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MetaHamster
08-09-2011, 08:28 AM
Hey. These are the first works I've shared on this site, and the 1st and 3rd poems I've ever written. They are rather different, in both tone, and style. I hope you'll like them, and I will appreciate any advice you can give.

They are unnamed.

Oh, and to avoid any potential problems, I'd like to note that any opinions that appear in these poems are not necessarily my own.

The moon lulls us into slumber,
Ash and timber we let lie.
But though by oblivion humbled,
The woods permit a certain sigh

From a night black with purpose
Blooms a bud of yellow grey.
It shines as though malefic,
Filled with life be though it may

It soon grows and flowers,
In the way described by law,
Whilst in its wake we cower,
Hunched shadows against the snow.

It soon engulfs the entrenched
Denizens of the abyss, and
In molten jaws as though clenched
It disfigures the stars

Birch and willow kneel before it,
Their boughs are wreathed in fairy light.
Terror sparks a hundred heartbeats.
Creaking, we are all dressed in night.

Like a hungry beast it rushes,
Sparked by the ill of men and gods.
A revenge unmerited,
Executed upon this night


In the thousands that mingle, there can be seen
A purpose, perhaps the will of some glorious machine
That plows, that scours, and razes the land
That builds great things upon arid sand

Powerful senses driven by a razor-sharp mind
Seek math, truth, and knowledge; beauty refined
To build, and improve; to grow things, and fly;
But for others, to live without thought is to die

There are towers here, castles and spires;
All these are bastions to the analytical fires
But they belie the beating heart of it all,
The eternal question; the rational call.

For some spin words into crazed spirals,
While others might run a thousand miles.
Many have sprawling stories to tell,
But we are those who in knowledge revel.

We have no ranks; we claim no land, or concession
All we require is a grain of thought; a modicum of passion
To question first, second and third,
The things we all know, the things you’ve just heard.

hillwalker
08-09-2011, 09:29 AM
I can't see you having any problems regarding the opinions expressed in either poem as there aren't any.

The first appears to be describing the destruction of the world by some invisible force - something 'yellow grey' (possibly yellowcake? - which suggests a nuclear incident - or am I being to literal?).

You've included some vivid imagery - I especially liked the opening two lines - but then it's difficult to make sense of what is actually happening, as if you yourself weren't sure of the imagery involved -

'It soon grows and flowers
In the way described by law' I don't understand - do you mean the laws of Nature?

'molten jaws' I cannot picture at all

and why are we '...all dressed in night'?

It left too many unanswered questions for me to feel I'd gained much from reading it. But with a little toning down, and less muddled thinking, you show some promise.

Like many new posters on here you've gone and chained yourself to a rhyme scheme that can sometimes be a hindrance. To be fair, in the first poem you have handled it well except for the line

'Filled with life be though it may' which is trying to stand on its head grammatically, but failing.

And that's why the second poem does not work nearly as well because rhyme has taken over at the expense of clear expression. I cannot make very much sense of it - and it's not particularly pleasing to read because it is weighed down with so many cumbersome phrases. It's making a lot of noise but ends up saying not very much.

You would do well to read as widely as you can - the poems on this site are as good a place as any to discover what works and what fails. It's always less painful to learn through others' mistakes.

Good luck

H

PS - titles give the reader some clue what to expect - or suggest the topic or tone of the poem - so my advice, always try to come up with one.

everyadventure
08-09-2011, 11:33 AM
You know, I could have predicted what ol' Hillwalker would have told you, word for word ;) He's always saying that--- he's right, of course, but don't feel like he's picking on you.

The second poem was best, it was clearest in tone and theme. (I'm assuming the first one was simply about sunrise, but the tone kept wavering between peaceful and terrifying, for no discernible reason.) The second one-- which NEEDS a title, poems need titles-- had a good theme and was an interesting read. The fourth stanza adds nothing new, and could probably be cut. And the last line could lose the words "all" and "just," which weaken the power of the statement.

You have some really great lines (the third stanza was particularly strong) and I think you'll make a fine poet with practice. My one piece of advice would be to get rid of any words that don't propel the poem forward.

Welcome to LitNet!

hillwalker
08-09-2011, 11:53 AM
Gosh, ea. I think you're right about the first poem's topic - and I thought I was the only one on here who could read between the lines.

It makes more sense when you shine a little more light on it - but I still prefer it to the second one.

H

everyadventure
08-09-2011, 12:26 PM
Gosh, ea. I think you're right about the first poem's topic - and I thought I was the only one on here who could read between the lines.

It makes more sense when you shine a little more light on it - but I still prefer it to the second one.

H

Do I detect a note of sarcasm here? ;)

MetaHamster
08-09-2011, 03:58 PM
Thanks for the criticisms and the suggestions.

hillwalker, while I certainly did have a very concrete image or concept to convey in both poems, it seems that I've failed to convey it to my audience, instead describing it so cryptically that none except those already familiar with it could understand.

I'll try to make sure my next poems are more comprehensible. I'll also try to think up titles for these poems, though I've tried before, without success.

The following two google docs documents explain the poems, line-by-line or stanza-by-stanza, if you're curious. (it seemed counter-productive to post all this information, when some people might not really want to know.)

Poem 1 (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FOfP4EV7O3BESZlvJ1xDdWjhsgpbF9KZaxzncHy5Kz8/edit?hl=en_US)

Poem 2 (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LufNHSuRo0fpjn-moI62I9sUkYU7dD1GAqjawwCpFDE/edit?hl=en_US)

If anyone cares to bother, I'd very much like to hear suggestions after reading the explanations above. That way, at least my meaning is understood.

By the way, everyadventure, I have to say your interpretation of the 1st poem is quite fitting, and many, though not all, of the lines come together very nicely.