Tolerance is Indifference

[G L Wilson]

Tolerance is not a matter of respecting the views of others, it is a matter of coming to realise that they're never going to change. Where hope lies, intolerance lies also. It is the nature of the beast.

[Emil Miller]

Tolerance is not a matter of respecting the views of others, it is a matter of coming to realise that they're never going to change. Where hope lies, intolerance lies also. It is the nature of the beast.

I can hear the distant sound of a padlock being opened.

[G L Wilson]

I can hear the distant sound of a padlock being opened.

Hope is the beast.

[cl154576]

Hope is the beast.

Then it is wrong to hope, always?

[Red-Headed]

There have been quite a few debates around multiculturalism based on this very issue. At the very best, I suppose you can always ignore other's points of view, even if you vehemently disagree with them.

[G L Wilson]

Then it is wrong to hope, always?

Camus thought so, I don't think like Camus.

[Arrowni]

Tolerance is to empathy what respect is to love.

[Serena03]

More like tolerance is to acquiescence as trust is to a frenemy. It's knowing you can still maintain friendly relations with latent rejection and disdain.

[LitNetIsGreat]

That's a good one. Yes I agree we should all be tolerant of other cultures, races, sexes, religions etc, etc, glad that you think so. Good on you for supporting that. (Irony)

[G L Wilson]

More like tolerance is to acquiescence as trust is to a frenemy. It's knowing you can still maintain friendly relations with latent rejection and disdain.

It sounds like an unhappy marriage to me.

[Paulclem]

Tolerance isn't indifference. Neither is it the "we're all the same really" attitude you someties get at interfaith meetings. It's an acceptance that you will disagree on some aspects, and it not matter to normal human relations.

There are lots of things we will disagree on - vegetarianism, religion, some form of politics. Why should that mean that we can't get on? None of them are overtly harmful to a person unes pushed to an extreme.

We should be intolerant of intolerance though.

[Delta40]

tolerance is a peaceful acknowledgement of diversity. From one fellow Aussie to another GL the bigotry and racism in this country is shameful when put against the backdrop of human rights. tolerance comes through compromise between parties and Aussies suck at it big time - possibly due to the insular society we live in. Perth is the most isolated city in the world. In the 50's & 60's Aussies marched against 'wogs'. In the 70's they targeted 'poms'. In the 80's & 90's it was Asians out and now in the 21st century it's muslims. In the meantime, the government sends in the military to remote Indigenous communities and Social Security replaces cash payments with food vouchers etc to those living there while 'true blue' Aussies drink, beat and molest their own kids quite freely. Even the UN is repulsed by our actions. So if nothing else, you're like most people on your street but it does not make you right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Territory_National_Emergency_Response

[G L Wilson]

tolerance is a peaceful acknowledgement of diversity. From one fellow Aussie to another GL the bigotry and racism in this country is shameful when put against the backdrop of human rights. tolerance comes through compromise between parties and Aussies suck at it big time - possibly due to the insular society we live in. Perth is the most isolated city in the world. In the 50's & 60's Aussies marched against 'wogs'. In the 70's they targeted 'poms'. In the 80's & 90's it was Asians out and now in the 21st century it's muslims. In the meantime, the government sends in the military to remote Indigenous communities and Social Security replaces cash payments with food vouchers etc to those living there while 'true blue' Aussies drink, beat and molest their own kids quite freely. Even the UN is repulsed by our actions. So if nothing else, you're like most people on your street but it does not make you right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Territory_National_Emergency_Response

If I have given my support in any way to that kind of hatred, I hate myself even more.

[Delta40]

If I have given my support in any way to that kind of hatred, I hate myself even more.

Man you really do need a hug! Hate yourself more than what?

[G L Wilson]

Man you really do need a hug! Hate yourself more than what?

The world.

[cl154576]

We should be intolerant of intolerance though.

Sometimes intolerance serves a function; we cannot, for instance, allow ourselves to tolerate murder or rape.


If I have given my support in any way to that kind of hatred, I hate myself even more.

Don't hate yourself – you're a very interesting person.

[G L Wilson]

Sometimes intolerance serves a function; we cannot, for instance, allow ourselves to tolerate murder or rape.

Don't hate yourself – you're a very interesting person.

Thanks, cl154576, but there is not enough love in the world for me. I crave it, you see?

[cl154576]

Thanks, cl154576, but there is not enough love in the world for me. I crave it, you see?

I think we all do, on some level.
To find love, one must love first.

It's hard living without a perfect God to fill us with all his perfect love, isn't it?

[G L Wilson]

I think we all do, on some level.
To find love, one must love first.

It's hard living without a perfect God to fill us with all his perfect love, isn't it?

It sure is but worth every moment.

[Serena03]

Tolerance as I have seen it, appears to have too many boundaries and standards. For instance, most people's way of 'tolerance' towards homosexuals is for condemning it behind closed doors while heterosexuals get to freely display their relationships or a Christian with latent discomfort who lives with a Muslim while secretly thinking that their beliefs are stupid or evil.

It's a disingenuous word which is often misleading and should carefully be considered before being tossed around, it's not necessarily a term for parity, but of reluctant acceptance. Other times it could mean graceful respect for another one's lifestyle/culture, but if this is the case, I wouldn't use the term, I would simply say it's appreciated or admired even though it doesn't personally suit me. In a marriage built on 'tolerance,' I would personally rather live alone than to be with someone who couldn't stand me. I tend to hold honesty up with much higher grace.

[Arrowni]

Tolerance is probably more of an step than an end, a way of interacting with people more than a conviction.

I've noticing how this happens to be negative from several points of view, we can be tolerant to crime and corruption, which is bad, but being tolerant to other cultures is described as a half sincere attempt of hiding our disdain and frustration towards him. Apparently, the tolerant always lose every battle.

[Gladys]

I tend to hold honesty up with much higher grace.

Tolerance today is a lukewarm word: neither hot nor cold, it's a socially acceptable mask.

[SleepyWitch]

It's a disingenuous word which is often misleading and should carefully be considered before being tossed around, it's not necessarily a term for parity, but of reluctant acceptance. Other times it could mean graceful respect for another one's lifestyle/culture, but if this is the case, I wouldn't use the term, I would simply say it's appreciated or admired even though it doesn't personally suit me.

I think you're on to something there. Goethe or someone said, what we need isn't tolerance but acceptance. I suppose it depends on what people mean by it, but 'literally' to tolerate means to put up with something or bear something. This has a more negative connotation than to accept, as in you put up with it although you don't really like it. That raises the question as to why we should put up with something that we secretely disapprove of.

[BienvenuJDC]

I think you're on to something there. Goethe or someone said, what we need isn't tolerance but acceptance. I suppose it depends on what people mean by it, but 'literally' to tolerate means to put up with something or bear something. This has a more negative connotation than to accept, as in you put up with it although you don't really like it. That raises the question as to why we should put up with something that we secretely disapprove of.

That last part is the real question. Why should I have to be forced to accept something that I disapprove of? It seems that there are some people that treat "tolerance" as a one way street. It seems that the liberal atheistic groups demand that everyone accepts their viewpoint without question, but most of them are, even to the point of being antagonistic, abrasive toward conservative Christian beliefs. There are intolerant people on every side, but for anyone to ask for tolerance in one breath, and bash another viewpoint in the next is HYPOCRITICAL.

[Paulclem]

Sometimes intolerance serves a function; we cannot, for instance, allow ourselves to tolerate murder or rape.



That's not the sense I was using it in. I don't think of crime in terms of tolerance, but of the law. I think might use it in terms of tolerating something that was not a crime, but I was using it about culture, religion and general difference.

Of course you couldn't read my mind though.
:biggrin5:

[G L Wilson]

That's not the sense I was using it in. I don't think of crime in terms of tolerance, but of the law. I think might use it in terms of tolerating something that was not a crime, but I was using it about culture, religion and general difference.

Of course you couldn't read my mind though.
:biggrin5:

When thought becomes a crime, we'll all be one with Christ.

[Paulclem]

Relevance? Or are you joshing me.:biggrin5:

[Dodo25]

Too much tolerance is immoral.

One should definitely tolerate, or better, 'respect', people, and one should grant them the right to believe the things (i.e. about politics, ethics or religion) they believe. But that does NOT mean that we have to grant that all views are equally valid, equally beneficial to society / sentient creatures, or equally true. This is not the case. And it also does NOT mean that we should let people ACT based on their beliefs if the acts cause harm. It is crucial to distinguish those levels.

I will not tolerate female genital mutilation being done to children that cannot yet choose for themselves, no matter what cultural background the parents were raised in.

Recently I read an article where someone criticized the Islamic practice of halal meat, because it causes unnecessary suffering to the animals. And what happened? People got mad at the person for pointing this out, and some remarks were close to calling the person bigoted. Something clearly went wrong if it is unacceptable to bring forward valid criticism.

I don't think I'm saying anything controversial here, but somethings people make me feel I am. I'm all for 'multiculturalism', at least in the way I understand it. I'm just against unnecessary suffering, and that has priority.

[Varenne Rodin]

Too much tolerance is immoral.

One should definitely tolerate, or better, 'respect', people, and one should grant them the right to believe the things (i.e. about politics, ethics or religion) they believe. But that does NOT mean that we have to grant that all views are equally valid, equally beneficial to society / sentient creatures, or equally true. This is not the case. And it also does NOT mean that we should let people ACT based on their beliefs if the acts cause harm. It is crucial to distinguish those levels.

I will not tolerate female genital mutilation being done to children that cannot yet choose for themselves, no matter what cultural background the parents were raised in.

Recently I read an article where someone criticized the Islamic practice of halal meat, because it causes unnecessary suffering to the animals. And what happened? People got mad at the person for pointing this out, and some remarks were close to calling the person bigoted. Something clearly went wrong if it is unacceptable to bring forward valid criticism.

I don't think I'm saying anything controversial here, but somethings people make me feel I am. I'm all for 'multiculturalism', at least in the way I understand it. I'm just against unnecessary suffering, and that has priority.

I couldn't have said it better. Well stated, Dodo.

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

I agree, very well said, Dodo.

As Red-Headed would say, sometimes you just need to mind your own business (even if that is a ridiculous notion on a public forum).

[Nightshade]

To me tolerance is a kind of acceptance, you might not like it but you need to accept that everyone has the right to believe and as long as they hurt nobody act however they please. Afterall I am sure someone objects to your lifestyle choices. :)

[cl154576]

To me tolerance is a kind of acceptance, you might not like it but you need to accept that everyone has the right to believe and as long as they hurt nobody act however they please. Afterall I am sure someone objects to your lifestyle choices. :)

But there are still places to disagree in the absence of violence – law and education, for instance.

[Delta40]

I think Dodo said it all really. While tolerance involves compromise, so often that compromise is merely one sided. A host country which embraces and condones the cultural practices that are otherwise considered an atrocity is certainly indifferent, as is the family that snubs its nose at an entire culture it has come to dwell among. However, I also don't suppose it's simply a matter of 'when in Rome, do as the Romans do' either. I do think exposure, knowledge and teaching kids in schools effects a change in social attitudes - but this may take generations too. Italian/Australians from the 50's are very different from Italian/Australians today so I believe that starting life in another country takes time to adapt and the host country should make an effort to integrate diverse beliefs within the moral and legal bounds of the law. Other than that, I'm stuck for answers.

[davidhutchens]

INTOLERANCE is IGNORANCE... PERIOD

[Panglossian]

Is being "intolerant of intolerance" intolerance?

[Paulclem]

Is being "intolerant of intolerance" intolerance?

Two negatives make a positive - it encourages tolerance.:biggrin5:

[Ecurb]

"I won't tolerate certain behaviors in myself: rape, murder, and eating nothing but cotton candy." -- Is this "ignorance... period"?