Three word description of yourself....

[Abookinthebath]

.....BUT list three of you main flaws!! Anyone can pick their own good points!

For me....

1. Egotistical
2. Selfish(ish!)
3. Perfectionist

Wow. I sound like a great person from those!

[JuniperWoolf]

Hmmm...

1. Contentious
2. Morbid
3. Flippant

[Alexander III]

1.Bored
2.Sardonic
3.Sloth

[The Comedian]

1. manipulates-the-rules
2. water
3. timid

[PoeticPassions]

1. Impatient
2. Moody (or capricious)
3. Melancholy

[MarkBastable]

1. Facetious
2. Facetious
3. Facetious

[Helga]

1. self-centered
2. lazy
3. boring

[Vonny]

1. aspiring ...(to be self-centered, since I people-watch too much)

2. aspiring ...(to be lazy)

3. aspiring ...(to be boring, split personalities are not such a good thing)

[Sionn Harrow]

1. Moody
2. Cynical
3. Arrogant

Hm.

[L.M. The Third]

1. Egotistical
2. Snobbish
3. Indolent

[Lokasenna]

1. Optimistic.
2. Wry.
3. Nice.

...yep.

[Vonny]

In my book, nice is all that counts. :) The other two are also nice, but less important.

Hmm, people in my life are nice, but tend to be way too pessimistic, I just realized

[Delta40]

Optimistic
*****y
Creative

[papayahed]

Self-Centered
Impatient
Acid-tongued

[cafolini]

explore discover divulge

[Vonny]

I confuse many things. There's a difference between wry and acid-tongued, but I think in the past I've mistaken wry for acid-tongued. Wry is charming and acid-tongued...

well as Aunt Em said in the wizard of oz..."Being a Christian woman, I won't say it" ...a joke, by the way, it's horrendous - the things I say!



"Elvira Gulch, I've been waiting to tell you what I think of you for years, and now, being a Christian woman, I can't say it."

[Scheherazade]

1. aspiring ...(to be self-centered, since I people-watch too much)

2. aspiring ...(to be lazy)

3. aspiring ...(to be boring, split personalities are not such a good thing)Oh, Vonny does not seem to have any flaws naturally so she is trying to acquire them... So that those of us who are less than perfect do not feel bad, probably!

:smilewinkgrin:


My list:

- Stubborn

- Cynical

- Tendency to be facetious (though I have been trying very hard not to be so)

- Prone to bouts of laziness

- Prone to voluntary introversion

- Borderline OCD


Does it have to be three? I can still carry on...

*edit*

- Inability to learn English "properly" despite years of practice. *sigh*

[Abookinthebath]

Oh, Vonny does not seem to have any flaws naturally so she is trying to acquire them... So that those of us who are less than perfect do not feel bad, probably!

:smilewinkgrin:


My list:

- Stubborn

- Cynical

- Tendency to be facetious (though I have been working on this a lot)

- Prone to bouts of laziness

- Prone to voluntary introversion

- Borderline OCD


Does it have to be three? I can still carry on...

Good to know you are working hard at being facetious! :p

[Scheherazade]

Good to know you are working hard at being facetious! :pYes, it doesn't come so naturally to some of us!

Fine, fine... Pick on the ESOL girl with her poor English... I will go and edit it...

:svengo:

[Abookinthebath]

Yes, it doesn't come so naturally to some of us!

Fine, fine... Pick on the girl with her poor English... I will go and edit it...

:svengo:

i wouldn't bother - I was just being.....facetious!! :p

[papayahed]

I confuse many things. There's a difference between wry and acid-tongued, but I think in the past I've mistaken wry for acid-tongued. Wry is charming and acid-tongued...

well as Aunt Em said in the wizard of oz..."Being a Christian woman, I won't say it" ...a joke, by the way, it's horrendous - the things I say!



"Elvira Gulch, I've been waiting to tell you what I think of you for years, and now, being a Christian woman, I can't say it."


Really? My aunt used to say "If you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all."

[MarkBastable]

Really? My aunt used to say "If you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all."


Well, I'll tell you what I have to say about people who trot out that kind of homily.


" "

[papayahed]

" "

Hey, Hey, Hey. This is an all ages forum, there's no call for that kind of talk Mister.

[Vonny]

Oh, Vonny does not seem to have any flaws naturally so she is trying to acquire them... So that those of us who are less than perfect do not feel bad, probably!

:smilewinkgrin:

That's right Scher, there's a few good role models on the forum. You may see flaws, but we'll wait and see how her child describes her - he'll have plenty of words in his vocabulary to express himself - probably even more than she does. And she'll get a tour of her home-country.

[Scheherazade]

That's right Scher, there's a few good role models on the forum. You may see flaws, but we'll wait and see how her child describes her - he'll have plenty of words in his vocabulary to express himself - probably even more than she does. And she'll get a tour of her home-country.This is truly one of those rare occassions I feel that my English fails me; I have no idea what you mean... Not that it matters.

[Vonny]

This is truly one of those rare occassions I feel that my English fails me; I have no idea what you mean... Not that it matters.

Well honestly, I doubt if self-centered is exactly the word that describes [a certain kind of woman]. But what happens with moms like that is, their kids turn out to have more extensive vocabularies than they do. A child of [a certain kind of woman] is likely to say, "My mother was centered on what was most important, on what mattered."

Over generations the people in those cultures get smarter and smarter instead of dumber and dumber.

[MarkBastable]

Well honestly, I doubt if self-centered is exactly the word that describes [a certain kind of woman]. But what happens with moms like that is, their kids turn out to have more extensive vocabularies than they do. A child of [a certain kind of woman] is likely to say, "My mother was centered on what was most important, on what mattered."

Over generations the people in those cultures get smarter and smarter instead of dumber and dumber.


Apparently my English fails me too.

[Vonny]

Apparently my English fails me too.

I'm glad to know you're facetious - 3 times! Mystery solved. I can be facetious at times, too.

[papayahed]

I'm surprised Passive-aggressiveness hasn't made any lists yet.

[Vonny]

I'm surprised Passive-aggressiveness hasn't made any lists yet.

I am too, because I tell you, that's the main personality trait I observe in people today.

My mom is passive/aggressive, and my brother was saying recently that he thinks this is the most difficult personality in the world to deal with.

[irinmisfit92]

1. B*tchy
2. Impatient
3. Eccentric

[Vonny]

1. B*tchy
2. Impatient
3. Eccentric

But b*tchy and impatient is typical. How can you also be eccentric - if this is defined as unusual?

[papayahed]

But b*tchy and impatient is typical. How can you also be eccentric - if this is defined as unusual?

Why can't irin be all three?

[Vonny]

Why can't irin be all three?

I didn't say she can't. I asked, "How can you be...?"

[papayahed]

I didn't say she can't. I asked, "How can you be...?"


I was just asking because I don't see how the three are mutually exclusive.

[MarkBastable]

I didn't say she can't. I asked, "How can you be...?"


Perhaps because she's not only three things.

[Vonny]

Perhaps because she's not only three things.

I thought of this. But if you're listing your 3 main characteristics and the last one is eccentric, wouldn't it look possibly something like this:


1. intelligent

2. idealistic

3. eccentric


If you're atypical, why would 2 out of 3 of your main traits (b*tchy, impatient) be the most typical found in the population?

[MarkBastable]

I thought of this. But if you're listing your 3 main characteristics and the last one is eccentric, wouldn't it look possibly something like this:


1. intelligent

2. idealistic

3. eccentric


If you're atypical, why would 2 out of 3 of your main traits (b*tchy, impatient) be the most typical found in the population?

First, I can't see why you think that 'intelligent' and 'idealistic' are less prevalent in the population than 'b itchy' and 'impatient'.

Second, the thread was about listing your bad traits, so 'idealistic' and 'intelligent' aren't likely to be in there for most people.

Third, another thing.

Fourth, something else.

Fifth, as usual, I have no real idea what you're on about, so it's really difficult to come up with a reasoned and measured response.

[MystyrMystyry]

I have no negative attributes :)

[Vonny]

First, I can't see why you think that 'intelligent' and 'idealistic' are less prevalent in the population than 'b itchy' and 'impatient'.

Second, the thread was about listing your bad traits, so 'idealistic' and 'intelligent' aren't likely to be in there for most people.

Third, another thing.

Fourth, something else.

Fifth, as usual, I have no real idea what you're on about, so it's really difficult to come up with a reasoned and measured response.

Is the thread about bad characteristics?? People are listing the characteristics they're cultivating in themselves.

If you know that you are contentious, and contentiousness is a bad trait, why list it proudly and then be as contentious as possible every moment of your life?


I think that, in the general population, intelligent and idealistic are not admired characteristics by most people, as much as inane and nihilistic.



One person listed traits that I'd be fine with having as my worst traits:

1. self-centered .....tending your own business
2. lazy .....not being driven to death
3. boring ....a person who can relate on a human level rather than being obsessed with clever and contentious conversation.

Also, this person isn't self-centered as in "selfish", and isn't lazy or boring in the usual sense.



I just wonder why people think it's cute to be b*itchy, impatient, arrogant, borderline, flippant, snobbish, etc.? And most of these people are or will become parents.


Mark - What, no reasoned and measured response? From you?

Mystery, I'm glad you're not a b*tch, and proud of it. It's possible you're a b*tch and don't realize it -we're all human.

[papayahed]

[COLOR="Navy"]Is the thread about bad characteristics?? People are listing the characteristics they're cultivating in themselves.


Erm, no people are listing their flaws. Please see the original post:


.....BUT list three of you main flaws!! Anyone can pick their own good points!




If you know that you are contentious, and contentiousness is a bad trait, why list it proudly and then be as contentious as possible every moment of your life?

see above.



I just wonder why people think it's cute to be b*itchy, impatient, arrogant, borderline, flippant, snobbish, etc.? And most of these people are or will become parents.

I don't believe anybody said it was cute or were proud of their flaws. You seem to be the only one making judgments in this thread.

[Vonny]

If anyone cares to know what I said, please read my version in my post, which is above the twisting that is in between my last post and this one.

Because I'm not going to address that twisting.

[NikolaiI]

Oh man - see what happens when I'm gone? :p

MystrMystry - I'm in agreement with you. Or perhaps I'll take an osho-like stance on this and say; flaws are not flaws because they make you who you are. :)

But honestly, a lot my flaws have become strengths because I don't like having weaknesses, and I work on them. .

So perhaps I should say, some of my past flaws are. .

1) an inability to be chatty at times when it's expected
2) being nervous
3) being lazy

But really - when you look for flaws, they are there, but if you look for the good in people and don't look for the bad, and don't worry when you see some flaw, then it makes things sooo much different. If you do so, and you don't worry when people don't act like you think they should, then you'll find you can get along with almost everybody. And if you are unconcerned with people's flaws - as they say, be strict with yourself but gentle and tolerant to others - it tends to show and others appreciate it, and naturally respond to it, and like you a whole lot more. A lot of this Dale Carnegie discovered; I haven't read his book fully but I'm sort of discovering this things myself.

Of course it's not perfect and you'll always occasionally have frictions, but I really think it's true that the more you are both concerned with your own actions and words living up to your standards of morality; and tolerant and accepting towards others, the more people treat you in kind and give you space, peace or respect, whichever you wish. I think Carnegie is right, those principles of getting along with people, winning their respect, ring true. People love a receptive listener.

[Vonny]

But you know what Nikolai?

It doesn't work for children. Do you know how many children have parents who are b*tchy, sarcastic, impatient, contentious, borderline and flippant?

If you're a child and you have this kind of parent, it doesn't help to try to see the good in the parent or to try to treat her better.

What happens to a child is she will say, "I deserve the way I'm treated by this b*tch."


And I don't understand why people say, "I'm a b*tch," and then remain one.

I do understand the concept of "Let people be who they are," however sometimes these people really hurt others, and I don't understand why today being a b*tch is seen as a virtue.

I think if people want to say, "I'm a b*tch and it's not a flaw because it makes me who I am :)," then fine, but certainly they should not be allowed to have children, and I think it should be fair to discriminate against them in the workplace.

I wonder why "evil" hasn't made it onto the lists yet?

[kevinthediltz]

Jealous
Vengeful
Short tempered

[Vonny]

Well, it is good that people are honest.

I suppose it's worse if someone is a b*tch, jealous and vengeful and pretends to be something else.

I know that vengeful is kind of a joke. And the next one will be ax-murderer.



But I'm glad I'm an adult now and can choose to have limited contact with these people.

Perhaps I'm staid, but I grew up with a man who kicked and hacked up animals.

I want to say to men too, if you think that contentious, b*tchy and flippant, vengeful - whatever - are sexy traits and want to defend that, it will come back to bite you at some point, you will end up on the receiving end of that.

[MarkBastable]

Is the thread about bad characteristics?? .

Yes, it is. I quote from the original post...


list three of you main flaws!!

[Vonny]

Yes, it is. I quote from the original post...


list three of you main flaws!!

you messed up Mark

why didn't you say:

1. ax murderer

2. blood sucker

3. child molester


The OP also said, "Anyone can pick their own good points!" So it's not clear to me if this is flaws or good points.

[NikolaiI]

Yes, I know, Vonny. I perhaps more than anyone here can understand what you are saying. When I was a child, my mother was all of those things. It took me nine years - it's a gradual proces, but it's been nine years since things really came to a head - to completely heal from those scars. There's no easy answer to those questions, but you will answer them, and you have to answer them yourself. "There's no knowledge that isn't discovered," or something like that.

You know when I struggle in my life, and if ever I come to my dad to help, he's gotten into a habit of saying "remember what John (Lennon) said. There are no problems in life, only solutions." And usually I have already thought things through, and have come to a solution, and sometimes it seems a little bit funny that he'd say this, that it can't be that helpful, but he says it out of love, and I know that's what it is, just the thought and the encouragement. What's always been more helpful is the other Beetle, George's advice, All things must pass. My dad gives me that one if things are even worse.

I know that there are children of abusive parents, and I know how much pain that can cause a child. I do. In the court battle my mom was continually fighting for custody of my brother and me, someone, I don't remember who (oh how it sounds like a war story) got the request in through the mediators (there were mediators near the end) that everyone should take a psyche test. So everyone took a psyche evaluation, and my mother's test showed that she had several personality disorders, including borderline personality disorder. So I looked up what that meant, and found that they were all fairly descriptive of my mother's actions.

A little later an event took place and I had to testify in court and finally, the nightmare was over. I didn't have to see her anymore. I was fourteen. And I didn't see her again for 3 years.

6 years later we finally healed our relationship. I don't think of her in the same way (once again, a very gradual evolution), that is, I don't think of her as having any emotional disorder, I mean literally I don't at all; she has her flaws but being a b*tch and being evil, both of which I once believed sincerely, as evidenced by everything she said and did, all the harm for utterly no reason, etc., etc., but that is all ancient past. Everything is new at every moment, and everything is always changing. I don't know if she improved as a person, or I did, or if the universe conspired or a miracle. I mean certainly nothing miraculous but just that sheer pain and dislike (I won't mention the more harsh word I would have 9 years ago) could be eventually transformed into a healthy relationship - I don't know. I do believe in God, and I thank him for everything in my life, but no, nothing miraculous happened.

Maybe I am lucky. In fact, I know without a shadow of a doubt that I am one of the luckiest persons on the planet. To be born with my genes, which in all objectivity are some of the best. . . with my parents, in this place, and all the teachers and mentors I've been lucky enough to have. . . without any doubt I am one of the most blessed. Even my experience with my mother. . . and the anguish and anxiety I felt, served a good purpose in that it made me keenly aware of how people interact, and how to see the truth in many situations in which others have no clue. It's like my senses were sharpened. And now, one of the best things - my ability to judge the good and bad in people; I don't know anyone who has an equal skill. I could give an example or two but that would be too far into that particular tangent.

My point of that paragraph - oh and I realize I really went off into tangent there - was to say I was lucky but others have not been. I know that some people do not have the fairy-tale ending I had with my mother. I was lucky that she did not have custody of me, for the problems I had with her would have been more intense, perhaps - and I wouldn't have had the three years off that I did, that I needed, to one day restore a relationship with her.

For others - again, I have no easy answers, and again; every person must find the answers themselves, although taking shelter in a trusted friend is perhaps, if not necessary, then extremely helpful at times; although later on in life I've found solitude one of my favorite times. I guess I cannot truly speak for those who have suffered most, because I have in my life had more trusted friends than I can count.

Something you said previously definitely caught my attention, for it's something I've known almost all my life, and just happened to think about earlier today. Or yesterday. And it's almost killing me I can so nearly but not quite recall the time and setting. Anyhow - you said children are smarter than their parents. . . what I've known and what passed my mind recently was that children are generally emotionally healthier than their parents. It's observed, to the point of proof, that children have less emotional disorders, substance abuse issues, etc., than their parents, and have them to a less measurable degree. Both of my parents came from broken homes. My mother's mother was far, far more abusive to her than she ever was to me. She would hit her, abuse her, and the stories of emotional abuse, I couldn't even describe. That is something I've always taken into consideration. And my mother defended her mother in a way. She was never in denial about the treatment she got, but she always loved her mother and felt a duty to her.

She turned out better. Children always do. That's why I love my mother. And it certainly gives one hope for the future, doesn't it? That's why I am an incorrigible optimist. The facts don't lie. :]

[Vonny]

Yes, I know, Vonny. I perhaps more than anyone here can understand what you are saying. When I was a child, my mother was all of those things. It took me nine years - it's a gradual proces, but it's been nine years since things really came to a head - to completely heal from those scars. There's no easy answer to those questions, but you will answer them, and you have to answer them yourself. "There's no knowledge that isn't discovered," or something like that.

You know when I struggle in my life, and if ever I come to my dad to help, he's gotten into a habit of saying "remember what John (Lennon) said. There are no problems in life, only solutions." And usually I have already thought things through, and have come to a solution, and sometimes it seems a little bit funny that he'd say this, that it can't be that helpful, but he says it out of love, and I know that's what it is, just the thought and the encouragement. What's always been more helpful is the other Beetle, George's advice, All things must pass. My dad gives me that one if things are even worse.

I know that there are children of abusive parents, and I know how much pain that can cause a child. I do. In the court battle my mom was continually fighting for custody of my brother and me, someone, I don't remember who (oh how it sounds like a war story) got the request in through the mediators (there were mediators near the end) that everyone should take a psyche test. So everyone took a psyche evaluation, and my mother's test showed that she had several personality disorders, including borderline personality disorder. So I looked up what that meant, and found that they were all fairly descriptive of my mother's actions.

A little later an event took place and I had to testify in court and finally, the nightmare was over. I didn't have to see her anymore. I was fourteen. And I didn't see her again for 3 years.

6 years later we finally healed our relationship. I don't think of her in the same way (once again, a very gradual evolution), that is, I don't think of her as having any emotional disorder, I mean literally I don't at all; she has her flaws but being a b*tch and being evil, both of which I once believed sincerely, as evidenced by everything she said and did, all the harm for utterly no reason, etc., etc., but that is all ancient past. Everything is new at every moment, and everything is always changing. I don't know if she improved as a person, or I did, or if the universe conspired or a miracle. I mean certainly nothing miraculous but just that sheer pain and dislike (I won't mention the more harsh word I would have 9 years ago) could be eventually transformed into a healthy relationship - I don't know. I do believe in God, and I thank him for everything in my life, but no, nothing miraculous happened.

Maybe I am lucky. In fact, I know without a shadow of a doubt that I am one of the luckiest persons on the planet. To be born with my genes, which in all objectivity are some of the best. . . with my parents, in this place, and all the teachers and mentors I've been lucky enough to have. . . without any doubt I am one of the most blessed. Even my experience with my mother. . . and the anguish and anxiety I felt, served a good purpose in that it made me keenly aware of how people interact, and how to see the truth in many situations in which others have no clue. It's like my senses were sharpened. And now, one of the best things - my ability to judge the good and bad in people; I don't know anyone who has an equal skill. I could give an example or two but that would be too far into that particular tangent.

My point of that paragraph - oh and I realize I really went off into tangent there - was to say I was lucky but others have not been. I know that some people do not have the fairy-tale ending I had with my mother. I was lucky that she did not have custody of me, for the problems I had with her would have been more intense, perhaps - and I wouldn't have had the three years off that I did, that I needed, to one day restore a relationship with her.

For others - again, I have no easy answers, and again; every person must find the answers themselves, although taking shelter in a trusted friend is perhaps, if not necessary, then extremely helpful at times; although later on in life I've found solitude one of my favorite times. I guess I cannot truly speak for those who have suffered most, because I have in my life had more trusted friends than I can count.

Something you said previously definitely caught my attention, for it's something I've known almost all my life, and just happened to think about earlier today. Or yesterday. And it's almost killing me I can so nearly but not quite recall the time and setting. Anyhow - you said children are smarter than their parents. . . what I've known and what passed my mind recently was that children are generally emotionally healthier than their parents. It's observed, to the point of proof, that children have less emotional disorders, substance abuse issues, etc., than their parents, and have them to a less measurable degree. Both of my parents came from broken homes. My mother's mother was far, far more abusive to her than she ever was to me. She would hit her, abuse her, and the stories of emotional abuse, I couldn't even describe. That is something I've always taken into consideration. And my mother defended her mother in a way. She was never in denial about the treatment she got, but she always loved her mother and felt a duty to her.

She turned out better. Children always do. That's why I love my mother. And it certainly gives one hope for the future, doesn't it? That's why I am an incorrigible optimist. The facts don't lie. :]

This is lovely Nikolai! I'll give this up now :)

[MarkBastable]

you messed up Mark

why didn't you say:

1. ax murderer

2. blood sucker

3. child molester

Er, because I'm not.



The OP also said, "Anyone can pick their own good points!" So it's not clear to me if this is flaws or good points.

Then allow me to make it clear.

When the OP said 'list three of you main flaws!! Anyone can pick their good points' he meant "list your bad points, which is more challenging than listing your good points - because anyone could do that."

I know he meant that because it's the only way of reading it that isn't contradictory and confusing - as you discovered when you tried to get it to mean something else.

[Vonny]

Er, because I'm not.


I know. :D You're facetious, facetious, facetious.




Then allow me to make it clear.

When the OP said 'list three of you main flaws!! Anyone can pick their good points' he meant "list your bad points, which is more challenging than listing your good points - because anyone could do that."

I know he meant that because it's the only way of reading it that isn't contradictory and confusing - as you discovered when you tried to get it to mean something else.


The title says "Three word description of yourself..." I never studied Greek, so I can't figure out what you did. :)

[TurquoiseSunset]

.....BUT list three of you main flaws!! Anyone can pick their own good points!

Mine are:
1) Irritable.
2) Perfectionist.
3) Extremely selfish with my time.

[Vonny]

Mine are:
1) Irritable.
2) Perfectionist.
3) Extremely selfish with my time.


I will say one last thing. Everyone has flaws, of course. To get rid of all of them would make us crazy, and we are human, even Mystery.

I have these flaws listed by Turquoise. I'm irritable on occasion, not everyday.

[Scheherazade]

This thread was started, no doubt, relying very much on the good humour and honesty of all.

However, when we start judging and trying to impose our own values and expectations on others,
it becomes very difficult to carry on with the same humour and honesty.

No one in this thread stated that they were "proud" of their flaws and most expressed their intention to work on them...

Twisting these comments to pass judgements on their parenting skills is very much against the grain of this thread and this Forum.

Since this thread has lost its orginal spirit, it will now be closed.

Bath ~ Please feel free to start another one if you still would like to carry on.