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lhoneythunder
01-12-2012, 09:27 PM
Humbly Requesting Advice: this is something I came up with in my lunch break and am quite proud of - however I'm sure it can be improved so if you had any spare time I would love to know what you like, and what you don't like?

(Easier-to-read format here: http://wp.me/p1ZoxD-7i)

October 2011

Charlie flung the house keys towards the living room table as his wife Evelyn closed the door behind them. With a loud orchestral clinking of metal on the lacquered surface the keys slid off underneath the sofa, completely missing the pot Charlie had been aiming for. Evelyn rolled her eyes and tutted loud enough so it wouldn’t go unnoticed. “Darling, you really shouldn’t do that, you never ever get it in the pot, and scratches are beginning to show.” Charlie had already bounded across the room to rectify the situation.

Evie continued to drive the point home. "You know that my love for our table and loathing for your aim is in equal measure dear."

“Sorry”, a voice replied from underneath the sofa. Evelyn peered round the corner and could only see Charlie’s rear end as he rooted around the dust and dark for his now lost keys. “My aim will improve, I promise. One day I’ll get the buggers in.” Charlie was clearly oblivious to the fact that Evelyn’s source of discontent was the treatment of the table, and not her husband being a bad shot.

Evelyn slipped off her overcoat, gently shaking the snow from it. The forecast said it would be like this for at least another week, apparently a result of the Indian summer just gone. She fondly remembered the warm summer days just a month earlier, and being out until 6pm with the sun still out. Now it was dark by the time the hour hand hit four. Evelyn hated winter. She went to the closet tidily hanging her coat up, and from the corner of her eye, beyond Charlie’s jiggling bottom, spotted her husband's jacket flung on the sofa with the same disregard he had shown the keys earlier. She quickly smiled realising her boy would never grow up, and moved from the hallway into the kitchen to prepare a nightcap.

“Ah, found it!” she heard, a triumphant cry as if Charlie had just discovered Blackbeard’s treasure. He came to the kitchen and leant on the doorpost dangling the keys victoriously in front of Evelyn. There was a gleaming smile on his face, a bit too much glee for someone who has found his front door keys having only lost them thirty-seconds earlier. Evelyn thought it was adorable nonetheless.

“Shall I have another go, see if my hand-eye coordination hasn’t improved in the last five minutes?”

“I should think you might find your laptop sailing out the window if you put Aunt Mable’s table through that again.” Evelyn replied.

“Mm, actually I’ve had enough goes today come to think of it. Could you pass the cheeseboard over?”

As Evelyn did so, Charlie took the board from her and immediately placed it on the tabletop next to him, taking up his wife in a long, loving embrace.

“I do love the way you put up with my silliness - how you cope I have no idea.” Charlie gazed into Evelyn’s dark brown eyes and kissed her.

“Well that certainly helps,” Evelyn replied, breaking away to get the two small glasses of port from behind her. Handing one over to Charlie, Evelyn motioned him into the living room where they collapsed together onto the sofa. With Evelyn lying on Charlie’s lap, she looked dazily up at the ceiling.

“It’s such a shame that the parties we go to have such potential for great fun but are ruined by such boring attendees.”

Charlie, leaning back on the sofa with his eyes closed played with Evelyn’s hair letting her chestnut locks fall between his fingers. He was seemingly away with the fairies. Evelyn continued anyway, “Take tonight for example: charity fundraiser held in the Butterfly hall of the Natural History Museum, with Michelin-starred food and Chinese acrobats. I repeat: Chinese acrobats. One of the girls was dancing on a chap’s head for goodness sake! And yet why do I come away feeling slightly short-changed? Because I have to be sat in between a right-wing tax attorney and a food importer from the US. Did you know that California produces about 70% of the world’s supply of prunes? Absolutely tragic conversation that one...”

Charlie looked down at his wife. “Evie. That was a first world problem if I ever heard it.”

“A what?”

“A first world problem. It isn’t easy being a privileged citizen of a developed nation is it? Like when you have so much stuff you just don’t know what to ask for for Christmas, or when you get a paper cut from pulling out a fifty from your wallet. Or in this case, when you attend an event to help kids in Africa but you have to sit next to people who don’t entertain you enough for an hour. It’s a problem, but it’s not really a problem.”

“Am I detecting some degree of indifference to my 'first world problem' then?”

“Spot on sweetie, spot on.”

Evie stopped staring at the ceiling and looked at Charlie with surprise. “Unbelievable - what other ‘first world problems' am I guilty of?”

Charlie closed his eyes again. “Do you really want me to go into it? There’s quite a list and it’s almost 2am.”

Evelyn did not know if she had heard quite right. “There’s a list? You’re talking about a list? That means there’s definitely more than four, otherwise we’d be going through a...a “memo” rather than a ‘list’.”

Charlie gave Evelyn a knowing smile and said nothing.

Evie grabbed a cushion and began to playfully whack her husband. “Right, well bring it on buster,” she countered, “I can take what you’ve got on me, I don’t even care. These aren’t first world problems, they’re Evie’s problems, and so logically your wife’s problems, which ultimately, no matter how fairly, end up as the husband’s problems anyway. At least this will be a reminder as to what you’re got to sort out for me...”

“Well, if you insist.” Charlie said. “I’ll just get my notebook.”

“You’ve actually been writing these down?!”

“Don’t worry, you’re the first person I’ve shown. Apart from my mother.”

“Charles!”

“Okay, okay!” Charlie put his hands up in immediate-surrender. “I’m teasing - there’s no list.”

Evie still looked to arm herself with another cushion.

“Every joke is a half-truth Charlie, even if there’s no list I bet you’ve still got a couple of things you could mention.”

“You want me to dive in?”

“Bring it.”

Charlie cracked his knuckles. “Well, there was that time you complained the ice cream was in the freezer for too long so it was too hard to scoop out of the tub...or when you opened the wrong door on the advent calender I gave you and got really upset-”

“I didn’t get really upset,”

Charlie began to stroke Evelyn’s hands. “Sweetie, you went bonkers and decided to open all the windows and eat all the chocolate because the ‘spirit of Christmas was now broken’. ”

“I got a little upset.”

“Or when only 93 of your 1,000 Facebook friends wished you happy birthday, or-” Charlie suddenly stopped quite abruptly both his sentence and stroking Evelyn’s hands, and looked at her. “Evie?”

“Yes sweetheart?” she answered.

“Where’s your wedding ring?”

Evelyn glanced down and seemed surprised that a faint tan line was now where a band of gold should have been. “Oh! I suppose I must have taken it off when I did the washing up”

“You never take it off when doing the dishes: you wear marigolds.”

“Well sometimes I take it off-”

“No, no you don’t.” Charlie said, “In three years of marriage there was only one time you took your ring off. And you know when that was...”

Evelyn sat upright, and gave a piercing look. “You don’t need to bring that up.”

“I’m just reassuring myself it’s not happening again-“

“Well it isn’t,” she snapped, “you don’t need to worry about those type of things. I’m going to bed. Goodnight. I’ll see you in the morning.”

At that point Evelyn stood up and walked off in a huff. Charlie was not in need of his phsychology degree to recognise something odd about his wife’s behaviour. He was concerned. Usually Charlie was the type of man to let sleeping dogs lie and move on, but when it came to his relationship with Evelyn, that bright star in his otherwise dull life, he would rather remove the thorn from his marriage’s side than let it remain undisturbed to fester into something worse. Unfortunately when it came to discussing these types of matters, Charlie had the tact and subtlety of a brick in a sock - he was not known for using a fine pair of tweezers to retrieve the thorn, but rather industrial-sized pliers. Charlie would regret pushing the issue later on. Little did he know, this would be the last night he would spend with his wife.

Jack of Hearts
01-13-2012, 12:39 AM
This reader usually gives full disclosure for these types of pieces... he hates this genre of writing, and that's got nothing to do with you. It's a matter of taste.

The writing itself isn't particularly bad. It could use some fine tuning but it shows skill. It's a different issue, mostly. This reader has to say that this piece suffers from some seriously deep conceptual problems, in his opinion.

The more the narrative tries to endear us to these people, Charlie especially, the more we recoil from them. It's a weird vibe, like we're too conscious of the author's hands at play, too conscious that we're uncomfortably entering into someone else's private fantasy. There is no suspension of disbelief.

Please take this feedback in the spirit of goodwill- in the spirit of the best interest of the piece.

Welcome to these boards. Stick around and write with us, plenty of room- maybe even tell a few of us how we can get better.







J

cyberbob
01-13-2012, 02:25 AM
Humbly Requesting Advice: this is something I came up with in my lunch break and am quite proud of - however I'm sure it can be improved so if you had any spare time I would love to know what you like, and what you don't like?

(Easier-to-read format here: http://wp.me/p1ZoxD-7i)

October 2011

Charlie flung the house keys towards the living room table as his wife Evelyn closed the door behind them. With a loud orchestral clinking of metal on the lacquered surface the keys slid off underneath the sofa, completely missing the pot Charlie had been aiming for. Evelyn rolled her eyes and tutted loud enough so it wouldn’t go unnoticed. “Darling, you really shouldn’t do that, you never ever get it in the pot, and scratches are beginning to show.” Charlie had already bounded across the room to rectify the situation.

Evie continued to drive the point home. "You know that my love for our table and loathing for your aim is in equal measure dear."

“Sorry”, a voice replied from underneath the sofa. Evelyn peered round the corner and could only see Charlie’s rear end as he rooted around the dust and dark for his now lost keys. “My aim will improve, I promise. One day I’ll get the buggers in.” Charlie was clearly oblivious to the fact that Evelyn’s source of discontent was the treatment of the table, and not her husband being a bad shot.

Evelyn slipped off her overcoat, gently shaking the snow from it. The forecast said it would be like this for at least another week, apparently a result of the Indian summer just gone. She fondly remembered the warm summer days just a month earlier, and being out until 6pm with the sun still out. Now it was dark by the time the hour hand hit four. Evelyn hated winter. She went to the closet tidily hanging her coat up, and from the corner of her eye, beyond Charlie’s jiggling bottom, spotted her husband's jacket flung on the sofa with the same disregard he had shown the keys earlier. She quickly smiled realising her boy would never grow up, and moved from the hallway into the kitchen to prepare a nightcap.

“Ah, found it!” she heard, a triumphant cry as if Charlie had just discovered Blackbeard’s treasure. He came to the kitchen and leant on the doorpost dangling the keys victoriously in front of Evelyn. There was a gleaming smile on his face, a bit too much glee for someone who has found his front door keys having only lost them thirty-seconds earlier. Evelyn thought it was adorable nonetheless.

“Shall I have another go, see if my hand-eye coordination hasn’t improved in the last five minutes?”

“I should think you might find your laptop sailing out the window if you put Aunt Mable’s table through that again.” Evelyn replied.

“Mm, actually I’ve had enough goes today come to think of it. Could you pass the cheeseboard over?”

As Evelyn did so, Charlie took the board from her and immediately placed it on the tabletop next to him, taking up his wife in a long, loving embrace.

“I do love the way you put up with my silliness - how you cope I have no idea.” Charlie gazed into Evelyn’s dark brown eyes and kissed her.

“Well that certainly helps,” Evelyn replied, breaking away to get the two small glasses of port from behind her. Handing one over to Charlie, Evelyn motioned him into the living room where they collapsed together onto the sofa. With Evelyn lying on Charlie’s lap, she looked dazily up at the ceiling.

“It’s such a shame that the parties we go to have such potential for great fun but are ruined by such boring attendees.”

Charlie, leaning back on the sofa with his eyes closed played with Evelyn’s hair letting her chestnut locks fall between his fingers. He was seemingly away with the fairies. Evelyn continued anyway, “Take tonight for example: charity fundraiser held in the Butterfly hall of the Natural History Museum, with Michelin-starred food and Chinese acrobats. I repeat: Chinese acrobats. One of the girls was dancing on a chap’s head for goodness sake! And yet why do I come away feeling slightly short-changed? Because I have to be sat in between a right-wing tax attorney and a food importer from the US. Did you know that California produces about 70% of the world’s supply of prunes? Absolutely tragic conversation that one...”

Charlie looked down at his wife. “Evie. That was a first world problem if I ever heard it.”

“A what?”

“A first world problem. It isn’t easy being a privileged citizen of a developed nation is it? Like when you have so much stuff you just don’t know what to ask for for Christmas, or when you get a paper cut from pulling out a fifty from your wallet. Or in this case, when you attend an event to help kids in Africa but you have to sit next to people who don’t entertain you enough for an hour. It’s a problem, but it’s not really a problem.”

“Am I detecting some degree of indifference to my 'first world problem' then?”

“Spot on sweetie, spot on.”

Evie stopped staring at the ceiling and looked at Charlie with surprise. “Unbelievable - what other ‘first world problems' am I guilty of?”

Charlie closed his eyes again. “Do you really want me to go into it? There’s quite a list and it’s almost 2am.”

Evelyn did not know if she had heard quite right. “There’s a list? You’re talking about a list? That means there’s definitely more than four, otherwise we’d be going through a...a “memo” rather than a ‘list’.”

Charlie gave Evelyn a knowing smile and said nothing.

Evie grabbed a cushion and began to playfully whack her husband. “Right, well bring it on buster,” she countered, “I can take what you’ve got on me, I don’t even care. These aren’t first world problems, they’re Evie’s problems, and so logically your wife’s problems, which ultimately, no matter how fairly, end up as the husband’s problems anyway. At least this will be a reminder as to what you’re got to sort out for me...”

“Well, if you insist.” Charlie said. “I’ll just get my notebook.”

“You’ve actually been writing these down?!”

“Don’t worry, you’re the first person I’ve shown. Apart from my mother.”

“Charles!”

“Okay, okay!” Charlie put his hands up in immediate-surrender. “I’m teasing - there’s no list.”

Evie still looked to arm herself with another cushion.

“Every joke is a half-truth Charlie, even if there’s no list I bet you’ve still got a couple of things you could mention.”

“You want me to dive in?”

“Bring it.”

Charlie cracked his knuckles. “Well, there was that time you complained the ice cream was in the freezer for too long so it was too hard to scoop out of the tub...or when you opened the wrong door on the advent calender I gave you and got really upset-”

“I didn’t get really upset,”

Charlie began to stroke Evelyn’s hands. “Sweetie, you went bonkers and decided to open all the windows and eat all the chocolate because the ‘spirit of Christmas was now broken’. ”

“I got a little upset.”

“Or when only 93 of your 1,000 Facebook friends wished you happy birthday, or-” Charlie suddenly stopped quite abruptly both his sentence and stroking Evelyn’s hands, and looked at her. “Evie?”

“Yes sweetheart?” she answered.

“Where’s your wedding ring?”

Evelyn glanced down and seemed surprised that a faint tan line was now where a band of gold should have been. “Oh! I suppose I must have taken it off when I did the washing up”

“You never take it off when doing the dishes: you wear marigolds.”

“Well sometimes I take it off-”

“No, no you don’t.” Charlie said, “In three years of marriage there was only one time you took your ring off. And you know when that was...”

Evelyn sat upright, and gave a piercing look. “You don’t need to bring that up.”

“I’m just reassuring myself it’s not happening again-“

“Well it isn’t,” she snapped, “you don’t need to worry about those type of things. I’m going to bed. Goodnight. I’ll see you in the morning.”

At that point Evelyn stood up and walked off in a huff. Charlie was not in need of his phsychology degree to recognise something odd about his wife’s behaviour. He was concerned. Usually Charlie was the type of man to let sleeping dogs lie and move on, but when it came to his relationship with Evelyn, that bright star in his otherwise dull life, he would rather remove the thorn from his marriage’s side than let it remain undisturbed to fester into something worse. Unfortunately when it came to discussing these types of matters, Charlie had the tact and subtlety of a brick in a sock - he was not known for using a fine pair of tweezers to retrieve the thorn, but rather industrial-sized pliers. Charlie would regret pushing the issue later on. Little did he know, this would be the last night he would spend with his wife.

I like these whatever-you-call-thems. I think this story is freaking great and I want to read more of it.

I think this is the best story I've read so far on LitNet and, from reading this much so far at least, you show more writing ability than the average writer on here.

Jack of Hearts
01-13-2012, 02:40 AM
Says the one guy who liked the baby story.

Just kidding, bob. This reader actually likes reading your posts quite a bit. And, to be fair, this reader might still be carrying some PTSD from going through kangels4ever's stuff, which in Jack of Hearts' mind right now gave a similar flavor to this.

So he tried to be honest in his feedback, but if he's way off base here, then whoops.







J

hillwalker
01-13-2012, 08:34 AM
First question – how long do you have for lunch break??

But seriously…

The opening sentence/paragraph of any piece is the decider – do we carry on reading or do we press the < button (or put the book back on the retailer’s shelf)? It’s important to get it as near-perfect as possible.
Admittedly this is a first draft so you’re going to revise it later but I hope you’ll allow me to give it a closer read :

Charlie flung the house keys towards the living room table as his wife Evelyn closed the door behind them.

Immediately we sense this sentence has a fundamental flaw – did Evelyn actually close the door behind the house keys? and will the rest of the piece be as grammatically suspect?
Well, the answer is obviously ‘no’ to both questions. But on such whims are often decided whether a book becomes a blockbuster or a bargain-bin reject.

‘a loud orchestral clinking of metal’ is a case of trying too hard to come up with an original way to describe the sound keys might make when they strike a hard surface. What does ‘orchestral’ mean – musical? in harmony? or discordant (which is probably closer to what you were aiming for)? You have a choice – keep things simpler or make sure you choose the exact right words.

Also you don’t need ‘Charlie had been aiming for’ because the act of throwing suggests this already.

‘Evelyn rolled her eyes’ unfortunately added a new physical dimension to the scene – I pictured her eyes following the keys under the sofa.
Sometimes what you write doesn’t quite come out the way you intended it to purely because it becomes super-imposed on some previous image that the reader is still mulling over in their mind.

Similarly ‘Charlie bounded across the room’ – is that absolutely accurate? or did he just move quickly to retrieve the keys and avoid another argument? So far there is no evidence Charlie is a kangaroo.

Ok – That’s enough. But I’ve purposely nit-picked over this paragraph just to show you how readers’ minds (and editors) sometimes work. If the story is taking rather a long time to get moving our attention drifts and we start homing in on tiny details that would normally be overlooked.

By the second paragraph we sense there is some humour between Evie (not a great idea to keep changing her name btw) and her hen-pecked husband. So we put on our slippers and snuggle up next to the dog. It’s a light, domestic comedy and you do a great job of displaying the intimate banter that couples delight in at a certain stage in a relationship. It’s still love - but not displayed in a slushy way. I actually found it quite amusing in a ‘Friends’ meets ‘Desperate Housewives’ kind of way – frothy yet not nauseatingly sweet. Dialogue is definitely your strong point once you get into your stride.

Of course there are a couple more little details to iron out:

Evelyn slipped off her overcoat, gently shaking the snow from it. The forecast said it would be like this for at least another week…
We all know it’s the weather the forecasters are speaking about rather than Evelyn’s coat – but the way you’ve written it…….??

and With Evelyn lying on Charlie’s lap, she looked dazily up at the ceiling. – I’m guessing you meant ‘dazedly’ (or perhaps even ‘lazily’)?

Finally by the time we reach the closing paragraph the style changes again – I was beginning to think you were overstating the case, but the twist came from nowhere… I’m not a fan of romantic writing – but it was pretty good and for a first post quite exceptional.

I’d probably end up shop-lifting the book. Heaven forbid I be seen buying chick-lit (if this qualifies as that).

H

lhoneythunder
01-13-2012, 02:17 PM
Umm, wow? I've been part of other writing-forums before but these are some of the most helpful/constructive critiques I've ever had. I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship...

@J of H: - Everyone will have different tastes and I respect that, so no problem if someone dislikes the genre, as long as it doesn't unfairly impact the overall critique
- I'd like to ask about whether the "seriously deep conceptual problems" extend beyond the absence of the "suspension of disbelief" in your opinion?
-What part of Evie and Charlie's characters makes you recoil from them?
p.s. even if you don't have time to reply, thanks for the feedback, seriously heplful

@Bob: muchos gracias for the feedback, your encouragement will definitely go a long way - glad you enjoyed it

@HW: I can certainly see there's a lot of ironing to do - the things you've pointed out are what one needs to be particularly conscientious of but can lose sight of quite quickly if you let your concentration slip. All very salient points. In the meantime, love your whole critique, especially the description of the piece as "frothy yet not nauseatingly sweet." Nice.

Charles Darnay
01-13-2012, 02:48 PM
Yay Casablanca reference!

Anyway, I have developed a new tactic when critiquing stories: it's called "don't read what Hill wrote because I know that it is more meticulous than my critique will be :)" So I apologize if I am being repetitive here.

Right....

Overall I think the story is going somewhere. I'm assuming you're planning to write the conclusion, in which case, I would lose the last line. We know that things are falling apart and we know what's about to happen, you don't have to give away the ending 100%.

Some general notes:

1. Adverbs are clutter, you could do away with them.


With a loud orchestral clinking of metal on the lacquered surface the keys slid off underneath the sofa, completely missing the pot Charlie had been aiming for
The "completely" doesn't add anything. Same true for all other adverbs in this story.



Evie continued to drive the point home

Phrases like these are "telling" which is frowned upon. I feel hypocritical because I am guilty of this often, but show through the dialogue that she is driving the point home, don't tell us that.


Charlie was clearly oblivious to the fact that Evelyn’s source of discontent was the treatment of the table, and not her husband being a bad shot.
Both my points are illustrated here. Lose the "clearly" it does nothing. Also, this is another example of telling. Show us through the characters not the narrator that he is oblivious.

One final point I will make is that your characters' diction seems a bit inconsistent at times.

“I should think you might find your laptop sailing out the window if you put Aunt Mable’s table through that again.” - this is very formal and very "British" (I'm sorry, as a North American, I don't know how else to label it.)

“You want me to dive in?”

“Bring it." - This is more informal, 21st century diction.

This may just be me, coming from where and when I am, but the first example seems unnatural. Do people really (still) talk like that?


Anyway, best of luck with the rest. And considering this was written during a lunch break - that's impressive.

Henry Please
01-13-2012, 04:46 PM
+1 on getting rid of any/all unnecessary adverbs. Also the infinite verb clauses that hide your subject and verb behind fancy physical descriptions -- 2nd sentence being case in point.

Varenne Rodin
01-13-2012, 06:27 PM
I really liked it, and I dig your avatar picture. Welcome to Litnet.

lhoneythunder
01-14-2012, 09:58 PM
@Charles D and Henry P: It looks like I've been gorging on adverbs so will have to tone that down. As for the dialogue criticism, I do know some people around where I live who talk like - whether or not it works here I'm still undecided on - if others have an opinion do let me know.

@Varenne: pleased that you liked it, it's a pleasure to have joined you wonderful folks here on LitNet