Fetishes and Fantaisies

[cacian]

Are they closely linked?
and
Do you have a fetish?

I once went out with a friend to a fetish ball not knowing what it was about.
He had told me that it was a dressing up party so I went thinking nothing of it.
What I saw that night changed my world forever.
I still to this day don't understand the actual need for fetish and what it is about, although I respect and see no problem with it because it is a personal thing that people happen to have in their private lives.

The one that stood out for me is the need for someone to be whipped.
I do not understand how does one get satisfaction out of pain and where does/did it all start and why?

[OrphanPip]

If you're really interested in it, maybe pick up some books on fringe subcultures by writers like Dick Hebdige (he wrote primarily about punk subculture though), Pat Califia, and Gayle Rubin.

On the opposite side you have the vehemently anti-SM lesbian feminist Andrea Dworkin.

[tonywalt]

Mmmm...this should be interesting. I shall remain on the sidelines with whistle in hand:leaving:

[cacian]

Mmmm...this should be interesting. I shall remain on the sidelines with whistle in hand:leaving:

Hehe...whisltling is always a good thing..haha:smile5:

[papayahed]

I think I had a profound moment due to a fetish night. So, I was at a bar and the owner was telling me about fetish night and he invited me. I asked if there were going to be people of a certain fetish there (name left out because I don't want to offend). He said maybe. I told him that that fetish weirds me out and I don't think I would like to see that and could they not. That's when the owner said "Papaya, it's not always about you." I was like "that's weird".

[cacian]

I think I had a profound moment due to a fetish night. So, I was at a bar and the owner was telling me about fetish night and he invited me. I asked if there were going to be people of a certain fetish there (name left out because I don't want to offend). He said maybe. I told him that that fetish weirds me out and I don't think I would like to see that and could they not. That's when the owner said "Papaya, it's not always about you." I was like "that's weird".

seeing is part of understanding.
and yes it is not about all about me and you but it is about being aware of what it is out there.
Things that are kept undergroung and hushhush only exasperate the concept.
The more people know and talk about it the better we get to understand it and then control it.

[papayahed]

seeing is part of understanding.
and yes it is not about all about me and you but it is about being aware of what it is out there.
Things that are kept undergroung and hushhush only exasperate the concept.
The more people know and talk about it the better we get to understand it and then control it.


See, part of what I took away from that conversation is that it's ok. People don't live there lives according to my standards nor I theirs. Why do we need to understand it let alone control it?

[cacian]

See, part of what I took away from that conversation is that it's ok. People don't live there lives according to my standards nor I theirs. Why do we need to understand it let alone control it?

Understand it in the sense of knowing what it entails.
To control means to be able to do it /enjoy it within limits in the sense that it does not take over your life.

[Alexander III]

I would say, to each his own as long as it's all consensual - but there lies the problem. Many people, especilay those with certain psychological realities have a hard time understanding what is consensual. A good deal of pedophiles, adamntly believe that they are not hurting children, that there is a huge difference between what they do and rape.

I know it may be unjust for me to bring up pedophilia in this thread, but along with the lines "to each his own" we must remember that when all of us act, we are mostly convinced that what we are doing is not wrong, and this is dangerous.

[cacian]

If you're really interested in it, maybe pick up some books on fringe subcultures by writers like Dick Hebdige (he wrote primarily about punk subculture though), Pat Califia, and Gayle Rubin.


On the opposite side you have the vehemently anti-SM lesbian feminist Andrea Dworkin.

I know nothing of Andrea Dworkin
It is interesting that Fetishism is refered to as a fringe subculture.
I would say that there nothing cultural about the world of Fetish and Fantaisie.


I would say, to each his own as long as it's all consensual - but there lies the problem. Many people, especilay those with certain psychological realities have a hard time understanding what is consensual. A good deal of pedophiles, adamntly believe that they are not hurting children, that there is a huge difference between what they do and rape.

I know it may be unjust for me to bring up pedophilia in this thread, but along with the lines "to each his own" we must remember that when all of us act, we are mostly convinced that what we are doing is not wrong, and this is dangerous.

consensual?
How is Fetish to do with consenting?

[Taliesin]

I would say, to each his own as long as it's all consensual - but there lies the problem. Many people, especilay those with certain psychological realities have a hard time understanding what is consensual. A good deal of pedophiles, adamntly believe that they are not hurting children, that there is a huge difference between what they do and rape.

I know it may be unjust for me to bring up pedophilia in this thread, but along with the lines "to each his own" we must remember that when all of us act, we are mostly convinced that what we are doing is not wrong, and this is dangerous.

Yes. I do think it's unjust.
As far as I know, paedophilia isn't generally defined to be a fetish, or even when it is, it is usually not one that one thinks of when hearing the word "fetish", I think. So, if you think that some people have psychological trouble understanding what's consensual concerning some practices, then you should say which practices you have in mind, not say "well, pedophiles have these problems too". ("pedophiles can eat sugar freely too! we must think about whether eating sugar is moral!") Let's keep pedophilia out of this discussion since I think that this is not what the OP had in mind and it is a subject that causes a strong emotional reaction and is generally a bad example.

[OrphanPip]

I know nothing of Andrea Dworkin
It is interesting that Fetishism is refered to as a fringe subculture.
I would say that there nothing cultural about the world of Fetish and Fantaisie.

But of course there's cultural aspects. Someone with a fetish is defined by the dominant culture as distinct from the norm, why else would we consider their sexual interest to be fetishistic then? Because we define them as something other than the norm, we inevitably place them into other categories of association. Fetishist themselves react to this by forming distinct cultural groups. SM as a fetish is not a culture (that is to say not everyone who is sexually aroused by pain or giving pain is part of the SM community), but SM is a cultural community. They have their own clubs, their own pornography, their own slang, their own rules of social decorum, their own histories. Gayle Rubin discusses the role AIDS had in changing the San Francisco SM community. The SM community has particularly had a lot of overlap with the general LGBT community, because that was usually the only place the practice was moderately tolerated (though still stigmatized). The SM community has been so influential on gay slang that the terms top and bottom have been appropriated by gays and lesbians to refer to the ****er and the ****ee (to use less hierarchical terms).

I think it's wrong to try and understand these fetishes as if they were psychological conditions, they are more than being some arbitrarily stigmatized sexual act. They are loci of interpersonal identification and of personal expression.

[Lokasenna]

It's interesting that no one had yet confessed to any particularly unusual fetishes... perhaps we are a very moderate crowd?:biggrinjester:

[Ecurb]

It's interesting that no one had yet confessed to any particularly unusual fetishes... perhaps we are a very moderate crowd?:biggrinjester:

Maybe you should get the ball rolling, Lokasenna. As a "card-carrying Medievalist" you must be into some weird stuff.

Here's my fetish confession: the last two Wednesdays I've gone to dance night at Mac's Pub with my girlfriend JUST TO WATCH A WOMAN I KNOW ONLY AS "RUBY SLIPPERS" DANCE!

(I think my girlfriend likes seeing her dance as much as I do.)

[Buh4Bee]

My husband has a friend who only dated Asian women, before he married. He is 6'5 and blonde. He is half Swedish. His wife is a blonde Amazon. Were not sure if she knows know about his history.

[cacian]

It's interesting that no one had yet confessed to any particularly unusual fetishes... perhaps we are a very moderate crowd?:biggrinjester:

moderate?haha...maybe just not sure.
It would be good to see if someone would.#
That would be the start of a good conversation regarding this thread.
would you say fantaisies are linked to fetishes?


But of course there's cultural aspects. Someone with a fetish is defined by the dominant culture as distinct from the norm, why else would we consider their sexual interest to be fetishistic then? Because we define them as something other than the norm, we inevitably place them into other categories of association. Fetishist themselves react to this by forming distinct cultural groups. SM as a fetish is not a culture (that is to say not everyone who is sexually aroused by pain or giving pain is part of the SM community), but SM is a cultural community. They have their own clubs, their own pornography, their own slang, their own rules of social decorum, their own histories. Gayle Rubin discusses the role AIDS had in changing the San Francisco SM community. The SM community has particularly had a lot of overlap with the general LGBT community, because that was usually the only place the practice was moderately tolerated (though still stigmatized). The SM community has been so influential on gay slang that the terms top and bottom have been appropriated by gays and lesbians to refer to the ****er and the ****ee (to use less hierarchical terms).


I think it's wrong to try and understand these fetishes as if they were psychological conditions, they are more than being some arbitrarily stigmatized sexual act. They are loci of interpersonal identification and of personal expression.
I have to disagree with you about saying it is wrong to try and understand fetish.
Anything discussed in the open is a step forward to understanding it.
The reason I brought up this thread was because I have never heard of fetishism and its implication with erotica.
I musthave been living in the different world.
So when I came across it I was stunned. I did not understand what was going on and my first reaction was what is wrong with these peeople.
I have to be honest with you this is how I felt then.
The reasons why I felt this way was because I did not understand it and I still don't, but I have been able to think for myself and conclude that it is each to their own and that I am in no postion to judge.
However I do think that there is a danger of putting these practices underground as if they were to be kept hidden and stigmatised as being 'not normal'.
I think they should brought out into the open discussed along other normal things so that people understand why they are and be able to practice them and control at the same time.
Things that are kept hush hush can escalate and get out of control because they have not been talked about .
This is my honest opinion.


My husband has a friend who only dated Asian women, before he married. He is 6'5 and blonde. He is half Swedish. His wife is a blonde Amazon. Were not sure if she knows know about his history.

why would that a be an issue?
I would say that it is the responsibility of both him and his wife to find out about his past.
Relationships are about communictation and finding out about each other's partners.
That is the basis of a decent relationship.


Maybe you should get the ball rolling, Lokasenna. As a "card-carrying Medievalist" you must be into some weird stuff.

Here's my fetish confession: the last two Wednesdays I've gone to dance night at Mac's Pub with my girlfriend JUST TO WATCH A WOMAN I KNOW ONLY AS "RUBY SLIPPERS" DANCE!

(I think my girlfriend likes seeing her dance as much as I do.)

what does a 'ruby slippers' dance?
and anyway if your girlfriend is alright about then you are doing something right:santasmil

[Lokasenna]

Maybe you should get the ball rolling, Lokasenna. As a "card-carrying Medievalist" you must be into some weird stuff.


Oh yeah, you know, I'm all about girls in wimples...

Seriously, I'd be up for a discussion about it all, but I do wonder whether the mods would have something to say? After all, we're supposed to keep the place family friendly..? Perhaps we could have a ruling on it?

[JuniperWoolf]

It's interesting that no one had yet confessed to any particularly unusual fetishes... perhaps we are a very moderate crowd?:biggrinjester:

Haha, not moderate, but you're correct in observing that fetishes+litnet doesn't seem kosher.

Ah well, how many children do we usually get on litnet anyway?

[cacian]

Oh yeah, you know, I'm all about girls in wimples...

Seriously, I'd be up for a discussion about it all, but I do wonder whether the mods would have something to say? After all, we're supposed to keep the place family friendly..? Perhaps we could have a ruling on it?

This is serious discussion.
I thought it was Ok to discuss under this forum.
Maybe sending a message to the moderators would be a good idea?:santasmil


Haha, not moderate, but you're correct in observing that fetishes+litnet doesn't seem kosher.

Ah well, how many children do we usually get on litnet anyway?

agreed.
It is also under 'Serious Discussion'.
Best is to ask I suppose.

[Ecurb]

what does a 'ruby slippers' dance?
and anyway if your girlfriend is alright about then you are doing something right:santasmil

It's a swing band. My girlfiend is a good dancer -- but I can't dance to swing music (at least without embarrassing myself). "Ruby Slippers" is queen of the dance floor, and all the men who think they can dance line up to dance with her (although none are her equal). Of course her monicker comes from the red pumps she wore the only two times I've seen her.

We can't go tonight, though. I have to eschew my fetish for my fantasy basketball draft. One fantasy gives way to another!

Wimples are a bit tame, Lokasenna. I was thinking more along the lines of chastity belts. "Look what I found! A key!"

[cacian]

It's a swing band. My girlfiend is a good dancer -- but I can't dance to swing music (at least without embarrassing myself). "Ruby Slippers" is queen of the dance floor, and all the men who think they can dance line up to dance with her (although none are her equal). Of course her monicker comes from the red pumps she wore the only two times I've seen her.

We can't go tonight, though. I have to eschew my fetish for my fantasy basketball draft. One fantasy gives way to another!

Wimples are a bit tame, Lokasenna. I was thinking more along the lines of chastity belts. "Look what I found! A key!"

Dancing to swing music sounds fun.
At least it is not line dancing.:santasmil

Wimples are a bit tame, Lokasenna. I was thinking more along the lines of chastity belts. "Look what I found! A key

hehe...this is too funny:smilielol5:

[qimissung]

You know what would be fun? A ruby slipper dance or a ruby slipper "dance". They would both be fun I think.

I can't imagine what a ruby slipper dance would encompass, but based on it's very name it would have to be fun.

As would the lit-net ruby slipper dance, with everyone wearing ruby slippers. Awesome! That's my fantasy, and I'm sticking to it.

[Buh4Bee]

Qimi- If you slip on your ruby slippers and click your heals, maybe we will all show up for the dance!

[Bluehound]

Going back to the original question.
I think that everyone has fantisies and they tend to be more generalised. Fetishes are very specific and can become the only way that someone can.....enjoy them selves, which I imagine can become a bit of a problem, especial if you cant find a compatible partner.

[cacian]

Going back to the original question.
I think that everyone has fantisies and they tend to be more generalised. Fetishes are very specific and can become the only way that someone can.....enjoy them selves, which I imagine can become a bit of a problem, especial if you cant find a compatible partner.

I will be surprised if one cannot find a compatible partner.

[Bluehound]

Many people with normal apatites struggle to find a partner, I would have thought it gets even harder if you are looking for someone into a specific fetish.
A spot of light Noseplay anyone ?

[author1500less]

Fetishes and fantasies are horribly intermingled. In my neck of the woods it is exacerbated because people have the money to finance that type of lifestyle.

People in some ways have a right to do what they want in their own privacy. My problem is when I venture out unknowingly into those subcultural domains. To me it is foreign but for people living the "dream," they can't imagine life any other way.

Since school is over and I've been working I notice that most people never develop into adults. They just find the things that make them happy and stick with it. As for thinking through with things, well that will happen after an incident gets reported on the news.

[KCurtis]

Haha, not moderate, but you're correct in observing that fetishes+litnet doesn't seem kosher.

Ah well, how many children do we usually get on litnet anyway?.

I had a student last year (age 12) with a foot fetish. He would try to touch girls and women's feet. When my co-worker (age 59) took off her shoes due to pain one afternoon, he got very excited. :eek6:

[OrphanPip]

Fetishes and fantasies are horribly intermingled. In my neck of the woods it is exacerbated because people have the money to finance that type of lifestyle.

People in some ways have a right to do what they want in their own privacy. My problem is when I venture out unknowingly into those subcultural domains. To me it is foreign but for people living the "dream," they can't imagine life any other way.

Since school is over and I've been working I notice that most people never develop into adults. They just find the things that make them happy and stick with it. As for thinking through with things, well that will happen after an incident gets reported on the news.

Most people don't develop into adults because of blah blah blah arbitrary reason that justifies my childish sense of superiority towards others.

[stlukesguild]

I was thinking along the same lines, Pip.


I might add that it is interesting how everyone is avoiding the question with regard to their own "fetishes"... or shall we say "passions". I had expected that Alexander would have a great time with this thread.:ihih:

[stlukesguild]

http://theworldisinsane.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-o-matic/cache/fa5a8_fetish-roadmap.jpg

[JuniperWoolf]

I might add that it is interesting how everyone is avoiding the question with regard to their own "fetishes"... or shall we say "passions". I had expected that Alexander would have a great time with this thread.:ihih:

Haha, well, fetishes imply some fringe element to sexual gratification and if I were a betting person I'd say that Alexander's tastes are fairly... straightforward.

[BienvenuJDC]

http://theworldisinsane.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-o-matic/cache/fa5a8_fetish-roadmap.jpg

Everyone fits on here somewhere...few have the guts to say anything.

[Darcy88]

Everyone fits on here somewhere...few have the guts to say anything.

I may partake in a little "hamstering" from time to time, and now and then I have my lovers attire themselves in plush animal costumes, bunnies being my favourite, and here and there I might engage in a little harmless "pie play" (bumbleberry is the way to go), but I'm sure my sexual proclivities still fit well inside the norm.

[BienvenuJDC]

I may partake in a little "hamstering" from time to time, and now and then I have my lovers attire themselves in plush animal costumes, bunnies being my favourite, and here and there I might engage in a little harmless "pie play" (bumbleberry is the way to go), but I'm sure my sexual proclivities still fit well inside the norm.

:lol:
Funny....most everyone wants to hear everyone elses....until they actually hear them....then they want to UNhear them....:sad:

[Darcy88]

:lol:
Funny....most everyone wants to hear everyone elses....until they actually hear them....then they want to UNhear them....:sad:

I actually don't know what hamstering is. And I suspect I'd rather not know. On the chart is something called "mudlarking," which apparently is just inter-racial sex. I'm sure the overwhelming majority of people on here find members of other races attractive.

[BienvenuJDC]

I actually don't know what hamstering is. And I suspect I'd rather not know. On the chart is something called "mudlarking," which apparently is just inter-racial sex. I'm sure the overwhelming majority of people on here find members of other races attractive.

1) you're right...you don't want to know
2) I'm partial to Filipino women (Asian in general), however ANY accent gets my attention. Red hair is enticing (the moodiness.....eh?), so...yes, I'd agree with that
3) I'm uncertain if some things can even be shared on this site...

[Darcy88]

1) you're right...you don't want to know
2) I'm partial to Filipino women (Asian in general), however ANY accent gets my attention. Red hair is enticing (the moodiness.....eh?), so...yes, I'd agree with that
3) I'm uncertain if some things can even be shared on this site...

East Indian and Arab women for me. But this is all pretty tame. I'm waiting for someone to say something shocking that risks thread closure. A cute woman wearing glasses always fire me up, as strange as that comment sounds. But as far as fetishes go that is the tame of the tame.

[BienvenuJDC]

East Indian and Arab women for me. But this is all pretty tame. I'm waiting for someone to say something shocking that risks thread closure.

I'm certain that mine is pretty tame...even if I were to share it. It wouldn't close any threads down.

[Varenne Rodin]

I won't say what I like because I'm a nice girl.

I think you literary types are probably the kinkiest of humans. Something to do with sophistication and repression masking devilish id.

[OrphanPip]

Yes, apart from the whole gay thing, I have rather conventional taste. Though my ex accuses me of being a bit of a rice queen.

[PoeticPassions]

ok, ok, I'll admit it... I have a catholic priest fantasy (I blame Richard Chamberlain for this in the Thornbirds, which I saw when I was really young).

oh and in a confessional.... :D

[JuniperWoolf]

A cute woman wearing glasses always fire me up, as strange as that comment sounds.

Oi! What's so strange about that?

My boyfriend really likes the whole serious student look, with the high ponytail and the glasses and what not. For the first year or so I thought he was just trying to flatter me since that's what I most often look like, but after a few more years as we got more and more comfortable with one another... well... he's not pretending.


I'm a nice girl.

Haha, not me. I have a thing for fighters and soldiers. Anything Aries-like, really. :p

[Delta40]

so would you say that the fundamental difference between fantasy and fetish is that a person is unlikely to get sexual gratification unless they can engage in their fetish where a person can still have fufillment without putting fantasy into play?

[Bluehound]

That chart is quite fascinating. There are a few things on there that I have dabbled in and quite a few more that I am sure I would enjoy having a go at.
It's slightly disturbing to see how the things that I like relate to a few things I would not be interested in though.
Sploshing ( yes please) and clowns (eeek).

Edit: Yes Delta , that's how I see it. You play around with fantasies and don't necessarily need to act them out, then move on. Fetishism is more of an obsessive need.
Fetism also tends to involve specific objects or things as well (touching feet) where as fantasy is more in your imagination ( what would she look like in red high heeled shoes...mmmm).

[Delta40]

I see. Well I'm as exciting as the colours on the lit-net forum and don't have a fetish of any kind to confess. My fantasies are private.

Someone posted earlier that talking openly about fetishes helps people understand and I would assume that basic principle also applies to anyone who has even more unusual tastes, including criminal ones. So for those that don't have the freedom to openly talk about it, how is it that the public already 'understand' so much about them and so readily condemn?

I simply ask out of interest.

[Darcy88]

Oi! What's so strange about that?

My boyfriend really likes the whole serious student look, with the high ponytail and the glasses and what not. For the first year or so I thought he was just trying to flatter me since that's what I most often look like, but after a few more years as we got more and more comfortable with one another... well... he's not pretending.



I've just never heard of any guy sharing this particular attraction I have for women who wear glasses. I guess it makes sense, even from an evolutionary point of view. Glasses connote intelligence and the genes for intelligence and those genes should be highly desired by the invisible hand of natural selection. I just think they look hot.

[cacian]

I see. Well I'm as exciting as the colours on the lit-net forum and don't have a fetish of any kind to confess. My fantasies are private.

Someone posted earlier that talking openly about fetishes helps people understand and I would assume that basic principle also applies to anyone who has even more unusual tastes, including criminal ones. So for those that don't have the freedom to openly talk about it, how is it that the public already 'understand' so much about them and so readily condemn?

I simply ask out of interest.


So for those that don't have the freedom to openly talk about it, how is it that the public already 'understand' so much about them and so readily condemn
The whole point of it readily condemned is because people with extreme very rare 'fetishes' are unable to talk about it because of the nature of their 'fetish' and also because of the lack of being able to express them.
I would agree that if these concerned people found somewhere safe to talk about them then I believe there is much to be gained from and help and progress can be made to help them overcome it.
Airin concerns buy 'openly'talking about it is half the solution.
It takes guts to come out and speak about them but once it is done the rest is easire.

[Varenne Rodin]

Haha, not me. I have a thing for fighters and soldiers. Anything Aries-like, really. :p

Ha. I'm a nice girl...in polite company.*

If we're talking about superficial preferences, I tend toward tallish people because I am somewhat tall. I grew up in San Diego, so I have a healthy dislike of military types. That being said, someone authoritative can be fun to rebel against. I like writers.

[JuniperWoolf]

I've just never heard of any guy sharing this particular attraction I have for women who wear glasses.

What?!? Really? But I depend on the librarian fetish! How ever am I going to make my break in the porn industry now? :nopity:

[Darcy88]

What?!? Really? But I depend on the librarian fetish! How ever am I going to make my break in the porn industry now? :nopity:

I think your success in the porn industry is assured, glasses or not.

I use reading glasses when studying for exams or for otherwise epic reading sessions. I also like wearing them in bars. They do a good job of keeping the trashy riff-raff away.

[tonywalt]

I prefer short, but definately Snappy. It's become almost a fun fetish. I'm 6'2 so the petite thing is, mmmm, dunno.

Short 'n snappy-yum.

[JuniperWoolf]

I think your success in the porn industry is assured, glasses or not.

Haha, d'aww, that's the sweetest thing anyone's ever said to me. Last year when I told everyone that my irl nickname is "rabbit" Pip asked if it was because I share the same coprophagia habbit that they exhibit, and suggested that I might be the next star of "2 Girls, 1 Cup." Maybe that could be my next schtick if the librarian thing doesn't pan out, it turns out that it isn't as niche a fetish as you'd think.

[Darcy88]

Haha, d'aww, that's the sweetest thing anyone's ever said to me. Last year when I told everyone that my irl nickname is "rabbit" Pip asked if it was because I share the same coprophagia habbit that they exhibit, and suggested that I might be the next star of "2 Girls, 1 Cup." Maybe that could be my next schtick if the librarian thing doesn't pan out, it turns out that it isn't as niche a fetish as you'd think.

Corophagia eh, you learn something new everyday. I think I'm done with these scrambled eggs.

[cacian]

I prefer short, but definately Snappy. It's become almost a fun fetish. I'm 6'2 so the petite thing is, mmmm, dunno.

Short 'n snappy-yum.

what kind of snapping are you talking about?

[cacian]

I was juts discussing the word Fetish that came up in article featuring desirable gadgets as being the Fetish of the year.
I had always assumed that fetish had a sexual connotation but I have been told that it is more of a liking or a strong desire towards an object rather then a person.
so I asked did have anything to do with sexual contact ie two people.
the answer was no it was more to do with the usage of a given object that makes the whole sexual experience different such as in:
whipping or spanking.
Anyone would like to comment?

[Bluehound]

Corophagia eh, you learn something new everyday. I think I'm done with these scrambled eggs.


I think (leaving all the downright illegal/immoral stuff to one side) , that has to be the hardest fetish to comprehend.
I watched Salo late one night out of curiosity once and didn't make it the whole way through :sick:

[JuniperWoolf]

I think (leaving all the downright illegal/immoral stuff to one side) , that has to be the hardest fetish to comprehend.


I don't know, South Park made me aware of the vomit fetish. I'd say that's at least tied.

[tonywalt]

what kind of snapping are you talking about?

Snappy = Fiesty

[LunarPlexus]

I don't know, South Park made me aware of the vomit fetish. I'd say that's at least tied.

Ah yes, "Roman Showers". Why "Roman"?!?

Were the ancient Romans in the habit of vomiting on each other? Never got that one...

[LunarPlexus]

I think (leaving all the downright illegal/immoral stuff to one side) , that has to be the hardest fetish to comprehend.
I watched Salo late one night out of curiosity once and didn't make it the whole way through :sick:


I watched Salo ONCE, myself. It was pretty hard to look away. I just wanted to see it so I could find out if any of those awful scenes I'd read about had any kind of CONTEXT. I suspect they did, but I must have missed it. There was a weird kind of poetry to it, with the elderly ladies and their chipper chat-accompanied-by-piano, but all the other stuff sort of outweighed that. I do NOT need to see it a second time, although I did need a couple of showers afterwards to wash the slime off of my brain!