Why does God hate so much?

[G L Wilson]

Is God the ultimate bigot?

[Calidore]

No, but the people who claimed to speak for him inserted their own bigotries.

[G L Wilson]

People are their own gods.

[YesNo]

People are their own gods.

I remember a quote from you from a different thread:


I hate everyone. I am not prejudiced.

You now want to know why God hates so much and whether God is the ultimate bigot.

I didn't think you even believed in God, but surely you do believe in yourself. What God is bothering you?

[G L Wilson]

The comment that I hated all people was made flippantly. I think in answer to a charge of antisemitism if I remember right.

In answer to your new question, God doesn't bother me - people do.

[MarkBastable]

The comment that I hated all people was made flippantly. I think in answer to a charge of antisemitism if I remember right.

In answer to your new question, God doesn't bother me - people do.

It's mutual.

[osho]

Gods are bigots since there are too many gods, and they warring. Gods created in men's images and natures have a lot of bigotry in their behavior, for the Gods we have invented do not rise above and beyond our own images and conceptions.

If you read scriptures, whether Hindu or Biblical or any other you will find your gods constricted into your own prejudices.

Is there something called Universal God? And that God can rise above your personal God's statures

[G L Wilson]

Gods are bigots since there are too many gods, and they warring. Gods created in men's images and natures have a lot of bigotry in their behavior, for the Gods we have invented do not rise above and beyond our own images and conceptions.

If you read scriptures, whether Hindu or Biblical or any other you will find your gods constricted into your own prejudices.

Is there something called Universal God? And that God can rise above your personal God's statures

I think that a universal god would be universally spiteful.

[Delta40]

Rather like the Government causing dissension amongst the unions really but then I'm sure the hue and cry over a universal union would be just as loud. You can't have it both ways.

[G L Wilson]

Rather like the Government causing dissension amongst the unions really but then I'm sure the hue and cry over a universal union would be just as loud. You can't have it both ways.

Divide and conquer? I don't think that I will be conquering anyone today.

[osho]

I think that a universal god would be universally spiteful.

The Universal God is not a personal God like any Hindu or Biblical or Islamic Gods. It is beyond worldly attributes and has little to do with the ones we associate with any worldly phenomena or scriptural descriptions.

It is you and me and the rest of the world threaded by that spirit and this is not a material or anything; it is sheer consciousnesses manifest through our consciousness. This state is beyond the attributes like Good or Bad, the sacred and the profane. God is just word and I am not talking about it.I am talking about the eternal truth beyond science and religion. This is a very subtle issue I have yet to discover for myself

[G L Wilson]

The Universal God is not a personal God like any Hindu or Biblical or Islamic Gods. It is beyond worldly attributes and has little to do with the ones we associate with any worldly phenomena or scriptural descriptions.

It is you and me and the rest of the world threaded by that spirit and this is not a material or anything; it is sheer consciousnesses manifest through our consciousness. This state is beyond the attributes like Good or Bad, the sacred and the profane. God is just word and I am not talking about it.I am talking about the eternal truth beyond science and religion. This is a very subtle issue I have yet to discover for myself

Nothing will convince the convinced, of that I am quite sure.

[osho]

Nothing will convince the convinced, of that I am quite sure.

This is called bigotry, the bigotry of the theist and of the atheist and both of these followers are in a quandary, lost and muffled.

I believe that we are not at a stage of conclusion and if we conclude we will be lost into the world of darkness.

[G L Wilson]

Death is the end. I cannot say that I am looking forward to it but then I cannot say that I am not.

[osho]

Death is the end. I cannot say that I am looking forward to it but then I cannot say that I am not.

Death is the end or beginning is yet to be explored. You cannot say what death is and your conclusion is based on what medical science has said and science is still in its infancy when it comes to explaining some of the profound truths.

Death is an unknown domain and you do not the zone you will visit after it.
Do not confuse yourself with the nonsense you have inherited in society through education or learning from your near and dear ones.

Go beyond these delimiting parameters to understand your limitless powers.

[G L Wilson]

I know nothing but that I will die.

[osho]

I know nothing but that I will die.

My friend, I out of humility want to say you do not know, neither I do, you will die for you do not know your state after death. Maybe death is a short respite or not. We will have yet to explore. I do not want to borrow religious diction or the words of wisdom by anybody else.

I understand your predicament, and do not want to brag about mine. I just want to conclude.

[G L Wilson]

I too wish to conclude but I will wait for death.

[osho]

I too wish to conclude but I will wait for death.

Yes everybody will have to experience it and every truth in the universe will be disclosed to man and all he has to do is wait, infinitely.

[G L Wilson]

Space is infinite, man is not.

[cl154576]

Yes everybody will have to experience it and every truth in the universe will be disclosed to man and all he has to do is wait, infinitely.

What if no truth is ever disclosed?
Why should it be? Why do people always look for happy endings?

[G L Wilson]

What if no truth is ever disclosed?
Why should it be? Why do people always look for happy endings?

"Jesus loves me. This I know
Because the Bible tells me so."

[Arrowni]

What if no truth is ever disclosed?
Why should it be? Why do people always look for happy endings?



Because of language. Language has taught humans to think that finality and consequence are universal rules, because they are logically sound in a semanthic way. In truth, there is are no real ends, as your identity isn't even consistent with the length of your life, your cells die every day, in many ways you're long dead.

[Griffith]

What is wrong with hate?? Critics who use a christian quality(love) to attack a christian god are morons. God loves the good ones and the strong ones. The unbeliever deserves a wretched life. That's how nature works.

[Cunninglinguist]

Nothing will convince the convinced, of that I am quite sure.

Guns will convince most people, then kill the rest.


Death is the end.

Ignoramus et Ignorabimus.

[jocky]

What is wrong with hate?? Critics who use a christian quality(love) to attack a christian god are morons. God loves the good ones and the strong ones. The unbeliever deserves a wretched life. That's how nature works.

Howdy Hyperbore, how refreshing to have an unbiased well thought out critique on the jungle and a thoroughly scientific view of the mechanics of the natural world. I have brought along someone who is totally in tune with your unarguable and thoroughly reasonable point of view:

He would speak for himself but it is well past his bedtime:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxk7B_CZzGg

[Griffith]

Those kids know more about religion than most posters here. Christian faith is degenerate nowdays. I feel sorry for this kind of ignorance. There are a great number of atheist fools and fake-christians. Priest Zangief is a good example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o776eZ2FMsg

[jocky]

Those kids know more about religion than most posters here. Christian faith is degenerate nowdays. I feel sorry for this kind of ignorance. There are a great number of atheist fools and fake-christians. Priest Zangief is a good example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o776eZ2FMsg

:lol:

You have to be careful, there are quite a number of degenerates out there and that includes most of the moderators. That Priest Zangief's name sounds familiar, has he ever frequented the Curmudgeons Arms ? If he has that might explain a lot.

[MarkBastable]

Those kids know more about religion than most posters here. Christian faith is degenerate nowdays. I feel sorry for this kind of ignorance.

Hi Griffith,

Degenerate in what sense?

You've also said in another thread that Kafka was degenerate (or, to quote you accurately, 'a degenerated moron (http://www.online-literature.com/forums/showthread.php?p=846639#post846639)') - so I was wondering whether these were two instances of the same degeneration, or separate and unrelated examples of different types of degeneration.

(Incidentally, I notice you visit here only once a year, like Santa Claus, so if I've missed getting your attention this trip, I'm happy to wait until you next come down the LitNet chimney.)

[Griffith]

The Christian faith is degenerate because almost Christians don't understand who really was Christ and they establish a commercial relationship with god. Take the pope for instance, this degenerate moron have been rejecting the entire history of the Catholic Church just to be politically correct. If i was the Emperor of Europe the first thing i would do is hang the traitor.
Kafka is degenerate just because he is an idiot without any talent. A overhyped jew. There are big differences here.

[WyattGwyon]

The Christian faith is degenerate because almost Christians don't understand who really was Christ and they establish a commercial relationship with god. Take the pope for instance, this degenerate moron have been rejecting the entire history of the Catholic Church just to be politically correct. If i was the Emperor of Europe the first thing i would do is hang the traitor.
Kafka is degenerate just because he is an idiot without any talent. A overhyped jew. There are big differences here.

Profound literary judgment too. I'm impressed.

[MarkBastable]

The Christian faith is degenerate because almost Christians don't understand who really was Christ and they establish a commercial relationship with god. Take the pope for instance, this degenerate moron have been rejecting the entire history of the Catholic Church just to be politically correct. If i was the Emperor of Europe the first thing i would do is hang the traitor.

Actually, the Catholic Church is probably less corrupt now than it has been for a thousand years. I mean, I'm anti-Roman (for reasons that have nothing at all do to with atheism), but everything that's come to the surface recently has been, though awful, only a fraction of what was institutionally awful in the establised church since before Chaucer.



Kafka is degenerate just because he is an idiot without any talent. A overhyped jew.

I'm not sure that degenerate means talentless. I mean, the word has to have some meaning we all agree on, and that's not it.

On the other hand, you can't fault Kafka's grammar and syntax, which is more than can be said for some gentiles who spring to mind.

[YesNo]

The Christian faith is degenerate because almost Christians don't understand who really was Christ and they establish a commercial relationship with god. Take the pope for instance, this degenerate moron have been rejecting the entire history of the Catholic Church just to be politically correct. If i was the Emperor of Europe the first thing i would do is hang the traitor.
Kafka is degenerate just because he is an idiot without any talent. A overhyped jew. There are big differences here.
It sounds anti-semitic to me.

Also all the "moron" talk is tedious.

[Scheherazade]

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[keilj]

"Jesus loves me. This I know
Because the Bible tells me so."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5nUUD8SM0Y

[The Ol' Man]

The ghost of Yeats resounds:


The Four Ages of Man - W.B. Yeats

He with body waged a fight,
But body won; it walks upright.

Then he struggled with his heart;
Innocence and peace depart.

Then he struggled with the mind;
His proud heart he left behind.

Now his wars on God begin;
At stroke of midnight God shall win.

[hellsapoppin]

Is God the ultimate bigot?

Damn, that's a good question. If the Bible is to be believed then the SOB sure as hell is the ultimate bigot. He does claim to be a jealous and vengeful god who ''visits iniquity upon the third and fourth generations'' of those who despise his wicked ways. Not a very forgiving or lovable bastard, is he?

[blazeofglory]

This is funny. Why God should hate anybody. Men hate in the name of God, fight and kill one another. Men created religions, Gods, heavens, and so many stories abounding around them and accuse Gods of hating to defend themselves. God is above and beyond all these trashes. Men are warring taking God to the front. This is really ridiculous.

This world is a really funny place to live in with a funny people inventing funny things and rendering them an air of funniness and reveling in them.

Gods are neutral and will be always in the background. Men keep themselves too much in the foreground and color up God with these things

[Freudian Monkey]

As long as we believe that Bible (or any other holy book of any religion) is divinely inspired, we have to believe that God is hating and vengeful.

[stephofthenight]

Show me where God hates and ill show you where God loves. The approprite question is why does God LOVE so much. I think you have serious context issues. As do most "religious people" they take a single verse out of a chapter and twist it to mean what they want it to. But seriously. give me examples of Gods "Hate" and I will show you his love in them.
-steph-

[hellsapoppin]

''Why God should hate anybody.''

''I hated Esau'' Malachi 1:3

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This ever benevolent [sic] god kills Canaanites in Joshua 6:


The city and and everything in it must be completely destroyed as an offering to the Lord. Only Rahab the prostitute and the others in her house will be spared, for she protected our spies.(Verse 17)

They completely destroyed everything in it - men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep, donkeys - everything. (Verse 21)

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And we all know it was he who 'hardened the heart of the Pharaoh' in order to justify killing his people.

[Theunderground]

Man at least eat the bloody livestock.

[ZTay]

Romans 12:2

This is why Christians are poor representatives of their faith; and why people in general are poor representatives of their species.

[cafolini]

The God you have is the God you'd like to be. The freaks of history figured you out and gave you exactly that and declared themselves your humble masters. Have fun.

[lavengro]

Death is the ultimate reward and the actual meaning of life. Our sole purpose for living is to die, get buried, and fertilllize the soil so some other life-form can grow.


Death is the end or beginning is yet to be explored. You cannot say what death is and your conclusion is based on what medical science has said and science is still in its infancy when it comes to explaining some of the profound truths.

Death is an unknown domain and you do not the zone you will visit after it.
Do not confuse yourself with the nonsense you have inherited in society through education or learning from your near and dear ones.

Go beyond these delimiting parameters to understand your limitless powers.

Death is the reason for Life, and the Ultimate Reward for living it. The sole purpose of Life is that we will die, get buried, and fertillize the soil so some other pointless life-form can grow in our stead. It is a cycle, to which Man, being relatively new, has no purpose or role to play except the destruction of other species. (and, if he's lucky, the entire planet.)

[Michael T]

Is God the ultimate bigot?

Apparently He/She's only been in this mood since The X-Factor started! :angelsad2:

[cafolini]

Who would be so dense as to claim that God does not exist? How is God not going to exist when it is absolutely obvious it does not occur in three dimensions. That would be the same as saying that the infinitude of two-dimensional imageries do not exist. You would not shake hands with something in three-dimensions and call it God. It would be insane. Anything that doesn't occur in three dimensions could be a God if anyone so disposes. You might think I'm making an atheist statement. Ridiculous. Where has theism been more abundant than in the imaginary two-dimensions of a turtle, a dragon, or anything sacred. Can people from earth be called Gods? Of course, so long as it's not Mr. Wilson, next door and, in particular, he's not watering the lawn and saying hello.

[Michael T]

Who would be so dense as to claim that God does not exist? How is God not going to exist when it is absolutely obvious it does not occur in three dimensions. That would be the same as saying that the infinitude of two-dimensional imageries do not exist. You would not shake hands with something in three-dimensions and call it God. It would be insane. Anything that doesn't occur in three dimensions could be a God if anyone so disposes. You might think I'm making an atheist statement. Ridiculous. Where has theism been more abundant than in the imaginary two-dimensions of a turtle, a dragon, or anything sacred. Can people from earth be called Gods? Of course, so long as it's not Mr. Wilson, next door and, in particular, he's not watering the lawn and saying hello.

Hmm... I'm not quite sure where you're going with this - but for a start it can't really be any more 'dense' to claim that a God doesn't exist than to claim that a God does exist can it? (Of course - I, like you, only have experience of a three dimentional world, whatever relevance that may have!) Care to expand?

[BlackCat]

Like the righteous man described by Plato, the closer is one with the form and perfection, the further one is to harmful and unholy things. Do you hate immorality? Do you despite injustice? Do you try to live apart from unethical acts? If you then, an imperfect being, can hate these things, then how more hatred would you think God has for those things assuming he's perfect?

[BlackCat]

Also this question might call for a literary analysis. What do "love" or "hate" mean? What causes the characters to think the decrees are divine? Were the commands made by God at all or were the people just used God as a justification? What do these characters and these events may reveal about the colorful characters of God?

This question might also requires various theological and philosophical dispositions, depending on what faith you belong to. Since we are in a literature forum let just stick with the literary stuff.