Keats died at 25. Schopenhauer wrote his magnum opus before the age of thirty. And then there was Arthur Rimbaud. Ageism is silly really.

[MarkBastable]

It might be hard for you to realise it, at this very early stage in your life, but there are other people living on the planet.


...though only because Emil continues to permit it.

[Emil Miller]

I'm not even sure what that's supposed to mean, Emil.

Oh well, I'll explain it to you.

Just because YOU are prepared to take the abrasive ones, doesn't mean that everyone else should, which is implicit in your statement.

[Emil Miller]

John Keats died at 25. Schopenhauer wrote his magnum opus before the age of thirty. And then there was Arthur Rimbaud. Ageism is silly really.

I don't see Mutatis quite fitting in with those you have mentioned. Then again, he might be hiding his light under a bushel, although I somehow doubt it.

[Emil Miller]

...though only because Emil continues to permit it.

:leaving:Exuant, pursued by a bore.

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

Oh well, I'll explain it to you.

Just because YOU are prepared to take the abrasive ones, doesn't mean that everyone else should, which is implicit in your statement.

How is saying I'll take the abrasive ones any day implicit that everyone else should?

And it wasn't a statement of what I am prepared to take, but what I preferred to take. If I'm prepared to take something, that connotes that I wouldn't like it, hence why I'd have to prepar myself. I don't have to prepare myself for abrasive people--I like their company, and that in now wau implies I think everyone else should.


I don't see Mutatis quite fitting in with those you have mentioned. Then again, he might be hiding his light under a bushel, although I somehow doubt it.
I could easily say the same for you, Emil, and you're much older than me. You're misinterpreting his point, anyways. (You seem to be having problems with interpretation, lately.) It wasn't given as an example of what I can do, but what young people can do in general . . . which perfectly invalidates any sort of claim that young people can't be as intellectual, mature, or productive as older people.

[Emil Miller]

How is saying I'll take the abrasive ones any day implicit that everyone else should?

And it wasn't a statement of what I am prepared to take, but what I preferred to take. If I'm prepared to take something, that connotes that I wouldn't like it, hence why I'd have to prepar myself. I don't have to prepare myself for abrasive people--I like their company, and that in now wau implies I think everyone else should.


I could easily say the same for you, Emil, and you're much older than me. You're misinterpreting his point, anyways. (You seem to be having problems with interpretation, lately.) It wasn't given as an example of what I can do, but what young people can do in general . . . which perfectly invalidates any sort of claim that young people can't be as intellectual, mature, or productive as older people.


Oh all right, I'll let you off this time.

[MarkBastable]

:leaving:Exuant, pursued by a bore.

That's 'exeunt'. Your Latin's no better than your English. And, anyway, in this instance, you'd need the singular 'exit'.

It might be better to stick to what you know. Though I realise that would limit your contribution somewhat.

[Emil Miller]

That's 'exeunt'. Your Latin's no better than your English. And, anyway, in this instance, you'd need the singular 'exit'.

It might be better to stick to what you know. Though I realise that would limit your contribution somewhat.

:leaving: Exit pursued by a bore

[MarkBastable]

:leaving: Exit pursued by a bore

See? All you need is caring, involved support.

[Emil Miller]

See? All you need is caring, involved support.

Will the penny never drop?

:leaving: Exit pursued by a bore.

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

Oh all right, I'll let you off this time.

Huzzah! I did not expect that.

[Emil Miller]

Huzzah! I did not expect that.

Well there's no point in arguing for the sake of it. I leave that to one other member, whose whole contribution in relation to the forum is to try to prove how clever he is by nitpicking over anything that takes his fancy. As you have said yourself, there's nothing unusual in getting snarky comments from this individual, but a bigger bore it would be difficult to find.

[Delta40]

I find it interesting that in Australia men and women can be called a c**t but only men are pricks :smile5:

[Emil Miller]

I find it interesting that in Australia men and women can be called a c**t but only men are pricks :smile5:

It is indeed an interesting point but it most certainly applies to some men more than others.

[skib]

So I'm gonna jump in the middle of this conversation without reading a single reply (as is my typical tendency.)

Swearing is a good thing and a bad thing. I cuss constantly. So much as to probably 'degrade my vocabulary' and I don't care. It is a part of who I am. I make absolutely no effort to change that, even with people I don't know. Will I go to hell for it? absolutely not. but I'm sure I've got more to worry about than dropping the F bomb more than once.

As far as 'is it a good thing or a bad thing?' yes and no. I have spoken to people that will not take a point seriously unless there is a serious use of an expletive in the statement. I have used the tactic frequently- someone won't take me seriously until I get in their face and use an impressive display of bad words. On the other hand, using foul language in such excess (such as I tend to do) causes it to lose the weight it once carried. So, in a nutshell, it is not a sin to cuss. They are just words. On the other hand, if everyone continues to use the F bomb as much as I, it will lose effectiveness.

[stlukesguild]

I must say one rarely hears "c**t" among the most profane discussions here in the US. "F***" of course is an all-purpose word: noun, verb, adjective, adverb. The most advanced users are able to employ the word in splitting a larger word such as "Fan- f***-ing- tastic!":crazy:

Perhaps the the incident involving the "C" word that sticks the most in my memory involved my wife. Now I should note that while she has been known to swear on occasion... she only does so with reason. She is not likely to employ a "Sh**" or "F***" unless she has been ticked off or angered to a good extent. The incident that I remember occurred in one of those large chain book stores. We were sitting in the cafe where endless teenagers gather... laugh... gossip... play video games on their i-phones or listen to their i-pods while waiting for a movie at the theater next door. Numerous young, urban, professionals are clicking away on their lap-tops, and the cappuccino and espresso machines churn out a consistent noise. I had left her to go check out a stack of art magazines. While I was gone, her daughter, who lives just outside New York called. As she was talking to her daughter, some snooty, rich old bat strutted up to her and loudly complained about how rude it was to be talking on the phone in a book store. When I returned she was sitting silently... clearly fuming about something. Finally she told me what had happened and pointed out the woman who was still sitting nearby. I told her to forget about it, but she continued to fume. Suddenly she burst out... "Get me out of here! If you don't get me out of here right now I'm gonna go over there and cuss out that old c**t licker in front of everyone." I laughed nervously... but she continued, "I'm not kidding, if you don't get me away from that c*** l***** right now it's gonna get ugly." I rushed and checked out the one art magazine I wanted and out we went. All the way home she kept bursting forth, "God d*** c*** l*****!":eek2: Every now and then I'll mention the incident, and immediately the same words burst forth from her mouth... which I have never heard from her on any other occasion.

In reality, my wife is small (5-foot even) and slow to anger... but once she gets fired up, she's difficult to cool off... and the one area that she is most easily angered concerns her family. The poor woman in the book store had no idea what she was getting into when she interrupted a conversation between my wife and her daughter whom she sees but twice a year.

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

Well there's no point in arguing for the sake of it. I leave that to one other member, whose whole contribution in relation to the forum is to try to prove how clever he is by nitpicking over anything that takes his fancy. As you have said yourself, there's nothing unusual in getting snarky comments from this individual, but a bigger bore it would be difficult to find.
Oh, I get a kick out of Mark. He can't be taken too seriously.

I must say one rarely hears "c**t" among the most profane discussions here in the US. "F***" of course is an all-purpose word: noun, verb, adjective, adverb. The most advanced users are able to employ the word in splitting a larger word such as "Fan- f***-ing- tastic!":crazy:

Perhaps the the incident involving the "C" word that sticks the most in my memory involved my wife. Now I should note that while she has been known to swear on occasion... she only does so with reason. She is not likely to employ a "Sh**" or "F***" unless she has been ticked off or angered to a good extent. The incident that I remember occurred in one of those large chain book stores. We were sitting in the cafe where endless teenagers gather... laugh... gossip... play video games on their i-phones or listen to their i-pods while waiting for a movie at the theater next door. Numerous young, urban, professionals are clicking away on their lap-tops, and the cappuccino and espresso machines churn out a consistent noise. I had left her to go check out a stack of art magazines. While I was gone, her daughter, who lives just outside New York called. As she was talking to her daughter, some snooty, rich old bat strutted up to her and loudly complained about how rude it was to be talking on the phone in a book store. When I returned she was sitting silently... clearly fuming about something. Finally she told me what had happened and pointed out the woman who was still sitting nearby. I told her to forget about it, but she continued to fume. Suddenly she burst out... "Get me out of here! If you don't get me out of here right now I'm gonna go over there and cuss out that old c**t licker in front of everyone." I laughed nervously... but she continued, "I'm not kidding, if you don't get me away from that c*** l***** right now it's gonna get ugly." I rushed and checked out the one art magazine I wanted and out we went. All the way home she kept bursting forth, "God d*** c*** l*****!":eek2: Every now and then I'll mention the incident, and immediately the same words burst forth from her mouth... which I have never heard from her on any other occasion.

In reality, my wife is small (5-foot even) and slow to anger... but once she gets fired up, she's difficult to cool off... and the one area that she is most easily angered concerns her family. The poor woman in the book store had no idea what she was getting into when she interrupted a conversation between my wife and her daughter whom she sees but twice a year.
Your wife sounds hot, StLukes, :lol:.

As to the word **** (c-word), I've found a lot more women who use it on a regular basis than men. It almost seems like a situation where it's a word women can say but men can't, sort of like black people and the n-word, though not nearly as volatile. Anytime a woman says it, I find it strangely erotic.

[JuniperWoolf]

I don't mind using words which are considered by some to be anti-female, especially the ones which are simply synonyms of female body parts. I don't think that synonyms for our body parts are anything to be offended over, but I recognize that some men might use such langage in an attempt to intimidate women. For this same reason, many other men will avoid using that language at all costs. Both of these mindsets imply the same thing: that women are weak. This is obvious in the men who seek to intimidate us, but the other breed, well, they think we need to be protected. They think we're too weak to handle certain words. This is the same reason why I hate "equal opportunity" and extremely restrictive sexual harrasment laws: I don't need a handicap. No language is off limits, it takes more than that to offend me.

I say c*nt A LOT when I'm playing video games. Just last night I was in a really low region of a dungeon on Skyrim when I got swarmed and died, sending me aaaaaaalllll the way back to the door. I collected a sh*t ton of mushroom in that stupid cave too, it took forever.


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_LDidmgu4ZzE/So1eWouS_JI/AAAAAAAABEc/l8-kZnTDSsM/s400/grandpa-simpson-shakes-fist-at-cloud1.jpg

That's how I interpret it at least.

:smilielol5: Oh man, I'm so gonna use that in the future.


:leaving:Exuant, pursued by a bore.

That's the same defense mechanism you always fall back on when Mark burns you on your trolling. "Yeah?!? Well... that's all just boring talk, so I'm not responding!" It's starting to get (you guessed it) BORING. I think I should start a tally.

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Suddenly she burst out... "Get me out of here! If you don't get me out of here right now I'm gonna go over there and cuss out that old c**t licker in front of everyone." I laughed nervously... but she continued, "I'm not kidding, if you don't get me away from that c*** l***** right now it's gonna get ugly." I rushed and checked out the one art magazine I wanted and out we went. All the way home she kept bursting forth, "God d*** c*** l*****!":eek2: Every now and then I'll mention the incident, and immediately the same words burst forth from her mouth... which I have never heard from her on any other occasion.

Hahaha, that's awesome. I once saw a classy looking middle aged woman freak out on a guy in a bistro because he was staring at her teenage daughter and grabbing his crotch, I have never heard language like that so skillfully employed in my entire life. It was really one of the best things I've ever witnessed, the guy was probably about thirty and I swear to god I'm almost certain there were tears in his eyes. He was all blotchy and red like a terrified eleven year old.

[Emil Miller]

[QUOTE]Oh, I get a kick out of Mark. He can't be taken too seriously.

:lol: That's the last thing anyone would do.

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

I don't mind using words which are considered by some to be anti-female, especially the ones which are simply synonyms of female body parts. I don't think that synonyms for our body parts are anything to be offended over, but I recognize that some men might use such langage in an attempt to intimidate women. For this same reason, many other men will avoid using that language at all costs. Both of these mindsets imply the same thing: that women are weak. This is obvious in the men who seek to intimidate us, but the other breed, well, they think we need to be protected. They think we're too weak to handle certain words. This is the same reason why I hate "equal opportunity" and extremely restrictive sexual harrasment laws: I don't need a handicap. No language is off limits, it takes more than that to offend me.
Well, I think some men, like me, don't say c*** around women, or any stranger, simply because it's in bad taste. I've never thought, "Oh, I better not say that or I'll offend the delicate woman." Sometimes I think women put a lot of thoughts in our head that just aren't there.

I say c*nt A LOT when I'm playing video games. Just last night I was in a really low region of a dungeon on Skyrim when I got swarmed and died, sending me aaaaaaalllll the way back to the door. I collected a sh*t ton of mushroom in that stupid cave too, it took forever.

Video games definitely inspire more cursing from me than anything else. When I'm playing multiplayer on CoD, I get so irrationally mad at people . . . I think I have a problem. Need to play more Skyrim, which I rarely get mad at (probably because I don't screw around with collecting mushrooms :D).

[qimissung]

I was going to ask if cursing needed to be labeled either good or bad. It simply is. And it should, like anything else, be employed to one's purpose, adroitly and with expertise, which would include and understanding of when and when not to curse.

When you're with with friends judicious use of the f word can most certainly enhance the conversation, and Juniper's is a prime example of when to use it to make a point.

[Emil Miller]

[QUOTE]Juniper is a prime example of .........

:lol: Don't tempt me.

[Darcy88]

For this same reason, many other men will avoid using that language at all costs. Both of these mindsets imply the same thing: that women are weak. This is obvious in the men who seek to intimidate us, but the other breed, well, they think we need to be protected. They think we're too weak to handle certain words. This is the same reason why I hate "equal opportunity" and extremely restrictive sexual harrasment laws: I don't need a handicap. No language is off limits, it takes more than that to offend me.


I don't think its men looking on women as weak. Its respect. The two most important people in most men's lives are a man's mother and his wife. I may belong to a prior century but I lament the near total loss of chivalry. Women bring us into this world, give us life, and to live is to love and it is woman that we love most. No matter what cultural developments take place, all decent men will forever feel it imperative to protect the feminine and regard women as special. Furthermore, women may not be weak, but they will always be in need of good men to protect them from the bad, whether that means a brother or husband acting out of love or a cop just doing his job.

[Alexander III]

I don't think its men looking on women as weak. Its respect. The two most important people in most men's lives are a man's mother and his wife. I may belong to a prior century but I lament the near total loss of chivalry. Women bring us into this world, give us life, and to live is to love and it is woman that we love most. No matter what cultural developments take place, all decent men will forever feel it imperative to protect the feminine and regard women as special. Furthermore, women may not be weak, but they will always be in need of good men to protect them from the bad, whether that means a brother or husband acting out of love or a cop just doing his job.

I agree compleatly.

Juniper what you are saying is pure feminist bull****. My mother raised me to always behave like a gentleman, and treat women like princesses. At the end of the day there is not one woman in the world who does not wish to be treated princess, and the feminists tend to be the ones who were never treated with respect, and their rage is not directed towards men, but to other women, who are treated like princesses by men. It is all envy. I will concede that it is not equall, that is the point, for the man to show himself subserviant towards the woman.

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

Well, now you're taking it too far in the other direction, Alex and Darcy. Alex, that is just pure sexist bull****, as is the "all women need to be protected from such-and-such" statement. Give me a break. I love that sentence: "Furthermore, women may not be weak, but they will always be in need of good men to protect them from the bad, whether that means a brother or husband acting out of love or a cop just doing his job." I mean, come on, did you read that sentence before posting it?

There's a difference between being a gentleman and being a condescending jackass.

I don't see how what Juniper says is off-base, as there are surely some men who think that way (Alex and Darcy just pretty much admitted they were). She said nothing extreme, not even close.

I guess both sides, Juniper's and Alex/Darcy, are making hasty generalizations here.

[KCurtis]

I agree compleatly.

Juniper what you are saying is pure feminist bull****. My mother raised me to always behave like a gentleman, and treat women like princesses. At the end of the day there is not one woman in the world who does not wish to be treated princess, and the feminists tend to be the ones who were never treated with respect, and their rage is not directed towards men, but to other women, who are treated like princesses by men. It is all envy. I will concede that it is not equall, that is the point, for the man to show himself subserviant towards the woman.
You are SO wrong. I do NOT wish to be treated as a "princess", as you say all women do. Nope. I wish to be treated as a human being, with respect, just like you.

[Darcy88]

Well, now you're taking it too far in the other direction, Alex and Darcy. Alex, that is just pure sexist bull****, as is the "all women need to be protected from such-and-such" statement. Give me a break. I love that sentence: "Furthermore, women may not be weak, but they will always be in need of good men to protect them from the bad, whether that means a brother or husband acting out of love or a cop just doing his job." I mean, come on, did you read that sentence before posting it?

There's a difference between being a gentleman and being a condescending jackass.

All I really said was that men should respect women and regard them as special. And yes, my statement that "women may not be weak, but they will always be in need of good men to protect them from the bad, whether that means a brother or husband acting out of love or a cop just doing his job" is true and I don't see how it can be disputed.

We do or at least should treat our mothers, our sisters and our wives as princesses, like Alex said. Every woman is someone else's mother, sister or wife and so should receive the extension of that courtesy.

It was argued that some men maintain a certain decorum around women due to the fact that those men consider women weak and unable to handle rough speech. I don't think it is so. Those men do so out of respect. A man's life is given to him by a woman and often finds its purpose in loving a woman. They aren't just men with breasts and long hair, at least not in my book.

[KCurtis]

I don't mind using words which are considered by some to be anti-female, especially the ones which are simply synonyms of female body parts. I don't think that synonyms for our body parts are anything to be offended over, but I recognize that some men might use such langage in an attempt to intimidate women. For this same reason, many other men will avoid using that language at all costs. Both of these mindsets imply the same thing: that women are weak. This is obvious in the men who seek to intimidate us, but the other breed, well, they think we need to be protected. They think we're too weak to handle certain words. This is the same reason why I hate "equal opportunity" and extremely restrictive sexual harrasment laws: I don't need a handicap. No language is off limits, it takes more than that to offend me.

I have to disagree with you on this one, and I don't disagree with you that often, (except for your dislike of my favorite book :cryin:), but my husband would never use the c word because of these reasons;
he finds it disrespectful
he thinks it's inappropriate in ALL situations
He is also the most "feminist" man I know. He treats women as equals, he loves smart, funny women who can challenge him intellectually, many of his favorite poets, singers, songwriters are women. I could go on.
At the same time, he opens doors for me all the time, has me order first in a restaurant.
These are the reasons I married him, and the one clue to his character was that he is able to be friends with women.
I do like to swear though.:cuss:

[Darcy88]

To me sexism means you consider women to be intellectually inferior and believe they should have freedoms and status lesser than those of men.

Then at the opposite extreme you have a feminism which posits that whatever differences that exist between men and women are purely cultural and looks down with utmost disdain on those women who assume traditionally female roles and don't mind depending on a man to take care of them physically and financially.

My own view is that women are our intellectual equals, are capable of doing pretty much anything a man can do, and should be allowed to do whatever they want. But though I consider them equal in mind and in will I do not consider them equal in the sense of their being the same as men. Y does not equal x. A woman should not be forced to stay home and raise children in any instance, but I bet in many cases a woman would find that more fulfilling than would a man. You see more male CEOs and surgeons and politicians not only because of bias against women (which I believe is definitely out there and a significant contributor to the phenomenon) but because not all women hold up professional success up as the ultimate goal while that is precisely the case with most men. The current state of affairs, where a woman can choose to be independent or dependent, can look at a female Secretary of State, head of the IMF or German Chancellor and think "I can do anything I want," while still knowing she has the option of marrying, having children and making a home, to me that's a fine circumstance.

I know I might get a lot of **** for this somewhat off-topic and perhaps controversial rant, but its what I believe.

[MarkBastable]

All I really said was that men should respect women and regard them as special.

In order to for something to be 'special', there has to be something else in the same sort of categorical area that's not 'special'. 'Special' is necessarily relative.

So men should regard women as 'special' relative to what?

[Darcy88]

In order to for something to be 'special', there has to be something else in the same sort of categorical area that's not 'special'. 'Special' is necessarily relative.

So men should regard women as 'special' relative to what?

Relative to men. I would sooner call a man a bastard than a woman a *****.

[MarkBastable]

Relative to men. I would sooner call a man a bastard than a woman a *****.



Okay - so to pursue the logic here - all women are special, relative to men. Specialness is intrinsic to womanhood. Unspecialness, relative to women, is intrinsic to manhood.

[Darcy88]

Okay - so to pursue the logic here - all women are special, relative to men. Specialness is intrinsic to womanhood. Unspecialness, relative to women, is intrinsic to manhood.

Yes. I don't see what is wrong with that. I don't curse at women, haven't in years. I don't hit women, never have. I've cursed at a lot of men and hit a number of them in my time.

If a man called your sister a whore you would have words for him and might go so far as to hit him. If a woman said something nasty about your brother not only would you not strike her, you probably wouldn't even cuss her out.

[MarkBastable]

I've never understood this thing about people getting upset about their mothers or sisters being insulted. A guy in a bar in the US once said to me something along the lines of,

"Your mother, she ***ks ***ks in ****ing truckstops, man."

And I said,

"As you have very little idea who I am, and absolutely no idea about my mother, it seems really unlikely that that's anything more than a speculative punt on your part which, if untrue, is just silly, and if true is hardly something I'd argue with you about, but in either case, it's a bit irrelevant to the issue of whether or not I nudged your elbow as I walked past on my way to the restrooms, isn't it?"

He seemed a tad nonplussed by that response.

[Darcy88]

I've never understood this thing about people getting upset about their mothers or sisters being insulted. A guy in a bar in the US once said to me something along the lines of,

"Your mother, she ***ks ***ks in ****ing truckstops, man."

And I said,

"As you have very little idea who I am, and absolutely no idea about my mother, it seems really unlikely that that's anything more than a speculative punt on your part which, if untrue, is just silly, and if true is hardly something I'd argue with you about, but in either case, it's a bit irrelevant to the issue of whether or not I nudged your elbow as I walked past on my way to the restrooms, isn't it?"

He seemed a tad nonplussed by that response.

I'm guessing he then grabbed you by the scruff of the neck and challenged you to fisticuffs. You responded no doubt by dignifiedly brushing off your collar, smacking him with a leather glove and proposing a duel.

[stlukesguild]

"As you have very little idea who I am, and absolutely no idea about my mother, it seems really unlikely that that's anything more than a speculative punt on your part which, if untrue, is just silly, and if true is hardly something I'd argue with you about, but in either case, it's a bit irrelevant to the issue of whether or not I nudged your elbow as I walked past on my way to the restrooms, isn't it?"

He seemed a tad nonplussed by that response.

Yeah... you really put him in his place with that retort.:rolleyes:

Or he assumed you were gay.:smilewinkgrin:

[MarkBastable]

Or he assumed you were gay.:smilewinkgrin:

Many people do, especially Americans. I can't say it worries me much.

What would you have done if someone had said that to you? Or Darcy, what would you have done?

[OrphanPip]

The idea of the stay at home wife is itself a late 19th century middle class pretension. Most women at most points in history (with perhaps the notable exception of the 1950s and 60s in the west) have worked on top of being mothers anyway, because there was no way for the household to stay afloat otherwise. It's a fantasy that the wives of poor people sat around the house taking care of the children, in most cases they would either be doing piece work, working fields, or increasingly in the 19th century they might even be factory workers. The main difference was that women at that time could not gain long-term employment of any value, and most of their labour went unpaid since it was involved in the maintenance of the household and amounted to slave labour for their husband's benefit.

[Darcy88]

The idea of the stay at home wife is itself a late 19th century middle class pretension. Most women at most points in history (with perhaps the notable exception of the 1950s and 60s in the west) have worked on top of being mothers anyway, because there was no way for the household to stay afloat otherwise. It's a fantasy that the wives of poor people sat around the house taking care of the children, in most cases they would either be doing piece work, working fields, or increasingly in the 19th century they might even be factory workers. The main difference was that women at that time could not gain long-term employment of any value, and most of their labour went unpaid since it was involved in the maintenance of the household and amounted to slave labour for their husband's benefit.

My great-grandmother stayed at home. My grandmother stayed at home while her 4 daughters all got themselves careers. Maybe my family is out of the ordinary, I don't know.


most of their labour went unpaid since it was involved in the maintenance of the household and amounted to slave labour for their husband's benefit.

It was also for the benefit of their children. And its not exactly like my great-grandfather spent his long days in the mine lounging on a feather-bed being fanned and fed grapes.

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

All I really said was that men should respect women and regard them as special. And yes, my statement that "women may not be weak, but they will always be in need of good men to protect them from the bad, whether that means a brother or husband acting out of love or a cop just doing his job" is true and I don't see how it can be disputed.
How about because it isn't true? Women can protect themselves just fine. Mace, pepper spray, and, get this, they can even use guns. And here's another shocker--women can exercise and become physically fit and even take men in a fight! And (sit down for this one) there are many women cops. *gasp*


are capable of doing pretty much anything a man can do, and should be allowed to do whatever they want
Except protect themselves, right? They must find big, strong man to protect then.

Then at the opposite extreme you have a feminism which posits that whatever differences that exist between men and women are purely cultural and looks down with utmost disdain on those women who assume traditionally female roles and don't mind depending on a man to take care of them physically and financially.
The idea that differences between men and women are only cultural is structuralist feminism. The opossite, Essentialist feminism, argues that women are indeed born with inherent traits that make them a woman and different from men, and that those


The idea of the stay at home wife is itself a late 19th century middle class pretension. Most women at most points in history (with perhaps the notable exception of the 1950s and 60s in the west) have worked on top of being mothers anyway, because there was no way for the household to stay afloat otherwise. It's a fantasy that the wives of poor people sat around the house taking care of the children, in most cases they would either be doing piece work, working fields, or increasingly in the 19th century they might even be factory workers. The main difference was that women at that time could not gain long-term employment of any value, and most of their labour went unpaid since it was involved in the maintenance of the household and amounted to slave labour for their husband's benefit.

There is actually now more of a trend of working women looking down on women who decide to become stay-at-home moms. And it's not any better for stay-at-home dads, either.

[Sancho]

Zounds what a thread!

I think the key to swearing is that it’s meant to offend: The person swearing means to offend somebody, either directly or indirectly. And the offended person knows the swearer intended to offend him. And the swearer knows that the offended person knows that the swearer meant to offend…and so it goes. And you just can’t let that sheet slide.

True swearing is tailored to the audience. In certain circles the F-bomb has about as much heft as Zounds has with me. But then again, you can say just about anything to Sancho (the crass bastard), unless he happens to be standing there with his mother, in which case I’ll be forced to defend my mother’s honor by any means necessary.

[Darcy88]

How about because it isn't true? Women can protect themselves just fine. Mace, pepper spray, and, get this, they can even use guns. And here's another shocker--women can exercise and become physically fit and even take men in a fight! And (sit down for this one) there are many women cops. *gasp*

Except protect themselves, right? They must find big, strong man to protect then.


No, women rarely carry guns or mace while at a bar, a party, at school or walking a street. The average Canadian man outweighs the average woman by 40 pounds, well over double the difference between weight divisions in the ufc. I suppose it is sexist whenever I offer to walk a girl home at night. My neighbourhood is somewhat crime-ridden, I suppose I should be a good feminist and send any female visitors on their way alone.

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

No, women rarely carry guns or mace while at a bar, a party, at school or walking a street. The average Canadian man outweighs the average woman by 40 pounds. I suppose it is sexist whenever I offer to walk a girl home at night. My neighbourhood is somewhat crime-ridden, I suppose I should be a good feminist and send any female visitors on their way alone.
You made the claim that all women need the protection of men. That just isn't true. SOME women might, just as weaker men may need the protection of other men, or even women.

Plus, how do you know know women rarely carry mace? Maybe it's different in America, bug there are a lot of women who carry macs or tazers. But that's not really the point. The very fact that the can pokes holes in your claim that women need to be protected by men.

And there's a difference between being a sexist, feminist, and a decent human being, which I think walking woman home falls under. (There really is a straw-man epidemic going around on these boards.) That's being nice, not some sort of admission that you think women are weak. It's safe for two men to walk the streets than one man alone, after all.

[stlukesguild]

What would you have done if someone had said that to you? Or Darcy, what would you have done?

Considering that I'm over 6 ft. tall and over 250 lbs and often sport a rather surly-looking beard there aren't too many guys that would actually take the chance of saying something like that too me.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7203/6884566457_afbc62f5ec_z.jpg

My students on the other hand...? We'll they all know we can't touch 'em... We can't cuss at them. The best we can do is write their butts up for an office referral and call their mommas...

[Darcy88]

You made the claim that all women need the protection of men. That just isn't true. SOME women might, just as weaker men may need the protection of other men, or even women.

Plus, how do you know know women rarely carry mace? Maybe it's different in America, bug there are a lot of women who carry macs or tazers. But that's not really the point. The very fact that the can pokes holes in your claim that women need to be protected by men.

And there's a difference between being a sexist, feminist, and a decent human being, which I think walking woman home falls under. (There really is a straw-man epidemic going around on these boards.) That's being nice, not some sort of admission that you think women are weak. It's safe for two men to walk the streets than one man alone, after all.

If I had a female friend over I would not let her walk through my neighbourhood alone. A male friend I would not be very concerned. I don't see how this can be controversial. If you had twin 17 year olds, a son and a daughter, and you lived in a rough neighbourhood would you be equally wary of letting your daughter go for a walk after dark as you would be your son?

That original statement of mine you took issue with was an afterthought I added at the end. I did not mean it to stand as an absolute truth but rather as a generalization that in many circumstances holds.


That's being nice, not some sort of admission that you think women are weak.

I made sure to say that I didn't think women are weak, but keep in mind that the record women's bench press is 530 pounds while the men's is 1075.

Here is my original statement:
Furthermore, women may not be weak, but they will always be in need of good men to protect them from the bad, whether that means a brother or husband acting out of love or a cop just doing his job.

Throughout much of our history and even in many instances in our relatively safe and heavily policed western world that statement holds true. How many muggings or assaults or rapes of women might not have happened if that woman had not been walking some dark street alone. One happened not far from my town last Halloween, a young high school girl raped and murdered. I'm not so retarded I think women totally helpless and vulnerable if left to their own devices. But just think of a war-zone or a riot let alone any dark alley in any big city.

[Varenne Rodin]

I don't swear with the intention of offending someone. I do it once in a while to punctuate or add flare to a conversation. It's hilarious because I'm adorable.

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

This whole argument may have been avoided if the word "weak" wasn't used, Or misinterpreted, because it implies that women are inherently worse than men. I think maybe it would be more accurate to say that women (may) need more protection because they are often a target because they are [I]seen[/] as weak..

[Darcy88]

I said they are not weak. You misread it and I understand. My viewpoint is not savoury.

[BienvenuJDC]

I think that Darcy made a very logical point in this thread.

[Varenne Rodin]

I think there's good in both viewpoints. I consider myself a strong woman in many areas; mentally, creatively, even physically. I will never be some super mega muscle woman though. I've been vulnerable many times. I would never say that I need someone else to protect me, but it certainly isn't bad if someone wants to, and at times people have.

As for being offended by swearing, I don't think anyone should be. Perception is what gives weight to words. If you consider a word to be powerless, it is.

[BienvenuJDC]

As for being offended by swearing, I don't think anyone should be.

Actually, there is one word that will usually offend me. That word is 'retard'. I don't care for the incorrect use of the word 'retarded' used to imply stupid, because the word does not mean that. I have a sweet little girl that will probably never understand the intent of those words, but I will always understand what is meant by them.

[Darcy88]

I think that Darcy made a very logical point in this thread.

Thanks Bien. Its not fun arguing somewhat heatedly in multiple threads with multiple individuals both of whom I greatly respect.

[BienvenuJDC]

Thanks Bien. Its not fun arguing somewhat heatedly in multiple threads with multiple individuals both of whom I greatly respect.

Not to mention that the "bully" types will usually target women (and leave most men alone), based purely on their own perceptions that they are an easier target. Or sometimes an attractive woman may be targeted because of her beauty.

[Varenne Rodin]

Actually, there is one word that will usually offend me. That word is 'retard'. I don't care for the incorrect use of the word 'retarded' used to imply stupid, because the word does not mean that. I have a sweet little girl that will probably never understand the intent of those words, but I will always understand what is meant by them.

I understand that. Advocacy is one of the best things that humans do. Still, sometimes a person is better served by pitying and shunning bigots, rather than engaging them in discourse.

[BienvenuJDC]

I understand that. Advocacy is one of the best things that humans do. Still, sometimes a person is better served by pitying and shunning bigots, rather than engaging them in discourse.

Discourse nothing...I was thinking about knocking their block off...
:boxing_smiley:

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

Thanks Bien. Its not fun arguing somewhat heatedly in multiple threads with multiple individuals both of whom I greatly respect.

Really? I found it great fun. Don't mistake my sarcastic tone for anger or hostility, it's just me. I thought it was a pretty good back-and-forth, really.

[Alexander III]

Many people do, especially Americans. I can't say it worries me much.

What would you have done if someone had said that to you? Or Darcy, what would you have done?

Punched him, anything else is cowardice.

But thats just me, I value dignity and honor.

Another man may value not feeling pain over his dignity and honor. Thats fine too, but I don't like that mentality. That we are just flesh and bones and that honor is a ussless virtue. Ofcourse honor can lead to another extreem. Where every man who looks at you in a slightly suspicious way you attack them. But I would rather be mad than a coward.

[Sancho]

Punched him, anything else is cowardice.

But thats just me, I value dignity and honor.

Another man may value not feeling pain over his dignity and honor. Thats fine too, but I don't like that mentality. That we are just flesh and bones and that honor is a ussless virtue. Ofcourse honor can lead to another extreem. Where every man who looks at you in a slightly suspicious way you attack them. But I would rather be mad than a coward.

…or dead. Pistols at dawn!


Actually, there is one word that will usually offend me. That word is 'retard'. I don't care for the incorrect use of the word 'retarded' used to imply stupid, because the word does not mean that. I have a sweet little girl that will probably never understand the intent of those words, but I will always understand what is meant by them.

That’s exactly what I was talking about earlier. True swearing is meant to offend. It’s got nothing to do intrinsically with the word itself. Calling a stupid person a retard (or a sensitive fat girl a pig, or a black guy a monkey, or a gay guy a Twinkie) is meant to offend and therefore is swearing. But a bunch of young dudes hanging out, laughing and joking, and dropping the F-bomb every other word is not really swearing because nobody’s offended. Unless of course they’re standing next to a bunch of nuns, and they’ve gotta know that their language is offensive to nuns, and they’re using it anyway – well, then it’s swearing.

This is serious stuff. Alexander seems ready to defend his honor with physical violence – possibly even to the death if need be.

[MarkBastable]

Punched him....

Okay. But what would you have been punching him for?

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

Punched him, anything else is cowardice.

But thats just me, I value dignity and honor.

Well, I guess we have a pretty clear window into your view of homosexuals, don't we?

Plus, the tough guy act is laughable.

[MarkBastable]

Actually, there is one word that will usually offend me. That word is 'retard'.

As I go out of my way to make it plain that I disagree with you when that's the case, it seems only fair that I make the effort when I agree with you.

I agree with you.

[MarkBastable]

Considering that I'm over 6 ft. tall and over 250 lbs and often sport a rather surly-looking beard there aren't too many guys that would actually take the chance of saying something like that too me.


But, still, what would you have done?

[PoeticPassions]

sometimes swearing has a cathartic effect... or when I stub my toe, I usually swear.

I generally do not find most swear words that offensive... I think as an insult they are rather bland (well in English at least) and not so creative. I can be far more insulted by really clever comments that are meant to degrade me or subtle patronizing words... But I will add that I do find one word quite offensive, and I would never use it to describe a woman... and that is the word used for female genitalia starting with c and ending with nt.

[JuniperWoolf]

Alex and Darcy are taking what I said too much to heart, I'm not foaming-at-the-mouth and calling you insensitive condescending douchebags. I've known men who try chivalry with me, I consider them kind of cute and childish, I continue to present myself in the way I choose and they generally get the hint right away and stop trying to censor themselves. I honestly don't feel that strongly about this issue, talking to a woman with "chivalry" doesn't put me out, it puts you at a disadvantage because I can walk all over you (and I will, for the lol's). I simply prefer to make friends and lovers who are smart enough to see me for what I am and brave enough to behave accordingly.


I don't think its men looking on women as weak. Its respect. The two most important people in most men's lives are a man's mother and his wife. I may belong to a prior century but I lament the near total loss of chivalry. Women bring us into this world, give us life, and to live is to love and it is woman that we love most. No matter what cultural developments take place, all decent men will forever feel it imperative to protect the feminine and regard women as special. Furthermore, women may not be weak, but they will always be in need of good men to protect them from the bad, whether that means a brother or husband acting out of love or a cop just doing his job.

The number of female cops is sharply on the rise, and men need protection from the police as well. How many times have you actually physically defended a damsel in distress? That's not the modern world. Size and relative strength counts for very little in the modern age. Success depends on your brain, and safety depends on your gun.


My mother raised me to always behave like a gentleman, and treat women like princesses. At the end of the day there is not one woman in the world who does not wish to be treated princess, and the feminists tend to be the ones who were never treated with respect, and their rage is not directed towards men, but to other women, who are treated like princesses by men. It is all envy. I will concede that it is not equal, that is the point, for the man to show himself subservient towards the woman.

I don't like the feminist movement, because they pushed a law in the 1970's which entailed that cheerleading shouldn't be considered a sport and it passed. The reason why they don't want it to be a "sport" is because they don't want it to be officially recognized by the general public. They don't want girls to be seen as people who like dancing and looking pretty. The problem is, very many girls DO like dancing and looking pretty (dancing isn't for me, but I myself sure do like dressing up pretty) and all the feminist movement accomplished in making a law to inhibit cheerleading from being considered a "sport" is that funding for cheerleading safety regulation is now next to nil. Cheerleading is dangerous as **** and now it has a higher number of both serious and non-life threatening injuries than every other sport combined (look it up) because they don't even have trained safety staff or regulation mats to fall on, and have the head honchos of the feminist movement so much as batted an eye? No, they sure as **** haven't. They care more about the IMAGE of women suiting their own worldview, they want women to change to become what they want women to be. They don't care about the safety of REAL girls and women, that's literally ANTI-female. Don't call me a feminist.

Anyway, personal issues aside, I honestly don't want princess treatment, and I wouldn't be treated like a princess unless you have aspergers and can't pick up on communication cues in language, tone and facial expression. Talk to me for five minutes and you WILL pick up on my personality and adjust yourself accordingly, that's how human interaction works. Some women are different, some WANT to be coo-ed at and so they'd arrange your social interaction to pull that behavior out of you (which puts YOU at a huge disadvantage, if you want my opinion). You would come to learn very quickly through direct interaction with them that they expect you to be a "gentleman," and that's their choice (and your choice whether or not you follow their lead). They aren't the majority though, and neither am I. Most women probably don't even think about it, they're just being themselves. You can't expect all women to be exactly the same, or to be "mostly into being treated like a princess" or "mostly spit and curse like a sailor," we have personalities just like everyone else.


(except for your dislike of my favorite book :cryin:)

Well really, The Great Gatsby?!? It's so - no, no, I'll leave it alone...


but my husband would never use the c word because of these reasons;
he finds it disrespectful
he thinks it's inappropriate in ALL situations
He is also the most "feminist" man I know. He treats women as equals, he loves smart, funny women who can challenge him intellectually, many of his favorite poets, singers, songwriters are women. I could go on.
At the same time, he opens doors for me all the time, has me order first in a restaurant.
These are the reasons I married him, and the one clue to his character was that he is able to be friends with women.


My boyfriend is almost exactly the same way with the word "b*tch," and the rest of your description of your husband matches my boyfriend exactly. He thinks it will hurt my feelings. What's annoying is that he's right, it does hurt a little. That word, which has nothing to do with my anatomy or our sexual inclinations (like "slut" - I've had some great retorts to words like "slut" over the years, haha!), exists for the purpose of equating me with a dog, less than human because I have a vagina. There's no way to argue against it using a clever little thing that I can come back with that makes an accurate and precise counter-point. Still, I don't want anyone to ban or censor this word on my account. The existence of the word b*tch makes us stronger, as does everything which hurts. We are considered less than human by some people - better we're aware of that fact and try to change it through our own behavior than have daddy (or as more commonly the case, "big sister," ie. the feminist movement) strip that word from the English vocabulary so we can pretend that everything is "nice."


You see more male CEOs and surgeons and politicians not only because of bias against women (which I believe is definitely out there and a significant contributor to the phenomenon) but because not all women hold up professional success up as the ultimate goal while that is precisely the case with most men. The current state of affairs, where a woman can choose to be independent or dependent, can look at a female Secretary of State, head of the IMF or German Chancellor and think "I can do anything I want," while still knowing she has the option of marrying, having children and making a home, to me that's a fine circumstance.


It's also TIME. The way you think, that women and men are intellectually equal, is the purveying opinion in today's world and that puts women in a great position to succeed (and they're acting on it) for which I'll always be greatful towards pre-1960's feminists and sufferegettes. This wasn't the way of the world before they fought and won our social and professional liberty. Most CEOs ect. were just starting out roughly forty years ago. They're at the top after decades of work. Forty years ago, women weren't starting with the intention of being on top, so you can't expect them to be at the top yet, not today, they haven't put in the time. We're just STARTING within the last few decades, at the bottom, with the other men who are starting today, in this atmosphere of gender intellectual and professional equality. Give it another forty years, another few decades of struggle and work and promotion for the people who are at the bottom in professional fields TODAY, and you'll see that those women who are starting out will, in the future, hold a greater chunk of the upper-tier jobs.


I don't swear with the intention of offending someone. I do it once in a while to punctuate or add flare to a conversation. It's hilarious because I'm adorable.

:smilielol5: I’m liking you more and more.


I said they are not weak. You misread it and I understand. My viewpoint is not savoury.

Your point is that we’re small and people like to rape us. That's true, that’s just biology, denying facts only ends up screwing us in the end (no pun intended). However, your conclusion that our smallness requires large people around to protect us from being raped is flawed: depending on "chivalry" to protect you is for suckers, it's unreliable at best. You don't really know a person until you're in a scary situation with them. If I'm jumped by a gang in an ally, the coward I'm with is liable to run away. I wouldn’t travel without a gun, this is 2012. Tech, my friend.

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

I don't like the feminist movement, because they pushed a law in the 1970's which entailed that cheerleading shouldn't be considered a sport and it passed. The reason why they don't want it to be a "sport" is because they don't want it to be officially recognized by the general public. They don't want girls to be seen as people who like dancing and looking pretty. The problem is, very many girls DO like dancing and looking pretty (dancing isn't for me, but I myself sure do like dressing up pretty) and all the feminist movement accomplished in making a law to inhibit cheerleading from being considered a "sport" is that funding for cheerleading safety regulation is now next to nil. Cheerleading is dangerous as **** and now it has a higher number of both serious and non-life threatening injuries than every other sport combined (look it up) because they don't even have trained safety staff or regulation mats to fall on, and have the head honchos of the feminist movement so much as batted an eye? No, they sure as **** haven't. They care more about the IMAGE of women suiting their own worldview, they want women to change to become what they want women to be. They don't care about the safety of REAL girls and women, that's literally ANTI-female. Don't call me a feminist.


Again, this is just one type of feminist viewpoint, the structuralist kind. It's not representative of ALL feminist ideology. It sounds to me like you, as most people are, her pretty much in sync with essentialist feminism, which posits that women do have inherit, biological based traits that make women what they are--such as that love of dressing up and looking pretty. Essentialist feminism argues that women should embrace their differences from men and find empowerment through those differences. Structuralist feminism, which seems to be largely comprised of lesbians, argues differently. And, not surprisingly, the seem to be much, much louder than essentialist feminists.

I used to think the same way, that all feminists think the way you describe above, but I'm taking a class based on feminist theory, and now realize that, like most things, it's more complicated.

I don't swear with the intention of offending someone. I do it once in a while to punctuate or add flare to a conversation. It's hilarious because I'm adorable.
I can't be the only one wanting to see pictures of Varenne. Her profile picture is plenty cute, but I wants more! Enough teasing with comments referring to your perfect breasts and adorability. As they say on the internets, pics or it didn't happen!

[Emil Miller]

[QUOTE]Enough teasing with comments referring to your perfect breasts and adorability. As they say on the internets, pics or it didn't happen!

You seem to have an obsession with breasts lately, so how about these?


http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/3108/thiswomanhaslargebreast.jpg

[Sancho]

Whoa! I'll bet her back hurts.


I don't swear with the intention of offending someone. I do it once in a while to punctuate or add flare to a conversation. It's hilarious because I'm adorable.

I suppose I’m giving Swear the relatively narrow definition of an Invective or a Vituperation. The type of swearing, or profane speech, that you’re talking about I think of as cussing – a sort of punctuation mark. And you’re right, it can be fun, and as somebody else mentioned: stress relieving - just so long as you’re not doing it next to a bunch of nuns, or a playground, or something.

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

[QUOTE=Mutatis-Mutandi;1115804]



You seem to have an obsession with breasts lately, so how about these?


http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/3108/thiswomanhaslargebreast.jpg

I'd bop those things like I was Sugar Ray Leonard.

[JuniperWoolf]

I've had a strange phobia of fake boobs ever since I saw China's pop when I was a kid (the wrestler, she jumped off the top rope or something, I can't remember). Ever since then, it's only been real-boob porn for me, because in my world A FAKE ONE COULD BURST AT ANY MINUTE AND SPRAY EVERYONE WITH BLOOD AND FATTY TISSUE AND SYNTHETIC JELLY!

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwb3p6T09v1qzaxefo1_500.jpg

[Darcy88]

Alex and Darcy are taking what I said too much to heart, I'm not foaming-at-the-mouth and calling you insensitive condescending douchebags. I've known men who try chivalry with me, I consider them kind of cute and childish, I continue to present myself in the way I choose and they generally get the hint right away and stop trying to censor themselves. I honestly don't feel that strongly about this issue, talking to a woman with "chivalry" doesn't put me out, it puts you at a disadvantage because I can walk all over you (and I will, for the lol's). I simply prefer to make friends and lovers who are smart enough to see me for what I am and brave enough to behave accordingly.

Anyway, personal issues aside, I honestly don't want princess treatment, and I wouldn't be treated like a princess unless you have aspergers and can't pick up on communication cues in language, tone and facial expression. Talk to me for five minutes and you WILL pick up on my personality and adjust yourself accordingly, that's how human interaction works. Some women are different, some WANT to be coo-ed at and so they'd arrange your social interaction to pull that behavior out of you (which puts YOU at a huge disadvantage, if you want my opinion). You would come to learn very quickly through direct interaction with them that they expect you to be a "gentleman," and that's their choice (and your choice whether or not you follow their lead). They aren't the majority though, and neither am I. Most women probably don't even think about it, they're just being themselves. You can't expect all women to be exactly the same, or to be "mostly into being treated like a princess" or "mostly spit and curse like a sailor," we have personalities just like everyone else.


Well when it comes to female friends I do that and match my behaviour to what they want, which is often to be treated just like a guy. But I still won't say the c word around them nor will I insult them the way my male friends and I break each other's balls. I don't treat them like crowned queens but I still treat them a little differently, perhaps better, than I would if they were male. My statement earlier about princesses might have been hyperbole, but I still think a man should have two standards of conduct around each gender, but without taking it too far.

I also sort of see now why some women might interpret excessive chivalry on a man's part to mean that he considers women weak, in need of sheltering. I can put myself in a woman's shoes and imagine such treatment making me feel like I'm regarded as a child. And I've dated girls who would only let me pay for dinner after my repeated imploring protest. I think the latter is due to the fact that so many men are douche bags a lot of women don't want to feel dependent on them.

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

I've had a strange phobia of fake boobs ever since I saw China's pop when I was a kid (the wrestler, she jumped off the top rope or something, I can't remember). Ever since then, it's only been real-boob porn for me, because in my world A FAKE ONE COULD BURST AT ANY MINUTE AND SPRAY EVERYONE WITH BLOOD AND FATTY TISSUE AND SYNTHETIC JELLY!

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwb3p6T09v1qzaxefo1_500.jpg

I can't stand fake boobs (the reply to Emil was a joke, in case some don't pick up on that). They just look weird. I've yet to see a pair that doesn't look like two stiff, hard, immovable balloons. I'll take a flat chest any day.

[Darcy88]

Again, this is just one type of feminist viewpoint, the structuralist kind. It's not representative of ALL feminist ideology. It sounds to me like you, as most people are, her pretty much in sync with essentialist feminism, which posits that women do have inherit, biological based traits that make women what they are--such as that love of dressing up and looking pretty. Essentialist feminism argues that women should embrace their differences from men and find empowerment through those differences. Structuralist feminism, which seems to be largely comprised of lesbians, argues differently. And, not surprisingly, the seem to be much, much louder than essentialist feminists.


I didn't know that. The feminism I so often encounter is what you label "structuralist." This "essentialist feminism" seems to accord rather closely to my own beliefs. Funny, I thought I was an anti-feminist but I guess I'm just a feminist of a certain kind.

[JuniperWoolf]

I didn't know that. The feminism I so often encounter is what you label "structuralist." This "essentialist feminism" seems to accord rather closely to my own beliefs. Funny, I thought I was an anti-feminist but I guess I'm just a feminist of a certain kind.

Ditto.

[Alexander III]

Well, I guess we have a pretty clear window into your view of homosexuals, don't we?

Plus, the tough guy act is laughable.

I have always been pro-gay. The fact that you equate homosexuality and efeminacy speaks more about the hillbilly stereotypes you are acustomed to than anything else.





Anyway, personal issues aside, I honestly don't want princess treatment, and I wouldn't be treated like a princess unless you have aspergers and can't pick up on communication cues in language, tone and facial expression. Talk to me for five minutes and you WILL pick up on my personality and adjust yourself accordingly, that's how human interaction works. Some women are different, some WANT to be coo-ed at and so they'd arrange your social interaction to pull that behavior out of you (which puts YOU at a huge disadvantage, if you want my opinion). You would come to learn very quickly through direct interaction with them that they expect you to be a "gentleman," and that's their choice (and your choice whether or not you follow their lead). They aren't the majority though, and neither am I. Most women probably don't even think about it, they're just being themselves. You can't expect all women to be exactly the same, or to be "mostly into being treated like a princess" or "mostly spit and curse like a sailor," we have personalities just like everyone else.


Ok, look, you have to realize that you are an abnormal female, you deviate from norm. Yes you may not be like that, but the majority of girls do like that. Heck the majority of guys would like that too, why do you think waitresses and such always flirt, because men just like women enjoy being validated, enjoy being treated as if they were princess and princes. Waitress makes guy feel like a handsome movie star, guy will tip. Guy makes girl feel like princess she will be more favorable to him.

We come from very different worlds. The girls you know are rougher than the norm and the girls I know are more demanding than the norm. But the majority of girls enjoy being treated as if they were the center of the universe. That is human nature.

But I guese we all adapt to our environments. Like amongst the jersey shore people, gals will screw the man who treats them like a douchebag. Ergo men learn to behave like douchebags in order to get women. But when you no longer look at an isolated peice of humanity, but rather the whole. When a girl has the option of being treated like a pal, or being treated like the center of the universe - the majority will always pick the latter.

[Varenne Rodin]

I can't be the only one wanting to see pictures of Varenne. Her profile picture is plenty cute, but I wants more! Enough teasing with comments referring to your perfect breasts and adorability. As they say on the internets, pics or it didn't happen!

Haha. I don't feel the need to prove anything, but I've been meaning to post more pictures. I'm not some breast flasher, so no one should get their hopes up. Scarlett Johansson is pretty much my boob twin (I think mine are better). For comic-con dress up purposes, I'm very lucky to be stacked like a marvel girl. I only brag because I'm very impressed with myself.

[Alexander III]

I can't be the only one wanting to see pictures of Varenne. Her profile picture is plenty cute, but I wants more! Enough teasing with comments referring to your perfect breasts and adorability. As they say on the internets, pics or it didn't happen!

See Juniper, human nature, how can you expect us to treat you as equall when quite clearly we cannot percieve you as them.

Had I continoual made references to my perfect abbs or amazing biceps or enormous pennis (none of which I posses) - none of the females on the forum would have ever even thought of asking for pictures, not even in a sarcastic manner as muttis. But the sarcasm betrayes the truth.

Men are sexually possesive, you cant ask a man to behave as women were equall when there is his pennis, which has a large influence upon his barin, which views you as little more than cattle, to posses and then boast about.

So either we treat you as inferiors, or as superiors. But as equalls, that is just against our nature, any more than a farmer could treat his pig as an equall. Tis cruel to say, but tis also true to man's way.

[Varenne Rodin]

I've had a strange phobia of fake boobs ever since I saw China's pop when I was a kid (the wrestler, she jumped off the top rope or something, I can't remember). Ever since then, it's only been real-boob porn for me, because in my world A FAKE ONE COULD BURST AT ANY MINUTE AND SPRAY EVERYONE WITH BLOOD AND FATTY TISSUE AND SYNTHETIC JELLY!


Hahaha. I had the same reaction! Gross! I recently read about some woman's fake boob falling down underneath her rib cage while she was running a marathon. Frankenstein needs to go back to the drawing board. Real tits for the win.

I like you too, Juniper. You're pretty swell. :D

[Varenne Rodin]

See Juniper, human nature, how can you expect us to treat you as equall when quite clearly we cannot percieve you as them.

Had I continoual made references to my perfect abbs or amazing biceps or enormous pennis (none of which I posses) - none of the females on the forum would have ever even thought of asking for pictures, not even in a sarcastic manner as muttis. But the sarcasm betrayes the truth.

Men are sexually possesive, you cant ask a man to behave as women were equall when there is his pennis, which has a large influence upon his barin, which views you as little more than cattle, to posses and then boast about.

So either we treat you as inferiors, or as superiors. But as equalls, that is just against our nature, any more than a farmer could treat his pig as an equall. Tis cruel to say, but tis also true to man's way.

It's hilarious that my mention of my breasts on some other thread, for comedic purposes, has now become part of a debate on how men should or shouldn't treat women. Please don't base too much on me and my interactions with pals here, ladies and gents. I'm atypical. A lot of my comments are nonsensical throw-aways, for fun.

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

I have always been pro-gay. The fact that you equate homosexuality and efeminacy speaks more about the hillbilly stereotypes you are acustomed to than anything else.
:lol: What hillbilly stereotype would that be.

Mark asked what would you do if someone assumed you were gay. You said you'd punch him for the great insult to your dignity. He didn't ask what would you do if someone thought you were feminine. So, I figured if you could get so offended by someone assuming you were gay, that doesn't seem to say much about gay people from your point of view. If I misinterpreted, my apologies.


Haha. I don't feel the need to prove anything, but I've been meaning to post more pictures. I'm not some breast flasher, so no one should get their hopes up. Scarlett Johansson is pretty much my boob twin (I think mine are better). For comic-con dress up purposes, I'm very lucky to be stacked like a marvel girl. I only brag because I'm very impressed with myself.
Pics for proof, or it ain't true! :lol:

(I don't expect nudie pics, btw . . . though I'm not going to protest.)

[Alexander III]

:lol: What hillbilly stereotype would that be.

Mark asked what would you do if someone assumed you were gay. You said you'd punch him for the great insult to your dignity. He didn't ask what would you do if someone thought you were feminine. So, I figured if you could get so offended by someone assuming you were gay, that doesn't seem to say much about gay people from your point of view. If I misinterpreted, my apologies.


Pics for proof, or it ain't true! :lol:

(I don't expect nudie pics, btw . . . though I'm not going to protest.)

hahahaha woops, I got muddled with all the posts and thought Mark had said what would you do if someone insulted your mother, not if someone had called you gay. Two completley different levels of insult. My bad.

But I would still punch him in the face if he began mocking me under the assumption that I was gay.

[JuniperWoolf]

See Juniper, human nature, how can you expect us to treat you as equall when quite clearly we cannot percieve you as them.

Had I continoual made references to my perfect abbs or amazing biceps or enormous pennis (none of which I posses) - none of the females on the forum would have ever even thought of asking for pictures, not even in a sarcastic manner as muttis. But the sarcasm betrayes the truth.

Men are sexually possesive, you cant ask a man to behave as women were equall when there is his pennis, which has a large influence upon his barin, which views you as little more than cattle, to posses and then boast about.

So either we treat you as inferiors, or as superiors. But as equalls, that is just against our nature, any more than a farmer could treat his pig as an equall. Tis cruel to say, but tis also true to man's way.

...Did you just imply that men have sex with pigs?

I never said anything about equality, all I want is the ability to compete (which is something we can do now which we couldn't do before). "Equality" is just a buzz word.

It's true that it seems like men in general desire women far more than women in general desire men (that's another reason why I've always thought that there might be something wrong with me in terms of gender). I don't know why (actually that's not true, I could spit some evolutionary theory but that would completely derail the thread), but it definately gives women power over you. This common male obsession seems to make many men weak. I have friends who make men practically crawl though glass with nary a promise, and then they walk away and he thanks her for it. In fact, I'm not proud of it but I've banked on my looks to get out of trouble (hey, it was A LOT of trouble, if I can get out of it in any way, I'm going to). It was easy, and the poor schluck who should have gotten off scott-free was completely screwed. The sexual obsession of many males makes them putty, which is why I have never dated a slathering idiot. I have no time for people who are subservient.

Anyway, that's only within one social context (the one in which you're seeking a female to copulate with). Once I've spent enough time with a male, even the most desperate calms down eventually and his interaction with me becomes more real once I've proven myself an adequate conversationalist. Don't you have any females who you've hung out with long enough to become honest with? Maybe it's just because you're not coupled with anyone. People who don't have mates usually are a bit more desperate.

Incidentally Alex, I wouldn't mind seeing a picture of you.

[Varenne Rodin]

...Did you just imply that men have sex with pigs?

I never said anything about equality, all I want is the ability to compete (which is something we can do now which we couldn't do before). "Equality" is just a buzz word.

It's true that it seems like men in general desire women far more than women in general desire men (that's another reason why I've always thought that there might be something wrong with me in terms of gender). I don't know why (actually that's not true, I could spit some evolutionary theory but that would completely derail the thread), but it definately gives women power over you. This common male obsession seems to make many men weak. I have friends who make men practically crawl though glass with nary a promise, and then they walk away and he thanks her for it. In fact, I'm not proud of it but I've banked on my looks to get out of trouble (hey, it was A LOT of trouble, if I can get out of it in any way, I'm going to). It was easy, and the poor schluck who should have gotten off scott-free was completely screwed. The sexual obsession of many males makes them putty, which is why I have never dated a slathering idiot. I have no time for people who are subservient.

Anyway, that's only within one social context (the one in which you're seeking a female to copulate with). Once I've spent enough time with a male, even the most desperate calms down eventually and his interaction with me becomes more real once I've proven myself an adequate conversationalist. Don't you have any females who you've hung out with long enough to become honest with? Maybe it's just because you're not coupled with anyone. People who don't have mates usually are a bit more desperate.

Haha. I hope I never make you mad, or maybe it would be fun. Either way, formidable.

[JuniperWoolf]

Haha. I hope I never make you mad, or maybe it would be fun. Either way, formidable.

:D *takes another bow*

[MarkBastable]

Whoa, hang on there, Norman B.


hahahaha woops, I got muddled with all the posts and thought Mark had said what would you do if someone insulted your mother

Yeah, I did.

My question was, if someone utters an unflattering sentence with the word 'mother' in it, why do you feel compelled to punch them?

Let's try an experiment. Copy and paste the next few lines, and put in an exclamation mark at the point at which you feel punching would be necessary.

Your mother is not very good at basketball.

Your mother is personally responsible for the collapse of the European banking system.

Your mother makes lousy lasagne.

Your mother is a whore.

Somewhere in there, you tell us, your feelings of 'dignity and honour' kick in. Where, I wonder, and why?



...not if someone had called you gay. Two completley different levels of insult. My bad.

But I would still punch him in the face if he began mocking me under the assumption that I was gay.

As you've brought it up - what's insulting about being called gay?

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

hahahaha woops, I got muddled with all the posts and thought Mark had said what would you do if someone insulted your mother, not if someone had called you gay. Two completley different levels of insult. My bad.

But I would still punch him in the face if he began mocking me under the assumption that I was gay.

Oh, okay. That makes much more sense.



As you've brought it up - what's insulting about being called gay?
Just for clarification, Alex said he would be insulting is someone started mocking him because they thought he was gay, which I think is fair, because in that case, you're just dealing with a prejudiced a-hole.

[Alexander III]

Whoa, hang on there, Norman B.



Yeah, I did.

My question was, if someone utters an unflattering sentence with the word 'mother' in it, why do you feel compelled to punch them?

Let's try an experiment. Copy and paste the next few lines, and put in an exclamation mark at the point at which you feel punching would be necessary.

Your mother is not very good at basketball.

Your mother is personally responsible for the collapse of the European banking system.

Your mother makes lousy lasagne.

Your mother is a whore.

Somewhere in there, you tell us, your feelings of 'dignity and honour' kick in. Where, I wonder, and why?




As you've brought it up - what's insulting about being called gay?


Ok wait, so if I hypotheticaly was in a bar with you, and there was a fuss, and I said " Your mother is a whore" - your reaction to that is "Well, I have such a pretty face, I wouldn't want to risk getting it damaged, so sure call my mother a whore all you want"

[MarkBastable]

Ok wait, so if I hypotheticaly was in a bar with you, and there was a fuss, and I said " Your mother is a whore" - your reaction to that is "Well, I have such a pretty face, I wouldn't want to risk getting it damaged, so sure call my mother a whore all you want"

No, my reaction would be "As you know nothing about my mother, I can't see why I should consider anything you say about her."

Now - as I've answered your question, please answer mine. Both of mine, preferably.

[KCurtis]

I don't swear with the intention of offending someone. I do it once in a while to punctuate or add flare to a conversation. It's hilarious because I'm adorable.
I used to be adorable. But since I've had so many of these :bday_2: I am no longer. :cryin:

[Alexander III]

No, my reaction would be "As you know nothing about my mother, I can't see why I should consider anything you say about her."

Now - as I've answered your question, please answer mine. Both of mine, preferably.

Your answer, tells me one thing. That in this circumstance I will never be able to understand you and you never shall understand me.

As to the gay one, Mutatis actualy answered very well for me.

[MarkBastable]

Your answer, tells me one thing. That in this circumstance I will never be able to understand you and you never shall understand me.



Even so - please answer the question.

[KCurtis]

Many people do, especially Americans. I can't say it worries me much.

What would you have done if someone had said that to you? Or Darcy, what would you have done?
I wonder why this is? Just curious as an American.

[Alexander III]

Even so - please answer the question.

Hw can I explain dignity to a man whom in my eyes has show to have very little?

It would be like explaining love to someone who has never been in love. Sometimes one must learn which battles are worth fighting and which are just a waste of time and patience.

[stlukesguild]

I don't swear with the intention of offending someone. I do it once in a while to punctuate or add flare to a conversation. It's hilarious because I'm adorable.

I have rarely ever sworn at someone... outside of rush-hour traffic:smilewinkgrin:. Rather I swear at inanimate things: the computer, the painting I'm working on, my shoes, the television. The closest I get to swearing at someone is at the moronic politicians and political commentators or the ignorant administrators and political figures than have F***-ed up public education.

The funniest use of profanity I have experienced involved a student I went to college with. He was Chinese, still struggling with the language... and incredibly naive... innocent, even. He never drank, smoked, talked about girls (let alone dating any) or swore. After not seeing him for some few years we met up again. There were a group of us who had known him from his college days and for some reason he became upset over something and let loose with a stream of every possible variant on the F-word. It had virtually become his sole adjective and adverb... and we could not help but burst forth laughing. It was as if Shirley Temple had shown up years later in a porno film yelling, "Lay some pipe, big daddy!)

[KCurtis]

I've had a strange phobia of fake boobs ever since I saw China's pop when I was a kid (the wrestler, she jumped off the top rope or something, I can't remember). Ever since then, it's only been real-boob porn for me, because in my world A FAKE ONE COULD BURST AT ANY MINUTE AND SPRAY EVERYONE WITH BLOOD AND FATTY TISSUE AND SYNTHETIC JELLY!

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwb3p6T09v1qzaxefo1_500.jpg
:puke: :lol: Did you hear about the woman who was stabbed and her breast implant saved her life?
That woman in the picture could be shot many times I bet.

[Varenne Rodin]

I used to be adorable. But since I've had so many of these :bday_2: I am no longer. :cryin:

Maybe you are! I intend to be adorable in middle and older age too, like Maggie Smith. From the inside out. :)

[MarkBastable]

I wonder why this is? Just curious as an American.

Well, it's partly accent. Because of my background and upbringing, my accent veers all over the place, but to an American I sound like Hugh Grant, which is acceptable as straight in the movies apparently, but in real life is considerered kinda queer. Also, my hair's longer than most American men my age wear it, but not so long that I can be written off as a hippy, so that's another indicator of gayness. On top of which, I'm just louche in a lazy sort of gangly way that reminds Americans of chiffon.

I was playing poker in a casino in Atlantic City, with a whole bunch of New Jersey rollers who were not that friendly towards me. A waitress came by with a tray bearing drinks ordered earlier from another waitress, and she stood there a moment waiting for the round to end.

I said to the guy left in the hand with me, "I'll see you."

And he said, "Jacks and Fours."

I flipped my cards and said, "Trip fives. Sorry. I made them on the river. Just very lucky."

And the waitress said, "You're the Bloody Mary, right?"

Scooping up my chips, I looked over my shoulder and said, "Having heard me speak, you're working on the principle that all Brits are fags, aren't you?"

And she said, "No - really - I...uh..."

And I said, "It's okay. You're right about the Bloody Mary. The fag thing - I hesitate to protest either way."

After which, everyone at the table seemed much more relaxed about me.

[MarkBastable]

Hw can I explain dignity to a man whom in my eyes has show to have very little?

It would be like explaining love to someone who has never been in love. Sometimes one must learn which battles are worth fighting and which are just a waste of time and patience.

I'm not asking you to explain. I'm asking you to do the experiment I laid out.

[Alexander III]

I'm not asking you to explain. I'm asking you to do the experiment I laid out.

What experiment?

[KCurtis]

Well, it's partly accent. Because of my background and upbringing, my accent veers all over the place, but to an American I sound like Hugh Grant, which is acceptable as straight in the movies apparently, but in real life is considerered kinda queer. Also, my hair's longer than most American men my age wear it, but not so long that I can be written off as a hippy, so that's another indicator of gayness. On top of which, I'm just louche in a lazy sort of gangly way that reminds Americans of chiffon.

I was playing poker in a casino in Atlantic City, with a whole bunch of New Jersey rollers who were not that friendly towards me. A waitress came by with a tray bearing drinks ordered earlier from another waitress, and she stood there a moment waiting for the round to end.

I said to the guy left in the hand with me, "I'll see you."

And he said, "Jacks and Fours."

I flipped my cards and said, "Trip fives. Sorry. I made them on the river. Just very lucky."

And the waitress said, "You're the Bloody Mary, right?"

Scooping up my chips, I looked over my shoulder and said, "Having heard me speak, you're working on the principle that all Brits are fags, aren't you?"

And she said, "No - really - I...uh..."

And I said, "It's okay. You're right about the Bloody Mary. The fag thing - I hesitate to protest either way."

After which, everyone at the table seemed much more relaxed about me.
That's pretty funny, but I am an unassuming American. I like to consider myself more worldly than those you met.

[KCurtis]

Yes. I don't see what is wrong with that. I don't curse at women, haven't in years. I don't hit women, never have. I've cursed at a lot of men and hit a number of them in my time.

If a man called your sister a whore you would have words for him and might go so far as to hit him. If a woman said something nasty about your brother not only would you not strike her, you probably wouldn't even cuss her out.

Ofcourse there are differences among men and women that make us behave differently towards each other, these are those examples.

[MarkBastable]

What experiment?

I've said it before, and it remains true - you skim posts, and don't really process them before you reply.

However, I'll post it again...


Let's try an experiment. Copy and paste the next few lines, and put in an exclamation mark at the point at which you feel punching would be necessary.

Your mother is not very good at basketball.

Your mother is personally responsible for the collapse of the European banking system.

Your mother makes lousy lasagne.

Your mother is a whore.

Somewhere in there, you tell us, your feelings of 'dignity and honour' kick in. Where, I wonder, and why?

[KCurtis]

I don't like the feminist movement, because they pushed a law in the 1970's which entailed that cheerleading shouldn't be considered a sport and it passed. The reason why they don't want it to be a "sport" is because they don't want it to be officially recognized by the general public. They don't want girls to be seen as people who like dancing and looking pretty. The problem is, very many girls DO like dancing and looking pretty (dancing isn't for me, but I myself sure do like dressing up pretty) and all the feminist movement accomplished in making a law to inhibit cheerleading from being considered a "sport" is that funding for cheerleading safety regulation is now next to nil. Cheerleading is dangerous as **** and now it has a higher number of both serious and non-life threatening injuries than every other sport combined (look it up) because they don't even have trained safety staff or regulation mats to fall on, and have the head honchos of the feminist movement so much as batted an eye? No, they sure as **** haven't. They care more about the IMAGE of women suiting their own worldview, they want women to change to become what they want women to be. They don't care about the safety of REAL girls and women, that's literally ANTI-female. Don't call me a feminist.
.

I agree about the feminist movement. Now it seems you have to have their one view or you are not a feminist at all. For me, this was most clear when I chose to stay home with my son (I worked two days a week). Others, including men, looked down on this. People still do. Why? Because women are supposed to be able to "have it all". And if there are women who don't think that career and motherhood hold equal value, well, you're anti-feminist. Nothing is farther from the truth. When I stayed home and cared for our son, my husband considered that work. He never came home and said "what did you do today?"
I don't even want to state that I am a feminist, as it may imply some assumptions I don't want people to have.

[stlukesguild]

You seem to have an obsession with breasts lately, so how about these?

http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/3108/thiswomanhaslargebreast.jpg

Emil... allow me to be the first to inform you that those are not "perfect" breasts. :crazy:

By the way... am I the first one to sense a degree of Schizophrenia in you obsession with petite, young, Chinese girls and watermelon breasts?

[stlukesguild]

No, my reaction would be "As you know nothing about my mother, I can't see why I should consider anything you say about her."

Now - as I've answered your question, please answer mine. Both of mine, preferably.

So what, then, do you do if someone who does know your mother makes the same insulting comment? Or what if the individual replies, "Au contraire! But I do know your mother. Intimately. I f***-ed her last night. And she most certainly was a whore."?

[BienvenuJDC]

Well, it's partly accent. Because of my background and upbringing, my accent veers all over the place, but to an American I sound like Hugh Grant, which is acceptable as straight in the movies apparently, but in real life is considerered kinda queer. Also, my hair's longer than most American men my age wear it, but not so long that I can be written off as a hippy, so that's another indicator of gayness. On top of which, I'm just louche in a lazy sort of gangly way that reminds Americans of chiffon.

I was playing poker in a casino in Atlantic City, with a whole bunch of New Jersey rollers who were not that friendly towards me. A waitress came by with a tray bearing drinks ordered earlier from another waitress, and she stood there a moment waiting for the round to end.

I said to the guy left in the hand with me, "I'll see you."

And he said, "Jacks and Fours."

I flipped my cards and said, "Trip fives. Sorry. I made them on the river. Just very lucky."

And the waitress said, "You're the Bloody Mary, right?"

Scooping up my chips, I looked over my shoulder and said, "Having heard me speak, you're working on the principle that all Brits are fags, aren't you?"

And she said, "No - really - I...uh..."

And I said, "It's okay. You're right about the Bloody Mary. The fag thing - I hesitate to protest either way."

After which, everyone at the table seemed much more relaxed about me.

Amusingly witty of you.

[MarkBastable]

No, my reaction would be "As you know nothing about my mother, I can't see why I should consider anything you say about her."

Now - as I've answered your question, please answer mine. Both of mine, preferably.

So what, then, do you do if someone who does know your mother makes the same insulting comment? Or what if the individual replies, "Au contraire! But I do know your mother. Intimately. I f***-ed her last night. And she most certainly was a whore."?

I'd say, "That's very silly. Come on - what's really upset you?"

But - okay let's agree that I have no honour and no diginity. Fine. What I'm trying to find out here is in what way Alexander's honour is impugned by someone saying a bad sentence with the word 'mother' in it. Hence the little experiment.

[Alexander III]

I'd say, "That's very silly. Come on - what's really upset you?"

But - okay let's agree that I have no honour and no diginity. Fine. What I'm trying to find out here is in what way Alexander's honour is impugned by someone saying a bad sentence with the word 'mother' in it. Hence the little experiment.

Ok I see your point, the thing is, the word mother is not just a word -it is a way of insulting a man to his core.

You see, if I called you a c.u.n.t - I would be trying to offend you.

I I said your mother is a whore - not only would I be trying to offend you, but I would touching something very deep - something beyond myself, yet more important that myself. The same is applicable to your spouse or daughter or mother. I don't know quite well how to explain it truly, I am Italian, for us a mother is sacred. From the workers to the bourgoise to the agnelli's - the mother is sacred.

As for your experiment, the only one there which is insulting is the last one. Unless of course my mother was Merkel, in which case the last one and the EU one would be offensive. But I would have hoped that you intended that as rethorical, as I do quite hope you can tell the difference between me saying your mother can't cook in jest, or me saying your mother is a whore. not so much in jest.


The way i see it, someone calling my mother a whore has nothing to do with my honor. It is what I do which affect my honor. Honor is self-respect - It is about doing that which will let you reach the end of your days and say I did it right. Cowardice is one of the things which I detest most, don't know why, but for me courage is the chief virtue. It is courage which differntiates between existance and life. But **** im 19. AT my age I have only ever behaved with courage. I suppose by your age the majority of people have so many cowardly acts under their belt that they begin to view courage as a lesser virtue, and cowardice as normal - in order to still see themselves with their self-respect.

[MarkBastable]

Ok I see your point, the thing is, the word mother is not just a word -it is a way of insulting a man to his core.

You see, if I called you a c.u.n.t - I would be trying to offend you.

I I said your mother is a whore - not only would I be trying to offend you, but I would touching something very deep - something beyond myself, yet more important that myself. The same is applicable to your spouse or daughter or mother. I don't know quite well how to explain it truly, I am Italian, for us a mother is sacred. From the workers to the bourgoise to the agnelli's - the mother is sacred.

As for your experiment, the only one there which is insulting is the last one. Unless of course my mother was Merkel, in which case the last one and the EU one would be offensive. But I would have hoped that you intended that as rethorical, as I do quite hope you can tell the difference between me saying your mother can't cook in jest, or me saying your mother is a whore. not so much in jest.


The way i see it, someone calling my mother a whore has nothing to do with my honor. It is what I do which affect my honor. Honor is self-respect - It is about doing that which will let you reach the end of your days and say I did it right. Cowardice is one of the things which I detest most, don't know why, but for me courage is the chief virtue. It is courage which differntiates between existance and life. But **** im 19. AT my age I have only ever behaved with courage. I suppose by your age the majority of people have so many cowardly acts under their belt that they begin to view courage as a lesser virtue, and cowardice as normal - in order to still see themselves with their self-respect.

On the contrary, I think it takes a lot of courage not to get drawn into a stupid fight with someone who's deliberately trying to rile you.

[Alexander III]

On the contrary, I think it takes a lot of courage not to get drawn into a stupid fight with someone who's deliberately trying to rile you.

haha whatever makes you happy - like I said before I will never understand your position and you shall never understand mine.

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

I definitely tend towards Mark's method of dealing with antagonists, but maybe that's because there's no way I could ever win a fight.

[JuniperWoolf]

My method is usually to make fun of jerks until they hilariously freak out and try to attack me. In this case, if I were coming out of the bathroom and some woman said that my mother was a whore (it's happened), I'd say "of course my mother is a whore; we're all whores, the women of my family. That's why I'm able to afford this" (indicating outfit) "while you're forced to wear..." (crooked smirk whilst staring brazenly at her torso) "...that."

You'll find that when you're dealing with a female jackass, insulting their appearance cuts right to the core, they're usually pretty insecure. Hitting on them is also a very fun method, haha, it throws them right off.

[Emil Miller]

[QUOTE]By the way... am I the first one to sense a degree of Schizophrenia in you obsession with petite, young, Chinese girls and watermelon breasts?

:lol: Well I have to admit that the Chinese girls of my acquaintance have a superstructure of more manageable proportions, but I did once have a passing liaison with a young lady in a Frankfurt girlie bar who would have been a contender for a Golden Globes award.

[Alexander III]

My method is usually to make fun of jerks until they hilariously freak out and try to attack me. In this case, if I were coming out of the bathroom and some woman said that my mother was a whore (it's happened), I'd say "of course my mother is a whore; we're all whores, the women of my family. That's why I'm able to afford this" (indicating outfit) "while you're forced to wear..." (crooked smirk whilst staring brazenly at her torso) "...that."

You'll find that when you're dealing with a female jackass, insulting their appearance cuts right to the core, they're usually pretty insecure. Hitting on them is also a very fun method, haha, it throws them right off.

Yes but your are a girl (blah blah blah opression of women by steryotypes)

Girls who physicaly fight tend to be trashy, it is rather unatractive.

As for you Mutis, you have a rather valid reason afterall.

Maybe it is very anachronistic of me, but to let another man demene me and not retort, I could not live with that. 200 years ago the system ofnDuelling was well established around europe. I like that, that a man would place his honor above his live. Nowadays, people seem to value their life so very much and honor so very little - So I know that mark is entirley representitive of the modern zeitgesit, and I am the odd one. But dam, a man who values his life more than anything else is for me nothing more than an animal, soley concerned with the baser aspects of mankind.

[Varenne Rodin]

My method is usually to make fun of jerks until they hilariously freak out and try to attack me. In this case, if I were coming out of the bathroom and some woman said that my mother was a whore (it's happened), I'd say "of course my mother is a whore; we're all whores, the women of my family. That's why I'm able to afford this" (indicating outfit) "while you're forced to wear..." (crooked smirk whilst staring brazenly at her torso) "...that."

You'll find that when you're dealing with a female jackass, insulting their appearance cuts right to the core, they're usually pretty insecure. Hitting on them is also a very fun method, haha, it throws them right off.

That's what I would do!

News flash for guys, men who get in fist fights over petty words seem trashy too. A nice cool shun is always more impressive.

I had a boyfriend who frequently got into fights; fights over my "honor," his mother's, bad business deals and etc. It was embarassing that he had so little self control. He ended up in the hospital multiple times. He spent three days in jail and got hit with a personal injury lawsuit. If a person isn't intelligent enough to best someone with wit, and can be provoked to physical fights so easily, that's a huge weakness and it's not attractive.

If some guy calls your mother a puke-ugly pig and you hit him, you're giving him exactly what he wanted. Kudos to you for being a chump.

[Sancho]

The best predictor of murder and violent crime in a community is the prevalence of men age 15-25 within that community. The prefrontal cortex (that part of the brain responsible for social behavior and impulse control) isn't fully developed in humans until around age 25.

I'm just sayin'...

[Emil Miller]

The best predictor of murder and violent crime in a community is the prevalence of men age 15-25 within that community. The prefrontal cortex (that part of the brain responsible for social behavior and impulse control) isn't fully developed in humans until around age 25.

I'm just sayin'...

That may not explain everything but it sure explains a lot.

[Sancho]

Yup.

As for why the infinitely more responsible female gender of the species seems to be drawn to this live-fast-and-die-young type, I've always wondered about that. I suppose they're reasoning goes something like this: this probably won't end well, but at least it won't be boring.

[Alexander III]

That may not expain everything it sure explains a lot.

It is vain for the coward to flee; death follows close behind; it is only by defying it that the brave escape.

[JuniperWoolf]

Girls who physicaly fight tend to be trashy, it is rather unatractive.

I'm a skilled fighter (*pride*). Anyway, I don't fight regular people in daily situations. It sounds stupid to some people, but I was trained to view non-sport fights as something to be very ashamed of, whether we're male or female. I started taekwondo when I was six, so that's how I was raised. I've only really been in three (four if you stretch your imagination) "real" fights in my life, one time a very scary old man burned my little brother with a cigarette when he was nine and I was fourteen, another time I stupidly jumped into the fray when my friend Steve was getting beaten up by two native guys (bad idea, VERY bad). I've got a "smart mouth" though, so I get attacked sometimes, haha. It's never been anything, light as air - you'll find that in the "real world," very few people actually know how to hit, and actually they're very rarely willing to do so. The vast majority of people really don't want to fight, so they'll usually just say "f*ck you," and walk away.


As for why the infinitely more responsible female gender of the species seems to be drawn to this live-fast-and-die-young type, I've always wondered about that. I suppose they're reasoning goes something like this: this probably won't end well, but at least it won't be boring.

*insert long evolutionary theory response*

It's in our genes (I could have punned here, but I restrained myself).

[Darcy88]

It's true that it seems like men in general desire women far more than women in general desire men (that's another reason why I've always thought that there might be something wrong with me in terms of gender). I don't know why (actually that's not true, I could spit some evolutionary theory but that would completely derail the thread), but it definately gives women power over you. This common male obsession seems to make many men weak. I have friends who make men practically crawl though glass with nary a promise, and then they walk away and he thanks her for it. In fact, I'm not proud of it but I've banked on my looks to get out of trouble (hey, it was A LOT of trouble, if I can get out of it in any way, I'm going to). It was easy, and the poor schluck who should have gotten off scott-free was completely screwed. The sexual obsession of many males makes them putty, which is why I have never dated a slathering idiot. I have no time for people who are subservient.



I've always thought that was the case too, but now I'm not so sure. If I wear my hair in the style of that goof from twilight I get girls screaming and drooling at me from all sides, ranging in age from 15-45. I think its more a matter of standards. Men usually have lower standards regarding sexual partners than do women, due to the fact that a woman can get knocked up and the man can just jet. I believe that women ultimately want men as much as men want them, you just want more than merely someone to have sex with.

[KCurtis]

Maybe you are! I intend to be adorable in middle and older age too, like Maggie Smith. From the inside out. :)

Oh thanks, I just liked my face so much better years ago. When one is over 50, the face is certainly different. I look great from the neck down. But it's kinda good because I can look at cute guys and I know they're not looking at me "that way", so I don't have to be on guard. It's rather liberating.

[KCurtis]

I'm a skilled fighter (*pride*). Anyway, I don't fight regular people in daily situations.

:lol::lol: See this is why you're comments are so funny. If I had time, I would find a bunch of them and post them all at once!

[JuniperWoolf]

I've always thought that was the case too, but now I'm not so sure. If I wear my hair in the style of that goof from twilight I get girls screaming and drooling at me from all sides, ranging in age from 15-45.

Haha, I was going to tell you that you look like Robert Pattinson but I was worried that I might offend you.


:lol::lol: See this is why you're comments are so funny. If I had time, I would find a bunch of them and post them all at once!

Finally, someone who appreciates my sense of humor around here.

[KCurtis]

Haha, I was going to tell you that you look like Robert Pattinson but I was worried that I might offend you.


Finally, someone who appreciates my sense of humor around here.

Only me? Out of all these litnet people? Geesh. No wonder I laugh when no one else is, there I am, cracking up, and nobody else is laughing. I am just getting used to it now, after all these years. It's also no wonder I couldn't sit in church, it's just too funny.

[Sancho]

I'm a skilled fighter (*pride*). Anyway, I don't fight regular people in daily situations. It sounds stupid to some people, but I was trained to view non-sport fights as something to be very ashamed of, whether we're male or female. I started taekwondo when I was six, so that's how I was raised.


-El Sancho goes into a knife-fighting crouch, except oddly he has forgotten to bring a knife-

I'm here to tell you, gender assumptions will bite you. A couple of years ago I was standing around the water cooler with one of my co-workers, engaging in a little chit-chat. She asked what I did over the weekend. I said, "Ah, I was just doing a little work on the T-Craft." (I owned a little airplane back then.) She asked what kind of work, and I went into this dumbed-down version of how to time a magneto. I didn't mean to be condescending or anything, and I consider myself an enlightened kind of guy who was just tailoring his conversation to his audience, but it quickly became obvious to me that this woman knew airplane engines:

Her: "What kind of engine?"
Me: "Ah, you know, these things have 4-cylinder, air-cooled, engines."
Her: "I know, a Taylorcraft usually has an Continental A-65. What's yours got?"
Sancho is starting to feel like his train has just jumped the tracks, "Mine has an A-75. The extra 10 Horse Power is nice, but my top end is so loose I'm probably only getting around 50 horses."*
Her: "Ha. Yeah well. What kind of mag?"
Me: "Eisman."
Her: "Old. What's top dead center on that engine?"
Me: "Well, it's weird, one side is 28.5, and the other side is 29.5, I don't know why."
Her: "That's because..." and she tells me.
I'm starting to feel like I'm talking to a dude. "So, what'd you do this weekend?"
Her: "I had to change out the PTO on my tractor."
Me: "What kind of tractor?"
And so it went. (Turns out it was a Kubota L3240)

And just to clear up any other assumptions, I'm here to tell you, she definitely was not gay.

[Sancho]

Only me? Out of all these litnet people? Geesh. No wonder I laugh when no one else is, there I am, cracking up, and nobody else is laughing. I am just getting used to it now, after all these years. It's also no wonder I couldn't sit in church, it's just too funny.

Sorry 'bout stepping on you, K. Looks like we're posting in tandem.:driving:

[KCurtis]

Sorry 'bout stepping on you, K. Looks like we're posting in tandem.:driving:
No apology needed! :driving:

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

I appreciate Juniper's humor, unlike many who take her too seriously. :nod:

[Darcy88]

-El Sancho goes into a knife-fighting crouch, except oddly he has forgotten to bring a knife-

I'm here to tell you, gender assumptions will bite you. A couple of years ago I was standing around the water cooler with one of my co-workers, engaging in a little chit-chat. She asked what I did over the weekend. I said, "Ah, I was just doing a little work on the T-Craft." (I owned a little airplane back then.) She asked what kind of work, and I went into this dumbed-down version of how to time a magneto. I didn't mean to be condescending or anything, and I consider myself an enlightened kind of guy who was just tailoring his conversation to his audience, but it quickly became obvious to me that this woman knew airplane engines:

Her: "What kind of engine?"
Me: "Ah, you know, these things have 4-cylinder, air-cooled, engines."
Her: "I know, a Taylorcraft usually has an Continental A-65. What's yours got?"
Sancho is starting to feel like his train has just jumped the tracks, "Mine has an A-75. The extra 10 Horse Power is nice, but my top end is so loose I'm probably only getting around 50 horses."*
Her: "Ha. Yeah well. What kind of mag?"
Me: "Eisman."
Her: "Old. What's top dead center on that engine?"
Me: "Well, it's weird, one side is 28.5, and the other side is 29.5, I don't know why."
Her: "That's because..." and she tells me.
I'm starting to feel like I'm talking to a dude. "So, what'd you do this weekend?"
Her: "I had to change out the PTO on my tractor."
Me: "What kind of tractor?"
And so it went. (Turns out it was a Kubota L3240)

And just to clear up any other assumptions, I'm here to tell you, she definitely was not gay.

A good friend of mine has her welding ticket. This other girl I know who is gorgeous as Venus works as a fire-fighter and once did a season on a commercial fishing boat in the waters up North. At my kickboxing gym there are women who kick the bag with far more force than I, and I've got pretty darn good kicks.

But they'll never out belch or out bench press us men, and that's why they'll always be stuck on dish duty and have to walk two steps behind.

[smerdyakov]

Darcy, didn't emil miller whip ur ***? :P

[Darcy88]

Darcy, didn't emil miller whip ur ***? :P

No, I don't think he did. I'm actually not sure what you're referring to.

[smerdyakov]

See that book he wrote? i walked past a National Front rally one day and they were handing those books out for free :)

No, I was just kiddin with u need to become a pachyderm like me :D

[smerdyakov]

In yankie land it's a lot different to europe i suppose

[Alexander III]

I appreciate Juniper's humor, unlike many who take her too seriously. :nod:

But she's a woman, I thought we were all putting on an act of treating her with seriousness because men must humor the flimsy passions of women. They are so very delicate and fragile afterall.

[JuniperWoolf]

But she's a woman, I thought we were all putting on an act of treating her with seriousness because men must humor the flimsy passions of women. They are so very delicate and fragile afterall.

Hah! This coming from the guy who needs to buy "fancy" toilet paper.


I'm here to tell you, gender assumptions will bite you. A couple of years ago I was standing around the water cooler with one of my co-workers...

Haha, that happens to me sometimes. Last year my brother was cleaning a deer with a new friend of his who just moved to town watching when I sauntered over. Rylen's new friend had his nose and mouth covered by his sleeve and his eyes were watering from gagging when he sees me and yells "Hey! You don't want to come over here!" Rylen started laughing and tossed me a knife, and I proceeded to practically climb right inside of the animal and slice it's thoracic organs from it's ribcage. I made it extra gross too, just to freak the kid out.

[Buh4Bee]

demean

[Buh4Bee]

It is vain for the coward to flee; death follows close behind; it is only by defying it that the brave escape.

prove it!:lol::lol::lol::lol::p

[Buh4Bee]

Some fail to recognize the genteel nature of others.

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

But she's a woman, I thought we were all putting on an act of treating her with seriousness because men must humor the flimsy passions of women. They are so very delicate and fragile afterall.

I would think that sarcasm if I didn't also think that's what you really thought.