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G L Wilson
09-10-2011, 12:09 AM
Oh, He hates them alright. With a passion, He does.

Genesis 9: 18-27.
Leviticus 21: 16-24, especially 21: 18.

Calidore
09-10-2011, 09:58 AM
That would be:

9:18 The sons of Noah who came out of the ark were Shem, Ham, and Japheth. (Now Ham was the father of Canaan.)44 9:19 These were the sons of Noah, and from them the whole earth was populated.45

9:20 Noah, a man of the soil,46 began to plant a vineyard.47 9:21 When he drank some of the wine, he got drunk and uncovered himself48 inside his tent. 9:22 Ham, the father of Canaan,49 saw his father’s nakedness50 and told his two brothers who were outside. 9:23 Shem and Japheth took the garment51 and placed it on their shoulders. Then they walked in backwards and covered up their father’s nakedness. Their faces were turned52 the other way so they did not see their father’s nakedness.

9:24 When Noah awoke from his drunken stupor53 he learned54 what his youngest son had done55 to him. 9:25 So he said,

“Cursed56 be Canaan!57

The lowest of slaves58

he will be to his brothers.”

9:26 He also said,

“Worthy of praise is59 the Lord, the God of Shem!

May Canaan be the slave of Shem!60

9:27 May God enlarge Japheth’s territory and numbers!61

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Rules for the Priesthood

21:16 The Lord spoke to Moses: 21:17 “Tell Aaron, ‘No man from your descendants throughout their generations27 who has a physical flaw28 is to approach to present the food of his God. 21:18 Certainly29 no man who has a physical flaw is to approach: a blind man, or one who is lame, or one with a slit nose,30 or a limb too long, 21:19 or a man who has had a broken leg or arm,31 21:20 or a hunchback, or a dwarf,32 or one with a spot in his eye,33 or a festering eruption, or a feverish rash,34 or a crushed testicle. 21:21 No man from the descendants of Aaron the priest who has a physical flaw may step forward35 to present the Lord’s gifts; he has a physical flaw, so he must not step forward to present the food of his God. 21:22 He may eat both the most holy and the holy food of his God, 21:23 but he must not go into the veil-canopy36 or step forward to the altar because he has a physical flaw. Thus37 he must not profane my holy places, for I am the Lord who sanctifies them.’”

21:24 So38 Moses spoke these things39 to Aaron, his sons, and all the Israelites.

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No mention of "black" anywhere. Either you're substituting "black" for "slave" or "physical flaw" in your own mind, or you've been listening too hard to someone else who has.

G L Wilson
09-10-2011, 04:41 PM
The KJV says "...he that hath a flat nose..." (Leviticus 21: 18)

Calidore
09-10-2011, 05:28 PM
The KJV says "...he that hath a flat nose..." (Leviticus 21: 18)

Seems like a translation issue. Here's the NET Bible's translators' note:

30tn Lexically, the Hebrew term חָרֻם (kharum) seems to refer to a split nose or perhaps any number of other facial defects (HALOT 354 s.v. II חרם qal; cf. G. J. Wenham, Leviticus [NICOT], 292, n. 7); cf. KJV, ASV “a flat nose”; NASB “a disfigured face.”

Even taking the KJV version, many of these events occurred close to or in Africa, so what may seem like a flat nose to us may have been normal to them. We don't even know exactly what they looked like. So, assigning a racial prejudice to a single facial feature---I'd be careful of making mountains out of molehills of that sort.

G L Wilson
09-10-2011, 07:10 PM
Brigham Young even put the mark of Cain down onto black people. But, as for a definition for kharum, one comment is to "a flat nose, like that of an ape."

Drkshadow03
09-10-2011, 08:07 PM
Translation issue. Nothing about black people at all in either of those verses.

However, historically there have been people who have distorted the Noah story to claim the Bible endorses slavery.

G L Wilson
09-10-2011, 08:38 PM
Translation issue. Nothing about black people at all in either of those verses.

However, historically there have been people who have distorted the Noah story to claim the Bible endorses slavery.

It doesn't matter what you say or do, everything will always be peachy in wonderland, it seems.

Drkshadow03
09-10-2011, 10:35 PM
It doesn't matter what you say or do, everything will always be peachy in wonderland, it seems.

What are you rambling on about now?