?21st Century oPetry – Yoetrp – Tyroep AnEbodi?

[WolfLarsen]

?21st Century oPetry – Yoetrp – Tyroep AnEbodi?
a poem by Wolf Larsen

Piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnggg!
Dop!
Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnng!
Bop!
Woooooooooooonnnnggg!
Schloop!
Do-bop- roouuu waaa zoo ba duddle dee yureeeekaaaaaaaaaa!
Really?
Well, za doodle dee wing za flop!!
ka – zoow roouuw ka-pling da da da riiiinnnngggggg!
Fluuupity!
Exactly!
How?

Copyright 2012 by Wolf Larsen

Now playing: Beezow Doo-Doo Zopittybop-Bop-Bop-ism

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

That sucked. It would be an okay Bill Cosby impression, though.

[Charles Darnay]

My cat wrote a similar poem today while walking back and forth on my keyboard.

[Darcy88]

Thank you Wolf for proving right what I just wrote in your other thread.

This poem is the kind of random chaotic discharge I would expect to come from one operating in accordance with the juvenile and anarchic philosophy you espouse. The riggings have come loose and you're now aimlessly adrift. Gone is land, compass, chart. You've made a principle out of being lost.

[Hawkman]

Sadly, I fear, this is not 21st century poetry, or any anagram thereof. To be precise it is mid 20th century poetry in the surrealist school. The late, great, George Melly, a seaker after alternative ways, and consumate jazz musician, found this sort of thing quite useful. One evening, while walking home after a gig, he was about to be mugged, but started reciting a surrealist poem, not unlike yours, which so scared his would be assailant that he ran away.

You should memorise this in case you ever find yourself in the same position.

Live and be well - H

[stlukesguild]

http://www.floraberlin.de/soundbag/sbimages/fisch.gif

Christian Morgenstern: Fish' Nightsong 1905

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/10/Marinetti-Motagne.jpg/471px-Marinetti-Motagne.jpg

Filippo Tommaso Marinetti: Après la Marne, Joffre visita le front en auto 1915

http://www.poetryfoundation.org/images/features/hirsch_poem.gif

Apollinaire: Il Pleut 1918

http://web.njit.edu/~funkhous/mmu/4/mall/06Mallarme_Coup1.jpg

Stéphane Mallarmé: Un Coup de Dés Jamais N'Abolira Le Hasard 1897

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAYxpSjkyAg

Those old poets are way ahead of you already, Wolf.:p

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

Not to mention "Jabberwocky," first published in 1885:


Twas bryllyg, and ye slythy toves
Did gyre and gymble in ye wabe:
All mimsy were ye borogoves;
And ye mome raths outgrabe.


Still, at least you got StLukes to comment in an area of the Forums I've never seen him post before . . . so there's that.

[Delta40]

I don't often hear music when reading poetry but this one made my ears ring. What can I say?

[hillwalker]

I don't often hear music when reading poetry but this one made my ears ring. What can I say?

Tinnitus?

H

[Delta40]

Tinnitus?

H

lol. only if tinnitus has notes

[MarkBastable]

Not to mention "Jabberwocky," first published in 1885:


Twas bryllyg, and ye slythy toves
Did gyre and gymble in ye wabe:
All mimsy were ye borogoves;
And ye mome raths outgrabe.


Still, at least you got StLukes to comment in an area of the Forums I've never seen him post before . . . so there's that.

Why have you changed all Carroll's 'the's to 'ye'?

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

Because that's how Wikipedia had it typed out when I copied and pasted--I'm not familiar enought with the poem to have noticed the difference, but now that you did, it does sound wrong when read aloud. On their site, they said he originally published just that one stanza in 1885, so I'm guessing he changed it later. I'd look it back up, but Wikipedia is blacked out here in the states today.

[Buh4Bee]

Wolf- I like it!

[WolfLarsen]

Some of the above posters were kind enough to post examples of innovative 20 century poetry. I thank them 100 times.

I encourage everybody to familiarize themselves with all the great variety of innovative 20th century poetry.

In my opinion the poetry beginning with Charles Baudelaire up to the present time is the greatest poetry ever written by man. Yes, there were greats before but their accomplishments seem modest compared to the innovators of the 20th century.

So, if I'm the basically a 20th century poet that means that some of my harshest critics on this literary board are writing 19th-century style poetry. To each his own.

Perhaps later in the 21st century people will click on a poem on the Internet and the poem will become a 360° four dimensional chaos of music, words, painting, film, and god knows what else. That is, if World War III doesn't happen first, but that's for discussing somewhere else.

[Haunted]

Perhaps later in the 21st century people will click on a poem on the Internet and the poem will become a 360° four dimensional chaos of music, words, painting, film, and god knows what else. That is, if World War III doesn't happen first, but that's for discussing somewhere else.

If this becomes a trend, shoot me.

[Darcy88]

In my opinion the poetry beginning with Charles Baudelaire up to the present time is the greatest poetry ever written by man.

So, if I'm the basically a 20th century poet that means that some of my harshest critics on this literary board are writing 19th-century style poetry. To each his own.


Baudelaire was 19th century. So were Rimbaud and Whitman.


In my opinion the poetry beginning with Charles Baudelaire up to the present time is the greatest poetry ever written by man. Yes, there were greats before but their accomplishments seem modest compared to the innovators of the 20th century.

I scoff at the assertion that the achievements of poets going back to Ovid and even before could in any way be deemed "modest."

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

Some of the above posters were kind enough to post examples of innovative 20 century poetry. I thank them 100 times.

I encourage everybody to familiarize themselves with all the great variety of innovative 20th century poetry.

In my opinion the poetry beginning with Charles Baudelaire up to the present time is the greatest poetry ever written by man. Yes, there were greats before but their accomplishments seem modest compared to the innovators of the 20th century.
When I think of Dante, I definitely think "modest."


So, if I'm the basically a 20th century poet that means that some of my harshest critics on this literary board are writing 19th-century style poetry. To each his own.
I thought, according to your ideas, that you'd want to be A 21st century poet. You're stuck in the past, Wolf!


Perhaps later in the 21st century people will click on a poem on the Internet and the poem will become a 360° four dimensional chaos of music, words, painting, film, and god knows what else. That is, if World War III doesn't happen first, but that's for discussing somewhere else.
Well, that won't really be poetry then, will it? Sounds more like the eveloution of media for our ever dwindling attention spans.

[MarkBastable]

Because that's how Wikipedia had it typed out when I copied and pasted--I'm not familiar enought with the poem to have noticed the difference, but now that you did, it does sound wrong when read aloud. On their site, they said he originally published just that one stanza in 1885, so I'm guessing he changed it later. I'd look it back up, but Wikipedia is blacked out here in the states today.

Ah - so Carroll thought better of the cod-archaic fol-de-rol. He was right. It distracts from the fascination of the invented words.


In my opinion the poetry beginning with Charles Baudelaire up to the present time is the greatest poetry ever written by man. Yes, there were greats before but their accomplishments seem modest compared to the innovators of the 20th century.

See, everyone's allowed one or two provocative dislikes. Me, I think Milton is absurdly over-rated. And Wordsworth's a narrow-minded doggerel-jockey. I'm confident that I could make valid arguments to back up those assessments.

But - just looking at poetry in English - if you dismiss as 'modest' all the work created during a thousand years of creative endeavour, you rather undermine any subsequent argument you might make in support of your own poetry, or of the poetry you like. The obvious thought is, "If he can't find anything at all between Beowulf and Baudelaire that he reckons is better than 'modest', then whatever criteria he's working from are completely alien to me. In which case, why even consider his views on more recent poetry - or, indeed, on anything else?"

Whose modest poetry, by the way, do you think that Baudelaire liked?

[Jerrybaldy]

ahhh the things I could post if I were not close to the limit on infractions. But you would get off on it either way.

[Delta40]

Hill posted it favourite poems Jerry

[cacian]

Not to mention "Jabberwocky," first published in 1885:


Twas bryllyg, and ye slythy toves
Did gyre and gymble in ye wabe:
All mimsy were ye borogoves;
And ye mome raths outgrabe.
Is this a distractionf from the real language?
This is very saxonish in sounds which distract from English.
The question is
How does one get away with gibberish and becomes famous for it and another one does not?

[YesNo]

The question is
How does one get away with gibberish and becomes famous for it and another one does not?
Yes. That is the mystery. In Carroll's case it might have to do with the sound of the meter and rhyme and as well as the entertaining content.

[WolfLarsen]

Charles Darney said:


My cat wrote a similar poem today while walking back and forth on my keyboard.


HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

[Jassy Melson]

No one can predict what poetry will be like twenty years from now, not to mention a hundred, but I will say this: If poetry continues on its present path that it's been on since the 1950s, then poetry will be unintelligible, and the majority will tune it out.

[Catamite]

Yeah I think that the main problems are thatcomtemporary poets in competiton with televsion, and so are starting to disregard portrayal of normal life altogether. And that many comtemporary poets have abandonded completely older forms and styls rather than adapting them for new purpose. There are too many Bukowski wannabee's who fail too see what made Bukowski good was an unattainble, visceral Bukowskiness.

[qimissung]

As to that last, so true! Bukowski looks easy, but in reality it's not really that easy to write like he does.

It's good of you to experiment, Wolf, but I can't say that I think the effort succeeded. Why one person's gibberish remains gibberish and the other's becomes iconic is somewhat mysterious.

Look at modern art. I can't say that I like it really, but I also know I could not replicate a Pollack, a De Kooning, or even Banksy.

[kittypaws]

Wolf ~ I liked it! It made me smile :)

thank YOU!

kittypaws

[WolfLarsen]

Thank you Kitty! Meow!

Somebody mentioned Bukowski. I came across one of his poetry books and didn't care for it. On the other hand I liked his novel Ham on Rye, or something like that.

Somebody said that with increased experimentation there is a danger that people will not read poetry. Nobody's reading poetry anyway.

[YesNo]

I think you're nearly right about no one reading poetry. There are a few who do read it, but many people listen to it in the form of song lyrics. However, if songs don't count as poetry, then very few people pay any attention to poetry today.

I remember reading Bukowski's poetry many years ago. I thought it was very entertaining. I'm surprised you didn't care for it.

[WolfLarsen]

Yeah, I was surprised to. I didn't care for T.S. Eliot's famous poem that begins with something about spring being the worst time of year or whatever. And he's supposed to be so great.

Oh yeah, you asked in a different thread about what poets I like. However, I'm equally fond of much modern & postmodern painting! I also like modern dance very much. When I watch the dancers move I see phrases of poetry. Anyway, here's a partial list of poets I like:

The early poetry of Andrei Codrescu

all poetry by Russell Edson

the poem Political Intelligence by A. J. M. Smith

the poem Vision by Harry Crosby

Kitchen Poem by Francis Scarfe

Residence on Earth by Pablo Neruda

all poetry by Anne Sexton

all poetry by Baudelaire, Rimbaud, Rilke

all surrealist, dada-ist and Cubist poetry by any poet

sometimes works claiming to be postmodern are quite interesting, as long as they're not boring

the poem Yelu Apoki by Luo Zhicheng

the poem Apocalypse and Resurrection by John Bayliss

One Night Away from Day by John Digby

most poetry by October Paz, as long as it's translated decently, which sadly is often not the case

the poet Frank Lima

the poem Daybreak by Bert Meyers

the poem "I Am Writing You from a Distant Land" by Henri Michaux

A Can of Fish by Xia Yu Lying

the poem Homage to Hieronymus Bosch by Thomas McGreevy

the poetry of Edouard Roditi

the poetry of Yves Bonnefoy

SIX WAYS OF EATING A WATERMELON by Luo Qing

[YesNo]

I didn't like T. S. Eliot's Wasteland either. Since I'm not an academic, nor a student, it doesn't really matter. What little I read of Anne Sexton didn't impress me either, but I can't remember why at the moment.

However, I do like the creepy wierdness of Baudelaire as well as the way he splits his poetry into the metrical part in Les Fleurs du Mal and prose poetry ("flash fiction"?) in Le Spleen de Paris.

Outside of Pablo Neruda I don't recall having read any of the others on your list. I think you have read much more poetry than I have.

My list of favorites, off the top of my head, include Laurence Hope, Lord Byron, Robert Frost, Dorothy Parker, and Charles Baudelaire.