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Zemouli Chahra
12-30-2011, 04:22 AM
Why Islam? The question "why?" demands a rational answer It is true that one cannot have an adequate mental picture of some mathematical and scientific facts. For example, one cannot have an adequate mental or visual picture of the curvature of space, or one of the mathematical concepts of infinity. Nor can we really have an adequate mental picture of the way in which certain animals experience things, such as the way in which bats 'see' by using ultrasonic waves. However, know these concepts to be true because of solid evidence and not because of some non-rational ideas.
Therefore we can say that we do indeed comprehend them. Now what about the concept of a singular, all-knowing entity which has created the universe. It is impossible to have any mental or visual picture of such an entity, for evidence tells us that this entity must be unlike anything in the universe because this entity must be independent of space and time. The evidence for the existence of this single intelligence lies in the design of nature itself, which we can freely examine; hence, such an ideology is rational.

If one realizes this - through confirmation - then one can proceed to answer the question: Why Islam? One of the main problems with an atheistic ideology is that it cannot explain intelligence in the processes of the universe. Another problem is that it tends to deprive life of meaning. Furthermore, we know that human beings are naturally inclined to be honest; however, in atheism there is a denial of an ultimate originator and of anything beyond death, which creates a contradiction and leads to an inconsistency in behaviour – on the one hand a person would be inclined to be honest, and on the other to be dishonest 'to make the most of this world'. [If everyone insisted on 'making the most of this world', society as we know it would not exist. As a case in point, let us suppose that all those who wanted to 'make the most of this world' resorted to thievery. If this happened, no one would be producing the goods (growing food for instance) that the rest of us could steal. Hence it seems that 'making the most of this world' as system of action is doomed to failure. Could it then be a viable system of belief?] Broadly speaking, with regard to theistic ideologies we have the revealed, the distorted and the man-made. One can easily say that a way of life communicated to humankind by the creator of this universe is preferred to man-made ideologies. If one wants to follow the advice of that which has made the universe and all that it contains - regarding what is beneficial or harmful - then it is better to refer to pristine communication from this originator, than to that communication which has been fabricated or distorted by man. Those ideologies claiming to be based on revelations can be subjected to a number of tests, the first and most important of which is that of consistency. We must look for two types of consistency: internal and external. Internal consistency means that a statement made in a book must not contradict another statement in the same book. External consistency means that a statement made in a book must not contradict facts as we know, be they psychological, physical, chemical, historical, geographical, biological and so on. Applying these tests, consider the most important truth that all the supposedly revealed ideologies proclaim, that is, the existence and perfect attributes of God. God for all ideologies, that claim to be revealed, is supposed to be all knowing, all merciful, everlasting etc.

However, some books imply that God's knowledge is limited and imperfect by saying that, for example, God was deceived by a human. In contrast, the Quran provides the perfect concept of an all-knowing, singular originator of this universe. This leads us to the next test - that of authenticity. The question that should be asked is whether the ******ures that we have today are indeed a communication from the originator to humankind. A study of the history of Islam would show that the present Quran is exactly the same as that which was communicated about one thousand four hundred years ago. During its revelation it was committed to memory by a large number of people and also written down. Yet another test is that of comprehensiveness. A truly comprehensive ideology, revealed to humankind by the designer of the universe, would describe the most beneficial system in all spheres of life including the political, economical, social, medical and environmental spheres. Lastly, we might look at the test of universality.

Clearly, an ideology which is historically or graphically bound is not as good as that which applicable to all human beings, irrespective of the time and place of their origin. In conclusion, if one uses the criteria of universality, comprehensiveness, authenticity and above all, consistency, one would find the Quran unique and worthy of investigation. It is interesting to note that the Quran itself stresses the above-mentioned approach.

For example, in verse 82 of chapter 4, it is said, "Will they not ponder about the Quran? If it had been from other than God, then they would have surely found in it many inconsistencies."

billl
12-30-2011, 05:24 AM
What if everyone "made the most of this world" in their family? Like if they lied and cheated with their children and/or parents? Or with their other relatives, or neighbors? Would they be fired and lose their jobs if they lied and cheated and stole from their co-workers?

mal4mac
12-30-2011, 11:02 AM
The evidence for the existence of this single intelligence lies in the design of nature itself, which we can freely examine; hence, such an ideology is rational.

Few biologists and cosmologists believe in the argument from design - and, I'd hazard to say, none of the really good ones! (E.g. Hawking, Dawkins...)

There are rational explanations that don't require postulating a God - Darwinian evolution, multiverse...



One of the main problems with an atheistic ideology is that it cannot explain intelligence in the processes of the universe.


Maybe not, but at least it's honestly ignorant. "God did it!" is worse than no explanation, in that a vacuous explanation just confuses matters without adding anything to our understanding.



Another problem is that it tends to deprive life of meaning.


Believing in some god provides life with a false meaning. I'm sure you would agree that the ancient Incas worshipped a false god. But why is it any more a false god than the Moslem god?

You can generate meaning without believing in god - you may give your life meaning through studying physics, or reading literature, and in any of a thousand other ways that require no god, i.e., that require no fantasy.

I agree that an atheist may be both inclined to be honest, and on the other to be dishonest, 'to make the most of this world'. But the same is true for religious people. Look at all the dishonest Christians and Moslems there have been throughout history!

Atheist law makers aren't stupid! They can see that thievery is not an option that can be allowed for 'making the most of this world'. You don't see atheists going around thieving all the time - or are you suggesting that Bertrand Russell and Richard Dawkins have been involved in in lives of crime?

cafolini
12-30-2011, 11:32 AM
Why Islam? The question "why?" demands a rational answer It is true that one cannot have an adequate mental picture of some mathematical and scientific facts. For example, one cannot have an adequate mental or visual picture of the curvature of space, or one of the mathematical concepts of infinity. Nor can we really have an adequate mental picture of the way in which certain animals experience things, such as the way in which bats 'see' by using ultrasonic waves. However, know these concepts to be true because of solid evidence and not because of some non-rational ideas.
Therefore we can say that we do indeed comprehend them. Now what about the concept of a singular, all-knowing entity which has created the universe. It is impossible to have any mental or visual picture of such an entity, for evidence tells us that this entity must be unlike anything in the universe because this entity must be independent of space and time. The evidence for the existence of this single intelligence lies in the design of nature itself, which we can freely examine; hence, such an ideology is rational.

If one realizes this - through confirmation - then one can proceed to answer the question: Why Islam? One of the main problems with an atheistic ideology is that it cannot explain intelligence in the processes of the universe. Another problem is that it tends to deprive life of meaning. Furthermore, we know that human beings are naturally inclined to be honest; however, in atheism there is a denial of an ultimate originator and of anything beyond death, which creates a contradiction and leads to an inconsistency in behaviour – on the one hand a person would be inclined to be honest, and on the other to be dishonest 'to make the most of this world'. [If everyone insisted on 'making the most of this world', society as we know it would not exist. As a case in point, let us suppose that all those who wanted to 'make the most of this world' resorted to thievery. If this happened, no one would be producing the goods (growing food for instance) that the rest of us could steal. Hence it seems that 'making the most of this world' as system of action is doomed to failure. Could it then be a viable system of belief?] Broadly speaking, with regard to theistic ideologies we have the revealed, the distorted and the man-made. One can easily say that a way of life communicated to humankind by the creator of this universe is preferred to man-made ideologies. If one wants to follow the advice of that which has made the universe and all that it contains - regarding what is beneficial or harmful - then it is better to refer to pristine communication from this originator, than to that communication which has been fabricated or distorted by man. Those ideologies claiming to be based on revelations can be subjected to a number of tests, the first and most important of which is that of consistency. We must look for two types of consistency: internal and external. Internal consistency means that a statement made in a book must not contradict another statement in the same book. External consistency means that a statement made in a book must not contradict facts as we know, be they psychological, physical, chemical, historical, geographical, biological and so on. Applying these tests, consider the most important truth that all the supposedly revealed ideologies proclaim, that is, the existence and perfect attributes of God. God for all ideologies, that claim to be revealed, is supposed to be all knowing, all merciful, everlasting etc.

However, some books imply that God's knowledge is limited and imperfect by saying that, for example, God was deceived by a human. In contrast, the Quran provides the perfect concept of an all-knowing, singular originator of this universe. This leads us to the next test - that of authenticity. The question that should be asked is whether the ******ures that we have today are indeed a communication from the originator to humankind. A study of the history of Islam would show that the present Quran is exactly the same as that which was communicated about one thousand four hundred years ago. During its revelation it was committed to memory by a large number of people and also written down. Yet another test is that of comprehensiveness. A truly comprehensive ideology, revealed to humankind by the designer of the universe, would describe the most beneficial system in all spheres of life including the political, economical, social, medical and environmental spheres. Lastly, we might look at the test of universality.

Clearly, an ideology which is historically or graphically bound is not as good as that which applicable to all human beings, irrespective of the time and place of their origin. In conclusion, if one uses the criteria of universality, comprehensiveness, authenticity and above all, consistency, one would find the Quran unique and worthy of investigation. It is interesting to note that the Quran itself stresses the above-mentioned approach.

For example, in verse 82 of chapter 4, it is said, "Will they not ponder about the Quran? If it had been from other than God, then they would have surely found in it many inconsistencies."

Pop, goes the weasel.

cafolini
12-30-2011, 11:34 AM
What if everyone "made the most of this world" in their family? Like if they lied and cheated with their children and/or parents? Or with their other relatives, or neighbors? Would they be fired and lose their jobs if they lied and cheated and stole from their co-workers?

Pop, goes the weasel.


Few biologists and cosmologists believe in the argument from design - and, I'd hazard to say, none of the really good ones! (E.g. Hawking, Dawkins...)

There are rational explanations that don't require postulating a God - Darwinian evolution, multiverse...



Maybe not, but at least it's honestly ignorant. "God did it!" is worse than no explanation, in that a vacuous explanation just confuses matters without adding anything to our understanding.



Believing in some god provides life with a false meaning. I'm sure you would agree that the ancient Incas worshipped a false god. But why is it any more a false god than the Moslem god?

You can generate meaning without believing in god - you may give your life meaning through studying physics, or reading literature, and in any of a thousand other ways that require no god, i.e., that require no fantasy.

I agree that an atheist may be both inclined to be honest, and on the other to be dishonest, 'to make the most of this world'. But the same is true for religious people. Look at all the dishonest Christians and Moslems there have been throughout history!

Atheist law makers aren't stupid! They can see that thievery is not an option that can be allowed for 'making the most of this world'. You don't see atheists going around thieving all the time - or are you suggesting that Bertrand Russell and Richard Dawkins have been involved in in lives of crime?

Pop, goes the weasel.

Zemouli Chahra
12-30-2011, 05:34 PM
Really sorry for the length of the article... I wanted to make it shorter, but my weakness in the language use prevented me..." May be my modifications will destroy it"

billl
12-30-2011, 06:02 PM
I know you weren't trying to be dishonest, but when you quote another person or article, you should also provide a link to the original, or provide the name of the author and article, or wherever you got it from. Otherwise, it can look like it is your words.

Scheherazade
12-30-2011, 06:12 PM
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